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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:32 PM

25 Man Roster 


What do you guys think it will look like to open the season?

C - Santana

1B - Reynolds
2B - Kipnis
3B - Chisenhall
SS - Cabrera
LF - Brantley
CF - Stubbs
RF - Swisher
DH - McGuiness/Gomes?

Bench - Marson, Aviles, Raburn & Francisco

SP1 - Masterson eek
SP2 - Ubaldo eek
SP3 - Myers
SP4 - McAllister
SP5 - Carrasco/Bauer/Tomlin

RHP: Smith, Albers, Shaw
LHP: Kazmir, Hagadone
SU: Pestano
CL: Perez

Other BP Options: Allen, Barnes, Herrmann, Huff, Kluber, Lee, Wood and loser/s of 5th spot.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:58 PM

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GradysBaby13 wrote: What do you guys think it will look like to open the season?

C - Santana

1B - Reynolds
2B - Kipnis
3B - Chisenhall
SS - Cabrera
LF - Brantley
CF - Stubbs
RF - Swisher
DH - McGuiness/Gomes?

Bench - Marson, Aviles, Raburn & Francisco

SP1 - Masterson eek
SP2 - Ubaldo eek
SP3 - Myers
SP4 - McAllister
SP5 - Carrasco/Bauer/Tomlin

RHP: Smith, Albers, Shaw
LHP: Kazmir, Hagadone
SU: Pestano
CL: Perez

Other BP Options: Allen, Barnes, Herrmann, Huff, Kluber, Lee, Wood and loser/s of 5th spot.





 Line up looks good, but I would be surprised if McGuiness stay's on the 40 man... I think cleveland will work out a deal and keep McGuiness and he will start in AAA.... Kazmir will either start at AAA or be released!!! I would put Allen in the mix for a bullpen spot! I think the front office is still looking for a DH, but it will be a cheap option... Gomes will be on the roster and get decent playing time along with Aviles... I wouldn't count of Tomlin playing in 2013!!!
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:14 AM

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C - Santana
1B - Reynolds
2B - Kipnis
3B - Chisenhall
SS - Cabrera
LF - Brantley
CF - Stubbs
RF - Swisher
DH - McGuiness

Bench - Marson, Aviles, Carrera (out of options), Gomes

SP1 - Masterson 
SP2 - Ubaldo 
SP3 - Myers
SP4 - McAllister
SP5 - Huff (out of options, moves to long man once Carrasco/Bauer are "ready")

RHP: Allen, Smith, Albers, Shaw
LHP: Hagadone
SU: Pestano
CL: Perez

I honestly do not see a way that Allen doesn't make the opening day roster. He's probably the third best reliever out of this group.

Last edited 1/23/2013 1:37 AM by skydancing

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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:33 AM

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Here's my take:

Catchers: Santana and Marson
Infielders: Reynolds, Kipnis, Cabrera, Chisenhall, Aviles, Gomes
Outfielders: Brantley, Stubbs, Swisher, Rayburn

Starting Pitchers: Masterson, Jimenez, Myers, McAllister, Bauer
Relief Pitchers: Perez, Pestano, Smith, Albers, Shaw, Hagadone, Allen, Huff

This is assuming the Indians make no more moves of course.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 3:17 AM

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BrianBell wrote: Here's my take:

Catchers: Santana and Marson
Infielders: Reynolds, Kipnis, Cabrera, Chisenhall, Aviles, Gomes
Outfielders: Brantley, Stubbs, Swisher, Rayburn

Starting Pitchers: Masterson, Jimenez, Myers, McAllister, Bauer
Relief Pitchers: Perez, Pestano, Smith, Albers, Shaw, Hagadone, Allen, Huff

This is assuming the Indians make no more moves of course.

It's highly unlikely they'll carry just a three man bench. If Huff is your long man (which you wouldn't need if you have an 8 man pen in your scenario) then that means that Allen or Shaw most likely opens in AAA.

Seeing how the Indians have operated over the past 10 years it is hard to imagine McGuiness, Huff and Carrera not making this team. Only for the reason that they would then be exposed to waivers (Huff and Carrera) or offered back to their original team (McGuiness) The Tribe FO seems to be in the mindset of controlling their assets (players with no options) and not just cutting ties with them.

It is tough to see a situation where McGuiness doesn't break camp with the team. They wouldn't have picked him up via Rule 5 had they not believed it was probable.

I think that dumping Gomez to Pittsburgh only points to Huff making the 25 man out of camp and the fact that Carrera has shown much better discipline in the winter league and the fact that he is a good outfielder with some speed also points to him being a sound candidate to be the 4th outfielder.

Fedroff, Francisco and Raburn are all able to start the year in AAA with no loss to the organization. One of them would have to really play outstanding in Goodyear and Carrera fall flat on his face to make the team imo.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:18 AM

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i like both carrera and huff to make the 25-man. i don't see mcguinness as a lock at all - if he can't make the roster but they still like him, easy enough to work out a trade and then send him to AAA.

i still don't think carrasco starts the season in the majors.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:14 AM

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skydancing wrote:

It's highly unlikely they'll carry just a three man bench. If Huff is your long man (which you wouldn't need if you have an 8 man pen in your scenario) then that means that Allen or Shaw most likely opens in AAA.

Seeing how the Indians have operated over the past 10 years it is hard to imagine McGuiness, Huff and Carrera not making this team. Only for the reason that they would then be exposed to waivers (Huff and Carrera) or offered back to their original team (McGuiness) The Tribe FO seems to be in the mindset of controlling their assets (players with no options) and not just cutting ties with them.

It is tough to see a situation where McGuiness doesn't break camp with the team. They wouldn't have picked him up via Rule 5 had they not believed it was probable.

I think that dumping Gomez to Pittsburgh only points to Huff making the 25 man out of camp and the fact that Carrera has shown much better discipline in the winter league and the fact that he is a good outfielder with some speed also points to him being a sound candidate to be the 4th outfielder.

Fedroff, Francisco and Raburn are all able to start the year in AAA with no loss to the organization. One of them would have to really play outstanding in Goodyear and Carrera fall flat on his face to make the team imo.

My thought process when putting my roster together was real simple.  The Indians only have 2 days off in April.  Opening Day is April 2nd and the Indians don't get an off day until the 15th.  Given that starting pitchers normally work on some sort of pitch count to start the year and the fact that the Indians play 13 straight days to start the season, my logic is that a 13th pitcher is likely to be more valuable to them than a 13th hitter, hence the reason I opted to go with an 8-man bullpen.  With the flexibility of Gomes, Aviles and Raburn being able to play multiple positions, it allows for some of the regular fielders to get a day off from playing in the field by sticking them at DH.  You keep the bat of the regular player in the lineup, but freshen him up by only making him come to bat 3-4 times as opposed to running around the field as well.  While my bench may not be deep, it is a very flexible one. 

On the flip side of the coin, if the starting pitchers are on a pitch count and can only reach the 6th inning or maybe the 7th in a best case scenario, the bullpen is going to get worn out quick if you're using 2 or 3 guys every game with virtually no time off in between games.

Again my roster was just my 2 cents on the subject.  Honestly I don't think there's a right or wrong in this case, just a matter of opinion.  IMO with such a heavy schedule to start the year, it would be a wiser move on the Indians part to carry an extra pitcher and carry bench hitters that can field multiple positions.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:31 AM

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The Indians will likely have games cancelled, and can always bring in bullpen reinforcements on a moment's notice.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:48 AM

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According to everything I have heard including the interviews with Antonetti / Shappy & Francona when asked recently they all have said they look for Carrasco to be ready barring a set back during Spring Training.

I think they want to take one more look at Huff but in the end I can see them cutting him loose if Kazmir shows any sign in Spring Training of being able to help this club in 2013. The only way I see Huff in the bullpen is if Hagadone get traded or suffers a injury in Spring Training. 

1 other thing that no one has not been brought up they very well could carry a extra relief pitcher if they decide to go with Gomes as a replacement to Marson this will also play into Carrasco & Huffs favor if this would happen Gomes is very Flexible but his best position is Carcher and Antonetti said they view him primarily as a back up catcher that can if need be play other positions.

Someone has said that Carrera was out of options in another post he is not out of option he debuted in the majors on May the 11th 2011 Arby Eli 2016 Free Agent 2019. Zeek will start the season at AAA Columbus and barring injury may be there until the rosters expanded.

BTW to the Fedroff lovers the guy has no shot anytime in the near future JMHO.

According to Bruce Drennen he has heard the Indians since claiming McGuiness they have tried to work a deal out with Texas for him but at this point he was told the asking price was too high.
buddy34 wrote: i like both carrera and huff to make the 25-man. i don't see mcguinness as a lock at all - if he can't make the roster but they still like him, easy enough to work out a trade and then send him to AAA.

i still don't think carrasco starts the season in the majors.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:11 PM

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I don't see how Carerra is not possibly out of options. He was placed on the 40 man of the Mariners before we got him, which was in 2010. That means he was optioned in 2010, 2011, and 2012. That is three options.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:23 PM

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If he spent 20 days in the minors after being placed on Mariners roster in 2010 then I guess he is out of options.

I had thought you actually had to be on the major league roster to lose a option but that appears to not be the case.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball _transactions


  • Once a player has been placed on a team's 40-man roster, a team has 3 option years on that player.
    • A player is considered to have used one of those three option years when he spends at least 20 days in the minors in any of those 3 seasons.
  • A team may have a fourth option year on a player with less than five full seasons of professional experience, provided that both conditions are met below.
    1. A player has not spent at least 90 days on an active professional roster in a season. Minor leagues that play below Class A Advanced have seasons that are shorter than 90 days, and as such, any player who spends a full season in a rookie or Class A (short-season) league will receive a fourth option year.
    2. A player has not spent at least 60 days on an active professional roster AND then at least 30 days on a disabled list in a season. Only after 60 days have been spent on an active professional roster does time spent on the disabled list count towards the 90-day threshold. As with the prior example, this cannot occur with players who spend a full season in a rookie or Class A (short season) league.

Once all of the options have been used up on a player, a player is considered "out of options" and a player must be placed on and clear waivers prior to being sent down to the minor leagues (there is also the "veterans' consent" rule; see below). Additionally, three years after the date of a player’s first appearance on a major-league roster, he must clear optional waivers (which are revocable) to be optioned even if he has options remaining.[9]




MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: I don't see how Carerra is not possibly out of options. He was placed on the 40 man of the Mariners before we got him, which was in 2010. That means he was optioned in 2010, 2011, and 2012. That is three options.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 3:31 PM

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I'm not sure about this but doesn't Carrasco still have a 5 game suspension that he has to serve from his last start in 2011? The last I knew he had yet to serve that.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 3:55 PM

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mstribe wrote: I'm not sure about this but doesn't Carrasco still have a 5 game suspension that he has to serve from his last start in 2011? The last I knew he had yet to serve that.
Other then it being a six game suspension you are correct.

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Since it presumably it will be at the start of the season the Tribe can probably go with a four man rotation skipping him once while he remains down in Arizona (assuming, of course, he makes it into the starting rotation).
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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:28 PM

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Lineup:
Brantley, LF
Cabrera, SS
Kipnis, 2B
Santana, C
Swisher, RF
Reynolds, 1B
Thome/Francisco, DH
Chisenhall, 3B
Stubbs, CF

Bench:
Marson, BC
Aviles, Util
Francisco/Thome, DH Platoon
Hermida, 4OF

Rotation:
RHP - Masterson
RHP - Myers
RHP - Ubaldo
LHP - Kazmir
RHP - Carrasco

Bullpen:
Joe Smith, Scott Albers, Bryan Shaw, Matt Capps, Nick Hagadone, Vinnie Pestano, Chris Perez.

Other:
McAllister opens in Colombus as 6th starter.  Trevor Bauer comes up as soon as his super 2 status is over.  Tomlin comes back after midseason.  Next in line with bullpen depth Cody Allen, Scott Barnes, Frank Herrmann, David Huff, Corey Kluber, Chen Lee, Blake Wood.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:31 AM

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Calling a Thome/Francisco platoon at DH is pretty bold. Guessing that either player will fill the role is kind of bold at this point.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:12 AM

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and that lineup would require adding 5 guys to the 40-man roster. ain't gonna happen.
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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:24 AM

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Can Tomlin and Lee be back so soon?

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--- GradysBaby13 wrote:

Lineup:
Brantley, LF
Cabrera, SS
Kipnis, 2B
Santana, C
Swisher, RF
Reynolds, 1B
Thome/Francisco, DH
Chisenhall, 3B
Stubbs, CF

Bench:
Marson, BC
Aviles, Util
Francisco/Thome, DH Platoon
Hermida, 4OF

Rotation:
RHP - Masterson
RHP - Myers
RHP - Ubaldo
LHP - Kazmir
RHP - Carrasco

Bullpen:
Joe Smith, Scott Albers, Bryan Shaw, Matt Capps, Nick Hagadone, Vinnie Pestano, Chris Perez.

Other:
McAllister opens in Colombus as 6th starter.  Trevor Bauer comes up as soon as his super 2 status is over.  Tomlin comes back after midseason.  Next in line with bullpen depth Cody Allen, Scott Barnes, Frank Herrmann, David Huff, Corey Kluber, Chen Lee, Blake Wood.

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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:58 AM

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Frenchie1 wrote:
Can Tomlin and Lee be back so soon?

Tomlin is expected to miss most, if not all, of 2013 while recovering from reconstructive surgery on his right elbow.

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Lee missed most of 2012 while recovering from Tommy John surgery, but he's flashed plenty of promise in the past. The 26-year-old should be fully recovered around midseason in 2013 but probably won't be big league-ready until 2014.

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Posted: 2/5/2013 3:56 PM

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GradysBaby13 wrote: Lineup:
Brantley, LF
Cabrera, SS
Kipnis, 2B
Santana, C
Swisher, RF
Reynolds, 1B
Thome/Francisco, DH
Chisenhall, 3B
Stubbs, CF

Bench:
Marson, BC
Aviles, Util
Francisco/Thome, DH Platoon
Hermida, 4OF

Rotation:
RHP - Masterson
RHP - Myers
RHP - Ubaldo
LHP - Kazmir
RHP - Carrasco

Bullpen:
Joe Smith, Scott Albers, Bryan Shaw, Matt Capps, Nick Hagadone, Vinnie Pestano, Chris Perez.

Other:
McAllister opens in Colombus as 6th starter.  Trevor Bauer comes up as soon as his super 2 status is over.  Tomlin comes back after midseason.  Next in line with bullpen depth Cody Allen, Scott Barnes, Frank Herrmann, David Huff, Corey Kluber, Chen Lee, Blake Wood.
What's wrong with this 25-man roster??? Only 1 left handed pitcher.  bangheadbangheadbanghead
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Posted: 2/5/2013 4:20 PM

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C: Santana
1B: Reynolds
2B: Kipnis
SS: Asdrubal
3B: Chisenhall (a platoon with him and Aviles will do great)
LF: Stubbs
CF: Brantley
RF: Swisher
DH: McGuiness (believe he and Raburn, maybe Gomes will platoon here)

Bench:

Mike Aviles
Yan Gomes
Lou Marson
Ryan Raburn

Starters:

Masterson
Ubaldo
Myers
McAllister
Bauer/Carrasco/Kluber/Kazmir

Bullpen:

C. Perez
Pestano
Smith
Shaw
Allen
Barnes or Hagadone
Huff
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