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Why trade A-Cab?

Posted: 12/4/2012 11:37 PM

Why trade A-Cab? 


I just don't understand why the Tribe is trying to trade him. He is young, under contract and is an All-Star. Shouldn't they built around him if anything? He is not asking for a trade and has been a good player and a teammate in the clubhouse.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 11:40 PM

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He is constantly out of shape & Lazy and has fallen apart after the All Star Break the last 2 seasons so if a GM is really stupid enough to meet the delusional demands of Anti & Shappy then by all means trade him. JMHO
jason251213 wrote: I just don't understand why the Tribe is trying to trade him. He is young, under contract and is an All-Star. Shouldn't they built around him if anything? He is not asking for a trade and has been a good player and a teammate in the clubhouse.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 11:42 PM

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Why Not?  The Indians feel they can get a high return for him, Cleveland has a bunch of high end short stop prospects and so many places that need to be upgraded, Choo will be gone after this year, our outfield is weak and our starting pitching was horrid last year...
jason251213 wrote: I just don't understand why the Tribe is trying to trade him. He is young, under contract and is an All-Star. Shouldn't they built around him if anything? He is not asking for a trade and has been a good player and a teammate in the clubhouse.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:52 AM

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Because Larry Dolan is jealous of the Marlins payroll.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:44 AM

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Because it would free salary that so we can give Victorino 5 years 60 million... oh wait he already signed with the Bosux.... oh wait never mind he already signed.
Is Kotchman still available?
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Posted: 12/5/2012 6:01 AM

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Because we are loaded at the shortstop position in the minors.

We also screwed up the extenstion we gave ACAb.  Of all players that clubs wanted to extend ACab got the worst possible deal for himself and the team.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 6:55 AM

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1) his value is at a peak, and that gives the indians their best possible chance of pulling in several parts they need more than they need cabrera

2) aviles is an acceptable fill-in

3) and they are flush with good SS prospects
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Posted: 12/5/2012 7:20 AM

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The Indians need pitching. Really that simple.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 7:49 AM

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jason251213 wrote: I just don't understand why the Tribe is trying to trade him. He is young, under contract and is an All-Star. Shouldn't they built around him if anything? He is not asking for a trade and has been a good player and a teammate in the clubhouse.
They have him for 2 more years, then he's gone anyways.

Supply & demand.  Lots of teams are looking for a good SS.

Look at the major league SS position. There aren't many good ones. If you have a good one & are willing to trade him, you should be able to get a haul in return.

Scutaro is now off the market, which should give the Tribe even more leverage in trading A-Cab.

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Posted: 12/5/2012 8:15 AM

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Cause he comes to spring training out of shape every year and wears down as the season goes on. His real position is 2b and we have Kipnis there.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 9:08 AM

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Because a team built around him just lost 94 games. 

Can't complain the team won't win and then complain when they get rid of the players that weren't winning.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:01 PM

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I think some of the people on this forum are a little too harsh on Cabrera. He's still a good player. And if he's as bad as some of you want to make him out to be, why is there so much interest in him from other teams?

That being said, yes, our system is strong at the SS position, this team has so many other needs that it just makes sense to trade Cabrera - for the right deal.

But I would be absolutely opposed to just giving him away just for the sake of trading him. That would be inane.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:02 PM

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Pluto in his audio came down on Cabrera much as I have, not in good shape, limited range, declining stats at SS.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:23 PM

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GopherIndianHybrid wrote: The Indians need pitching. Really that simple.
and then some more after that
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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:40 PM

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We don't know the Tribe is "trying" to trade Cabrera.  Whenever it becomes known that a team has talked to another team about trading a player it almost always becomes a team is "trying" to trade a player which implies a team wants to trade the player.

Numerous conversations occur between GMs about numerous players numerous times.  GMs probably are willing to trade any player if the return is high enough and thus are always ready to listen to an offer or even float a name to gauge interest.

There is no firm evidence that the Tribe wants to get rid of Cabrera.

MLB.com is reporting that the Indians and Arizona have been discussing a deal involving shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera and right-hander Trevor Bauer. The Indians would send Cabrera to Arizona for Bauer in what could be a multi-player, multi-team trade.

The two teams have been in discussion for awhile, but it is not clear how close the deal is to being made. One source said nothing was imminent and that talks had stalled.

Hoynes


Yesterday Hoynes reported that

The going price on the Indians' two-time All-Star is three to four players, preferably four. The Indians had the framework of a deal in place in which they would have received one big-league pitcher and two high-level prospects. When the Indians asked for a third prospect, the deal dissolved

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Posted: 12/5/2012 12:44 PM

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Unless we're in a Marlins situation (and we're not), it's more about what the Indians (or any team) want in return, not what they want to get rid of.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:14 AM

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jason251213 wrote: I just don't understand why the Tribe is trying to trade him. He is young, under contract and is an All-Star. Shouldn't they built around him if anything? He is not asking for a trade and has been a good player and a teammate in the clubhouse.
because trading him improves the team.

You have been posting here for a while now and still can not accept some basic concepts.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:48 AM

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jason251213 wrote: I just don't understand why the Tribe is trying to trade him. He is young, under contract and is an All-Star. Shouldn't they built around him if anything? He is not asking for a trade and has been a good player and a teammate in the clubhouse.
Because for some reason baseball stubbornly insists that every 1/2 inning the Indians need to place a pitcher on the mound and attempt to get 3 outs.  Our current staff struggles with this so the team wants to upgrade the pitching by trading someone of value.  Cabrera is a good player so he should bring at least one good pitcher in return if they can find a match.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:13 AM

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Somebody remind me...when has trading our best player (s) made us a better team? It didnt work with Colavito or Chambliss or Eckersley or Agee.

A team with absolutely no offense is in talks to get rid of its best offensive players....to get pitching prospects.

We have reverted to Indians baseball of the 60s-70s-80s.

Trade our best bats for pitching and then trade our best pitchers for hitting.

As for Aviles, he is adequate...for a last place team. He is what he is...a 32 yr old utility player who is good enough to hang around and actually play, simply because there are teams and organizations like the Indians.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:30 AM

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what's the value of a best player who is under control for 2 more years when they don't have enough around him to make a good team?

Answer: you trade him for, hopefully, multiple parts that you control for many years and address your biggest weaknesses.

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