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Indians Ink All-Time Tribe Team: RF

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Posted: 1/17/2013 4:18 PM

Indians Ink All-Time Tribe Team: RF 


As some of you may recall, last year, I started a thread, "All-Time Tribe Team." I posted my roster and many others responded with their own version. This year, I have an idea for a similar thread, but with different rules:


I'll post a poll weekly asking for your vote of who you'd like to see on your all-time Tribe team. The leading vote-getter in each category will win his respective role on the team. 


Here's how the roster will be compiled: Players that have already been voted in are in italics

Starters:

Sandy Alomar 
1B Jim Thome
2B Nap Lajoie
3B Al Rosen
SS Lou Boudreau
LF
CF
RF 
DH

- Note: The DH can be anybody, not just an exclusive DH. However, maybe keep in mind that some players don't hit as well without the rhythm of playing the field.

Bench:
4OF
C
IF

Starting Rotation:
SP1
SP2
SP3
SP4
SP5

BullPen:
LHP
LHP
RHP
RHP
P
SU
CL

- Note: The criteria for the pitching staff is as follows: 
      - The starting pitchers can be anyone, regardless of dominant hand. So we could have five southpaws or a 3/2 split. No limit there.
      - As for the 'pen, the closer must have been a closer when he pitched, and the setup man can be anyone who was used predominantly in the bullpen. The other five members of the 'pen can be former starters or relievers. In other words, we could have both CC Sabathia and Raffy Betancourt in the pen. But CC could not be the SU or CL.


That puts us at a 24-player roster. The 25th will be your choice of position player or pitcher, and will be voted upon last.


Criteria for Voting
A player will be judged based solely on what he did for the tribe. So, even though Eddie Murray hit 500+ career HRs, he only hit 50 for the Tribe, thus not a great candidate for a spot. On the other hand, a guy like Mel Harder gets bonus points for his longevity with Cleveland.
Also, feel free to write in a vote if your guy isn't an option.


Let me know what you think! I'll try to post a poll once every five days or so, give us a way to pass the time until opening day. When the last poll is completed, I'll post a composite list of the roster, and we could discuss lineups, matchups, etc.

(The above message will be re-posted in its entirety in every poll)



Sweet baby Lou edges Omar at SS.

For Right Field (and every OF position), I am going to nominate (in my opinion) the ten best outfielders, regardless of position, in Tribe history. 

Just try to regard how each player would fare at a given position when voting. For example, Albert Belle probably isn't the best candidate to play Center Field.

Also, if you think, say, Earl Averill needs to be a starter, but you'd rather see him in Left, wait until that poll comes around to vote for him.

Sorry about my recent slacking. Looks like I've pulled landscaping duty.


    Who is your starting right-fielder?

  1. Poll closed on 01/24/2013
  2. Earl Averill: 1 vote
  3. Albert Belle: 4 votes
  4. Rocky Colavito: 16 votes
  5. Larry Doby: 2 votes
  6. Elmer Flick: 0 votes
  7. Joe Jackson: 0 votes
  8. Charlie Jamieson: 0 votes
  9. Kenny Lofton: 0 votes
  10. Manny Ramirez: 16 votes
  11. Tris Speaker: 4 votes

Last edited 1/17/2013 4:31 PM by mooseahoy

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Posted: 1/17/2013 4:25 PM

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Wow that was really tough, went with Rocky but passing on Manny, Albert and Earl were really difficult.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 4:30 PM

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Yeah this one is nearly impossible to decide. Tris is clearly the best player of the bunch, but seeing as though he's considered one of the all-time great center-fielders, I'll hold my vote for him until then.

I haven't voted yet, but I hope people take a look at Elmer Flick. Maybe the most underrated player in Indians history
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Posted: 1/17/2013 5:15 PM

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Actually this was a slam dunk, The Rock, was baseball!

Manny or Belle could be a dh .... each also played in left the land of averill 

Man we have had some great outfielders .. you are right about flick and with a little more research you could have split them across the 3 positions



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Posted: 1/17/2013 5:20 PM

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And it just dawned on me no Larry Doby ..... wow rolleyes
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Posted: 1/17/2013 5:38 PM

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most of these guys played CF, so it seems odd to vote for them as a RF.

among those who were regarded as RF, flick was the best. he's in the HOF (though through veterans committee) and had 9 good to great seasons for the indians. manny only played 6 full seasons in cleveland.

speaker's the choice in CF, though doby and averill both were also very impressive.

leftfield would be belle, even though he only played 6 full seasons in cleveland.

if you want the three top OF:
1) speaker
2) averill
3) doby
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Posted: 1/17/2013 6:01 PM

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buddy34 wrote: most of these guys played CF, so it seems odd to vote for them as a RF.

among those who were regarded as RF, flick was the best. he's in the HOF (though through veterans committee) and had 9 good to great seasons for the indians. manny only played 6 full seasons in cleveland.

speaker's the choice in CF, though doby and averill both were also very impressive.

leftfield would be belle, even though he only played 6 full seasons in cleveland.

if you want the three top OF:
1) speaker
2) averill
3) doby
Yeah things get tricky in the OF. I include Averill, Doby, etc. because there can only be one center-fielder, and I'm sure many on this board (probably myself included, once I vote) would like to see one of the CFs move over to a corner.

So, like I said, it's up to each voter's discretion if he wants to move a player out of his normal position.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 6:31 PM

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Personally I think you should have set the criteria to the 3 best OF's.  Since the voting is for RF, I can't in good conscience vote for guys who spent most of their career playing elsewhere, so that eliminates Averil, Belle, Doby, Lofton.  In terms of RF's that leaves Colavito and Manny as the 2 of note.  While Colavito spent more years in Cleveland, Manny blows his number out of the water in 2 fewer years.  Yes Manny used PED's, but that was later in his career and I firmly believe it was only to prolong his career, so I believe his Indians numbers are legit.  With that said, I have to vote for Manny because this vote is for right field and Manny is the best guy who played right field for this team.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:05 PM

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Let me just add this.. We are building a hypothetical team, and on a team, you need a right-fielder. I'm asking the board who they think would be the best candidate to play right field.

If you can't vote for an Earl Averill to play right, then don't. Great players are getting left off the team. Joe Sewell, Roberto Alomar, and Omar Vizquel haven't earned a spot, whereas Al Rosen and Sandy Alomar have. The former three had better careers than the latter two but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

But, maybe you think a Larry Doby could move over to the corner, and your main goal is to put the best players out there. Go for it. I think that's the boat I'm in.

Either way, it's your call.

Last edited 1/17/2013 10:06 PM by mooseahoy

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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:05 PM

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I tend to agree, this competition is really between Rock and Manny since most of the others played center or left.

I went Manny cause he's the best RF in Tribe history

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Oops....I always assumed cause of his speed Flick played center, turns out he was a Right Fielder...alright so this is between Flick, Manny and Rock

Flick was a horrid fielder but the SABR guys love him, fact is in his day he's considered one of the best hitters behind only Wagner and his teammate Lajoie

http://baseballevolution.com/keith/flick.html

Last edited 1/17/2013 11:24 PM by Seiks

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Posted: 1/18/2013 5:29 AM

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Had to go with Manny over Rocky due to the fact he played more years in Cleveland. 

If Rocky had not gotten traded he would be the obvious candidate but since we are voting for what they did in Cleveland... yeah.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:43 AM

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Dromag67 wrote: Had to go with Manny over Rocky due to the fact he played more years in Cleveland. 

If Rocky had not gotten traded he would be the obvious candidate but since we are voting for what they did in Cleveland... yeah.
While there is value to what you stated ... when I think Rocky I think Cleveland ... when I think Manny I do not
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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:32 PM

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Dromag67 wrote: Had to go with Manny over Rocky due to the fact he played more years in Cleveland. 

If Rocky had not gotten traded he would be the obvious candidate but since we are voting for what they did in Cleveland... yeah.
While there is value to what you stated ... when I think Rocky I think Cleveland ... when I think Manny I do not

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I agree. When I think of Manny I think of Boston. When I think of Rocky it's Cleveland.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 1:47 AM

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Jim Norris.

Bread
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Posted: 1/19/2013 2:16 AM

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Cavsfan70 wrote:

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--- LUPENEXPRESS wrote:


Dromag67 wrote: Had to go with Manny over Rocky due to the fact he played more years in Cleveland. 

If Rocky had not gotten traded he would be the obvious candidate but since we are voting for what they did in Cleveland... yeah.
While there is value to what you stated ... when I think Rocky I think Cleveland ... when I think Manny I do not

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I agree. When I think of Manny I think of Boston. When I think of Rocky it's Cleveland.
When I think of Rocky I think "could have been" Cleveland. Maybe I'm just more negative in retrospect, I try not to think of Manny as Boston because I want to rationalize it by saying he played about the same amount of time for both teams.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:39 AM

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Gotta play defense too... Rocky was a good fielder Manny was a butcher.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:24 AM

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rocky made plays he got to. he just didn't get to that many since he was about the slowest person i ever saw play baseball. he did have that great arm.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 12:00 PM

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I had to go with Rocky since he was my hero when I was a just a 'little guy'. I would put his arm right under Roberto Clemente and Al Kaline from that era. I also remember him coming in to relief pitch, for I think Bob Lemon, in a game. I think he pitched three innings of no hit ball and struck out three or four players. Can't remember the team he pitched against although I want to say the Yankees.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 1:34 PM

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aug. 13, 1958, rocky pitched 3 shutout innings against detroit in relief of hoyt wilhelm, walking 3 and fanning 1 with a 7:1 FB/GB ratio with a balk. got al kaline out. he inherited 2 runners and let one of them score, and that was the winning run. he also tripled and doubled.

aug. 25, 1968, while playing for the yankees against detroit, rocky went 2.2, allowing 1 hit, walking 2, fanning 1 and stranding two inherited runners. he was the winning pitcher. he got out al kaline and willie horton in his first inning, then got horton out again in his third inning. kaline doubled the second time he faced the original rock.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 2:33 PM

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Thanks Buddy.
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