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Would Hafner be worth it at say 5 Million?

Posted: 1/5/2013 12:11 PM

Would Hafner be worth it at say 5 Million? 


Doesn't seem to be much of a market for his  services out there.  How about we offer him a one year, incentive laden  contract for 5 million to be our DH?  Maybe he gets it up to 7.5M or 8 mill with incentives.    

Batting behind Swish he might look pretty good.  I know he can't play a position, and those kinds of Dh's are becoming things of the past.   

But for 5 mill?  Wouldn't he  be a bargain if he just put up decent numbers?
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:17 PM

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I think they can get him for less.

He and Jim Thome are about the same guy, and there aren't many teams looking for a frequently injured DH. I'd get bothe their agents on the phone, say you're willing to spend $2M, and the first one that says yes gets it.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:22 PM

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no.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:26 PM

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If we're talking about the '04 - '06 versions of Hafner, anyone would certainly say yes.  But, other than that, I would rather have a healthy position player who can actually play a position (other than bench) for the DH role, who I also think it will cost much below the 5 mil mark.  I like Hafner but I'd rather pay Kubel 8 mil than Hafner 5 mil.

Bill
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:40 PM

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How low can we go? 2M?  Would you take Hafner (for one year) for 2M?  Unless he's planning to retire,  he desperately needs to re-establish his value.  Guys in that situation have worked out pretty well for the Tribe over the years. 
MBSCTribeFan wrote: If we're talking about the '04 - '06 versions of Hafner, anyone would certainly say yes.  But, other than that, I would rather have a healthy position player who can actually play a position (other than bench) for the DH role, who I also think it will cost much below the 5 mil mark.  I like Hafner but I'd rather pay Kubel 8 mil than Hafner 5 mil.

Bill
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:09 PM

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Why would any team pay 5 million dollars for a broken down DH who is an absolute guaranteed not to play more than 80 games - and who is limited to only in the AL and teams desperate for a LH hitting DH? I'm thinking there's probably only 3 maybe 4 teams who are mildly interested in Pronk. 

Also, there's only 1 way he can possibly re-establish part of his value - play 100 games which is next to impossible. Looks to me like he's looking at a ML minimum contract or possible even a minor league deal.

Ditto Thome
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:13 PM

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Harsh assessment, but perhaps true. But I still think he gets a million or two.

I like Pronk. At his prime he was a truly awesome stick.  Sad what injuries do to a man.  Both Grady and Pronk are just shadows of what they were.  But they are both good guys and I'd like to see them regain something of the their former forms. 
TitoFrancona wrote: Why would any team pay 5 million dollars for a broken down DH who is an absolute guaranteed not to play more than 80 games - and who is limited to only in the AL and teams desperate for a LH hitting DH? I'm thinking there's probably only 3 maybe 4 teams who are mildly interested in Pronk. 

Also, there's only 1 way he can possibly re-establish part of his value - play 100 games which is next to impossible. Looks to me like he's looking at a ML minimum contract or possible even a minor league deal.

Ditto Thome

Last edited 1/5/2013 1:15 PM by seriesbound

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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:17 PM

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Pronk is a DH so that makes him half a player.
He's injured a bunch so now 1/4 a player.
He can't hit LHP or against NL teams so that's like 1/6.

I don't want to tie up a roster spot at any price for 1/6 a player.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:18 PM

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seriesbound wrote: Harsh assessment, but perhaps true. But I still think he gets a million or two.

I like Pronk. At his prime he was a truly awesome stick.  Sad what injuries do to a man.  Both Grady and Pronk are just shadows of what they were.  But they are both good guys and I'd like to see them regain something of the their former forms. 
TitoFrancona wrote: Why would any team pay 5 million dollars for a broken down DH who is an absolute guaranteed not to play more than 80 games - and who is limited to only in the AL and teams desperate for a LH hitting DH? I'm thinking there's probably only 3 maybe 4 teams who are mildly interested in Pronk. 

Also, there's only 1 way he can possibly re-establish part of his value - play 100 games which is next to impossible. Looks to me like he's looking at a ML minimum contract or possible even a minor league deal.

Ditto Thome
I don't really like saying these things about Pronk, because I really am a fan of his, but I just don't see giving him a guaranteed contract a very wise decision. Fans all love Pronk too, but I think they all understand the guy is fragile and extremely limited in what he can give the team.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:27 PM

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Half of that and maybe.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:10 PM

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They're already paying him 2.75mil to not play for the Indians. How ironic would it be to sign him for less than that to play for them.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:15 PM

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We shouldn't offer him more than the minimum just on principle. He's made way more money from us than he's given us in value. If he's not signed and will take a minimum or minor league contract....okay.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:49 PM

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To answer the question the thread begs: no it's not worth it to sign Hafner for $5 million.  It's only worth signing him if he accepts the league minimum.  We're already paying him $2.75 million, so to bring him back to play 80-90 games isn't worth much more than what we're already paying him. 

On top of that, I'd honestly rather have Jim Thome.  Thome would likely help put a few more butts in the seats and can be just as productive as Hafner, if not more productive.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:59 PM

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What we already owe him is a sunk cost, and has no bearing on what we should consider paying him.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:05 PM

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BrianBell wrote: To answer the question the thread begs: no it's not worth it to sign Hafner for $5 million.  It's only worth signing him if he accepts the league minimum.  We're already paying him $2.75 million, so to bring him back to play 80-90 games isn't worth much more than what we're already paying him. 

On top of that, I'd honestly rather have Jim Thome.  Thome would likely help put a few more butts in the seats and can be just as productive as Hafner, if not more productive.

Thome has played less than Hafner over the last several years. He's even more broken down than Hafner and he's about 7 years older and just as limited.

And what fan is going to pay to see a game they normally wouldn't, just to see a 42 year old broken down player who may or may not be in the lineup? Thome's not going to bring in any more fans than Hafner.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:09 PM

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Berkman signed a $10 million deal with Texas so $5 million sounds reasonable for a DH -- just not Hafner.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:45 PM

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5 Million for Hafner would be ridiculous for any team. Wouldn't even give him 3 million. We don't need a DH.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:59 PM

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tribefan40 wrote: 5 Million for Hafner would be ridiculous for any team. Wouldn't even give him 3 million. We don't need a DH.
I actually 100% agree!!! Hafner is one of the main reason's we overworked Kipnis and Cabrera last year... I wouldn't have a problem with Hafner if he could play first on a limited level, but that isn't going to happen... I will be happy to see Santana and Swisher get some at bats at the DH position... I'm sure all of us wouldn't have a problem if Hafner could still hit 40 homeruns and DH everyday! I'm sure Hafner will get a job and I'm sure he won't stay healthy the entire year....
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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:03 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote:
BrianBell wrote: To answer the question the thread begs: no it's not worth it to sign Hafner for $5 million.  It's only worth signing him if he accepts the league minimum.  We're already paying him $2.75 million, so to bring him back to play 80-90 games isn't worth much more than what we're already paying him. 

On top of that, I'd honestly rather have Jim Thome.  Thome would likely help put a few more butts in the seats and can be just as productive as Hafner, if not more productive.

Thome has played less than Hafner over the last several years. He's even more broken down than Hafner and he's about 7 years older and just as limited.

And what fan is going to pay to see a game they normally wouldn't, just to see a 42 year old broken down player who may or may not be in the lineup? Thome's not going to bring in any more fans than Hafner.
Thome in 2010 and 2011 out-produced Hafner in FEW plate appearances:

Thome had 40 HR and 109 RBI in 664 combined plate appearances in 2010 and 2011
Hafner had 26 HR and 107 RBI in 830 combined plate appearances in 2010 and 2011

If you throw in 2012 Thome had 48 HR and 134 RBI in 850 plate appearances the last 3 years versus Hafner's 38 HR and 141 RBI in 1,093 plate appearances.  Bottom line: while Thome hasn't played as much as Hafner, he's also provided more bang for the buck so to speak with 10 more HR's and only 7 fewer RBI despite 243 FEWER plate appearances.  If he plate appearances had been equal, Thome would have had 62 HR's and 172 RBI in the same 1,093 plate appearances.

Given that Thome would cost less, I'd honestly much rather kick the tires on Thome than Hafner.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:33 PM

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I'd rather not have either, but agree with BB, I would rather bring back Thome over Hafner.
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