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Tribe Coughs Up McFarland and Rondon

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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:56 PM

Tribe Coughs Up McFarland and Rondon 


http://www.thetribedaily.com/2012/12/rule-v-recap- indians-claim-1b-lose.html

And hangs onto Aguilar, much to my surprise.



- Good for Hector to get a change of scenery. I think he would've been a good 3-4 had his career not been hit by the injury-train. Still, probably not too much hope for him.


- Losing McFarland could hurt us..

- Random Rule5 thought: Still believe we should have hung onto Contstanza. Good contact hitter, decent plate discipline, could use speed to turn outs into hits, fantastic range in CF. To me, he's essentially a better version of Zeke.

Last edited 12/6/2012 4:08 PM by mooseahoy

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Posted: 12/6/2012 5:40 PM

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mooseahoy wrote:

http://www.thetribedaily.com/2012/12/rule-v-recap- indians-claim-1b-lose.html

And hangs onto Aguilar, much to my surprise.



- Good for Hector to get a change of scenery. I think he would've been a good 3-4 had his career not been hit by the injury-train. Still, probably not too much hope for him.


- Losing McFarland could hurt us..

- Random Rule5 thought: Still believe we should have hung onto Contstanza. Good contact hitter, decent plate discipline, could use speed to turn outs into hits, fantastic range in CF. To me, he's essentially a better version of Zeke.

There wasn't a chance of them losing Aguilar. The guy has some good potential but he's most likely 2 years away from being ML ready. McFarland could conceivably be ready this season so it was a good gamble for the O's.

As far as Rondon goes, I doubt the Cubs hold onto him unless they do some hanky panky stuff and stash him on the IR or work out a deal with the Tribe. I like Rondon, but any longer he's most likely in the bullpen for the remainder of his career which really drops his value as a prospect.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:11 PM

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So, I was wrong.  I predicted Rondon would go as the first overall pick in the Rule 5.  He went second. 

I also said there was a good chance we would lose McFarland as teams could envision him as a LOOGY with the potential to be more.

We lost both. 

But it was probably just a lucky guess.biggrin

While the Rule 5 is hard to figure out it is not hard to figure that Rondon's past prospect status and his winter ball performance, much of which was BEFORE the rosters were frozen made this a pretty easy call. 

If it was that easy for me to make this call why wasn't it easy for the Indians to make the call about rostering him?

The answer: its the Indians.  banghead
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:15 PM

Re: Tribe Coughs Up McFarland and Rondon 



mooseahoy wrote:

http://www.thetribedaily.com/2012/12/rule-v-recap- indians-claim-1b-lose.html

And hangs onto Aguilar, much to my surprise.



- Good for Hector to get a change of scenery. I think he would've been a good 3-4 had his career not been hit by the injury-train. Still, probably not too much hope for him.


- Losing McFarland could hurt us..

- Random Rule5 thought: Still believe we should have hung onto Contstanza. Good contact hitter, decent plate discipline, could use speed to turn outs into hits, fantastic range in CF. To me, he's essentially a better version of Zeke.

No way we lose Aguilar and the cavalier attitude about losing Rondon is puzzling.  Putting McFarland above him makes the situation easier when we get McFarland back, which is MUCH more likely than us getting Rondon back.  So let's not set the stage for failure of our player evaluation system by dissing the guy who we will most likely lose while pumping up the guy we will most likely get back.

No chance of losing Aguilar.  His performance this winter (the Rule 5 is all about what you have done for me lately) sealed that deal if his performance at the end of the season didn't already do that.  He is two years away and, while he had good potential, could not have been rostered for two years and have two options used up to keep a guy who may be good in 3 years, if then.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:31 PM

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Not putting McFarland on the 40 man was a big surprise to me too, I like Aguilar, but we picked up Mcguiness today that probably will be just as effective as Aguilar... We gave up 2 pitcher's in the rule 5 that have upside and saved a guy that will be a future bench player... I love it!!!
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:36 PM

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Teams routinely carrying 12 or 13 man pitching staffs seems to make it far more likely a team will keep a pitcher in Rule 5 than a hitter.  Every team has at least one pitcher to throw garbage innings in blowouts and that can just as easily be a Rule 5 guy.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:41 PM

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ciperspective6 wrote: So, I was wrong.  I predicted Rondon would go as the first overall pick in the Rule 5.  He went second. 

I also said there was a good chance we would lose McFarland as teams could envision him as a LOOGY with the potential to be more.

We lost both. 

But it was probably just a lucky guess.biggrin

While the Rule 5 is hard to figure out it is not hard to figure that Rondon's past prospect status and his winter ball performance, much of which was BEFORE the rosters were frozen made this a pretty easy call. 

If it was that easy for me to make this call why wasn't it easy for the Indians to make the call about rostering him?

The answer: its the Indians.  banghead

My guess is that if we had McGinnis in the system and let him slide, you would have been upset about that. Personally, I wouldn't have had any kind of problem with them had the traded McFarland for McGinnis. I don't see McFarland ever being anything more than a so-so BOR type pitcher and probably more likely to be a loogy.

Rondon has the potential to be a pretty solid reliever, but there's not a chance in hell he stays on the 25 man all season. They'll have to stash him on the DL or work out a deal. Rondon has potential but at this point I don't see him as ML ready and clearly his days as a starter are pretty much over.

I'm not happy they didn't protect him, but as we both know, they haven't "lost" either player yet, just as McGinnis is no lock to make the team and most likely will be sent back.  

If you want to get upset, at least wait until either or both players make their respective teams and we officially lose them.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:41 PM

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Meh in, meh out
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:26 PM

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Same rant, different year.

This is the annual "lets wring our hands over something that doesnt matter" thread.

Every year at this time a bunch of posters label the front office as stupid, ignorant, idiotic, and aver strongly that they cant manage the roster for Rule Five.

But in the end, it never makes much of a difference.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:51 PM

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--- CATS44 wrote:

Same rant, different year.

This is the annual "lets wring our hands over something that doesnt matter" thread.

Every year at this time a bunch of posters label the front office as stupid, ignorant, idiotic, and aver strongly that they cant manage the roster for Rule Five.

But in the end, it never makes much of a difference.

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Yep.

Some people value another team's junk and they are idiots for not getting them. Other people value our own junk, and they are idiots for losing them.

I would love to have the comprehensive list of players Dennis shat his pants over losing. I bet we could field a competitive team...in Akron.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:11 AM

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CATS44 wrote: Same rant, different year.

This is the annual "lets wring our hands over something that doesnt matter" thread.

Every year at this time a bunch of posters label the front office as stupid, ignorant, idiotic, and aver strongly that they cant manage the roster for Rule Five.

But in the end, it never makes much of a difference.
Well if it is every year then doesn't that make it a "tradition?"

[And w]ithout our traditions, our lives would be as shaky as... as a fiddler on the roof!
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:38 AM

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Yep, complaining about the Rule V is a tradition unlike any other except for that annual futility that is the Tribe season which typically is much like the Rule V draft in many ways.....
JenniferMarie wrote:
CATS44 wrote: Same rant, different year.

This is the annual "lets wring our hands over something that doesnt matter" thread.

Every year at this time a bunch of posters label the front office as stupid, ignorant, idiotic, and aver strongly that they cant manage the roster for Rule Five.

But in the end, it never makes much of a difference.
Well if it is every year then doesn't that make it a "tradition?"

[And w]ithout our traditions, our lives would be as shaky as... as a fiddler on the roof!
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Posted: 12/8/2012 10:46 AM

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dekauffman wrote: Yep, complaining about the Rule V is a tradition unlike any other except for that annual futility that is the Tribe season which typically is much like the Rule V draft in many ways.....
JenniferMarie wrote:
CATS44 wrote: Same rant, different year.

This is the annual "lets wring our hands over something that doesnt matter" thread.

Every year at this time a bunch of posters label the front office as stupid, ignorant, idiotic, and aver strongly that they cant manage the roster for Rule Five.

But in the end, it never makes much of a difference.
Well if it is every year then doesn't that make it a "tradition?"

[And w]ithout our traditions, our lives would be as shaky as... as a fiddler on the roof!
So what I am hearing is that it is OK to not roster your own prospects, especially pitchers, when you have lots of crap still on your roster?

So what I am hearing is that it is OK to DRAFT in the Rule 5 a guy who is redundant with at least 5 other players competing for the same position on the ML team, making his chances of making the team (the pre-requisite to keeping the guy) close to if not exactly zero.

I don't know if DEKauffman meant it this way but it certainly is one interpretation that the Rule 5 draft was massive stupidity, just on a small scale compared to the massive stupidity of the ML season which results from all these smaller massively stupid decisions.

Face it, the ONLY defense that you people have for the Rule 5 draft results is that it just doesn't matter because it doesn't involve high-end prospects.  We lost prospects, good prospects, and got a redundant guy back AND IN THE FACE OF DOING STUPID THINGS WITH THE ROSTER OF A LAST PLACE-CALIBER TEAM.

Next prediction: Rondon and McFarland will have better major league careers than McDade and McGuiness, but then you all can say, as you have in the past, that it doesn't matter because none of them are all-stars...unless one of them becomes all-stars, that is.

Last edited 12/8/2012 10:53 AM by ciperspective6

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