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BA Top 10 Indian Prospects

Posted: 11/14/2012 1:02 PM

BA Top 10 Indian Prospects 


1. Francisco Lindor, ss
2. Dorssys Paulino, ss
3. Tyler Naquin, of
4. Cody Allen, rhp
5. Mitch Brown, rhp
6. Danny Salazar, rhp
7. Luigi Rodriguez, of
8. Ronny Rodriguez, ss/2b
9. Jesus Aguilar, 1b
10. Chen Lee, rhp

http://www.baseballamerica.com...13/2614318.html
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:05 PM

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Francisco Lindor is a potential all-star and fellow shortstop Dorssys Paulino may be the best international player they've signed since Peralta in 1999. But neither has played above low Class A, nor has 2012 first-rounder Tyler Naquin, and beyond them the system is thin.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:22 PM

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Overall that is one pathetic list of players.  How the people that scouted and/or drafted that list still have jobs is a testament to the absence of accountability in the organization.  Chen Lee is #10 and is 26 years old and missed almost the entire 2012 season with Tommy John surgery. The guys that were rejected to include him must really be bad.   

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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:43 PM

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Let's keep in mind that if not for the Ubaldo trade, a couple of the 4 prospects we gave up are likely somewhere on this list.  I would think McBride would be on the list and maybe one of Pomeranz or White depending on how much big league experience they would have received this year if they stayed with the Indians.  I can't entirely fault the scouting department for that list because if not for the Ubaldo trade, the list is likely a lot better looking.  Let's also keep in mind that a guy like Dillon Howard who was on this list a year ago fell flat on his face in his first year of pro ball.  If he bounces back, he easily makes this list. 

Now granted we can't get the guys back that we dealt for Ubaldo, but I don't think you can put a lot of or most of the blame on the scouting department, they weren't the ones who gutted this team's farm system in the Ubaldo trade, it was our beloved GM and team president that did that.  Some of our farm system's shortcomings are due to that as well as the scouting department, but IMHO a little more of it falls on that Ubaldo trade.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:47 PM

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BrianBell wrote: Let's keep in mind that if not for the Ubaldo trade, a couple of the 4 prospects we gave up are likely somewhere on this list.  I would think McBride would be on the list and maybe one of Pomeranz or White depending on how much big league experience they would have received this year if they stayed with the Indians.  I can't entirely fault the scouting department for that list because if not for the Ubaldo trade, the list is likely a lot better looking.  Let's also keep in mind that a guy like Dillon Howard who was on this list a year ago fell flat on his face in his first year of pro ball.  If he bounces back, he easily makes this list. 

Now granted we can't get the guys back that we dealt for Ubaldo, but I don't think you can put a lot of or most of the blame on the scouting department, they weren't the ones who gutted this team's farm system in the Ubaldo trade, it was our beloved GM and team president that did that.  Some of our farm system's shortcomings are due to that as well as the scouting department, but IMHO a little more of it falls on that Ubaldo trade.

Matt McBride is 27 years old.  He might be on the list but that would be further evidence of the crap in the system.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:57 PM

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BrianBell wrote: Let's keep in mind that if not for the Ubaldo trade, a couple of the 4 prospects we gave up are likely somewhere on this list.  I would think McBride would be on the list and maybe one of Pomeranz or White depending on how much big league experience they would have received this year if they stayed with the Indians.  I can't entirely fault the scouting department for that list because if not for the Ubaldo trade, the list is likely a lot better looking.  Let's also keep in mind that a guy like Dillon Howard who was on this list a year ago fell flat on his face in his first year of pro ball.  If he bounces back, he easily makes this list. 

Now granted we can't get the guys back that we dealt for Ubaldo, but I don't think you can put a lot of or most of the blame on the scouting department, they weren't the ones who gutted this team's farm system in the Ubaldo trade, it was our beloved GM and team president that did that.  Some of our farm system's shortcomings are due to that as well as the scouting department, but IMHO a little more of it falls on that Ubaldo trade.
The scouting department should have told Shaponetti that Jimenez was garbage.

It's still too early to decide if the department responsible for drafting is doing much better since so many prospects are in the low minors. Yes a few players like Kipnis and Allen have turned out OK. But the jury is still out.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:07 PM

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I have no clue how Chen Lee made that list. In this system there's at least a half dozen pitchers  - probably more that should rank higher than Lee. He's a mid-range prospect at best.

If still in the org, Matt McBride wouldn't come close to making this list either.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:53 PM

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strange list, i suspect by someone who is not terribly familiar with the system.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:04 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote: I have no clue how Chen Lee made that list. In this system there's at least a half dozen pitchers  - probably more that should rank higher than Lee. He's a mid-range prospect at best.

If still in the org, Matt McBride wouldn't come close to making this list either.
If you wonder why Chen Lee is on this list look at Cody Allen.  Last year at this time he was just an afterthought and was eating Lee's dust.  Assuming that differential still holds, the only thing that keeps him from ranking higher than Allen is the TJ surgery, which is why he ranks 10th.

For comparison, here is how BA ranked these guys and, in parentheses, here is how I ranked them in my blog at the end of the minor league season (no link included biggrin)

1. Lindor (1)
2. Paulino (2)
3. Naquin (9)
4. Allen (5)
5. Brown (4)
6. Salazar (21)
7. Luigi Rodriguez (18)
8. Ronny Rodiruguez (7)
9. Jesus Aguilar (8)
10. Chen Lee (27)

My top 10 guys not in BA's top ten were:

3. Wolters
6. Chun Chen
10. Armstrong

My comments on BA's list and mine are:

1. I think Naquin is another version of Holt, Carrera, Crowe, etc.  Guys who can hit for average but not much else except for maybe above average defense.  We have seen what happened to the other guys above.  I think Naquin stands just a fractionally greater chance to be anything than Crowe did.

2. Salazar and Lee - I can't rate guys coming off injury this high.  Yeah, they may have been good (Lee) or are looking good now coming off injury (Salazar) but they have big question marks by them.

3. Luigi Rodriguez is loved by BA.  Still, to me, he is Naquin, just younger.   These guys, in the AL, are 4th outfielder types.  In the NL they may be starting outfielders but usually not in the AL, especially without one outstanding tool and their hit tool is just pretty darn good, but not great.

4. Tony Wolters - I like Wolters more than most.  I think he held his own this year and profiles better than Ronny Rod to me.  Still, Wolters has to prove he has one great skill and the rest average to above average.  Playing him up a level makes it really hard to judge that.  Hopefully next year it will start to show through.  I think it will.

5. Chun Chen - The Rodney Dangerfield of Indians' prospects.  I obviously think he has a better chance to be a ML contributor than does Aguilar.  At one time, in my dreams, Aguilar was going to do a Albert Pujols on us.  Not happening.  He will be a level-at-a-time guy who, if he ever does, will take a couple to three years to establish himself as a productive MLer.  Now, back to Chen.  I think he can be more, sooner than Aguilar.  I think if he can get a little more loft on his hits his bat can play as a passable, but not great, ML DH or 1B guy. 

6. Armstrong?  I just see him as next year's Allen.  He has work to do but I think there is something there.  The Indians are great at drafting these college guys low in the draft and turning them into productive ML relievers.  I am thinking Armstrong, if he can stay healthy, will be the next.  His path and stats are not that dissimilar to Allen's last year.

It's all a guessing game and BA LOVES to pick some flyer guy who then 3 years later, they can say 'See, we told you so' or, if the guy tanks, then it just looks like another 23rd (or 30th) prospect who didn't work out.  It will be interesting to see who will be on their top 30 list and how it matches up with all of ours.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:27 PM

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Most of your rankings are fairly good, but Chen? I'm sorry but as a catcher his ranking should be pretty hight, but his bat is nothing special as a first baseman. Especially when you figure he's probably below average defensively at first.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:03 PM

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Well at least this can be rectified by just dumping more money into the ... oh crap, MLB outlawed that.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:48 AM

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TitoFrancona wrote: Most of your rankings are fairly good, but Chen? I'm sorry but as a catcher his ranking should be pretty hight, but his bat is nothing special as a first baseman. Especially when you figure he's probably below average defensively at first.
That's a great thing about rankings.  One man's donation box contains another man's treasures. 

I guess Chen is my verison of BA's 'I told you so' in a few years. biggrin
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:38 PM

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CalBuckeyeRob wrote:

Overall that is one pathetic list of players.  How the people that scouted and/or drafted that list still have jobs is a testament to the absence of accountability in the organization.  Chen Lee is #10 and is 26 years old and missed almost the entire 2012 season with Tommy John surgery. The guys that were rejected to include him must really be bad.   

+1 unfortunately. While we will likely get a new #1 in the draft this year, the cupboard is very bare, and can no longer be blamed on Mirabelli. It's a poor reflection on Shaponetti regime that we must constantly trade away our best players to restock our farm system. This prospect list makes me want to follow the A's or the padres and just blow up our major league team, however i don't have much confidence in our front office to find young talent anymoredisbelief
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Posted: 11/19/2012 7:32 AM

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gomerhodge wrote: unfortunately. While we will likely get a new #1 in the draft this year, the cupboard is very bare, and can no longer be blamed on Mirabelli. It's a poor reflection on Shaponetti regime that we must constantly trade away our best players to restock our farm system.
Mirabelli is still in the front office. He's in a different role, but his voice is still heard.

It's a combination of Shapiro, Mirabelli & Antonetti who have drug this team to it's current depth.

Grant's body of work is now large enough to get a picture of & while it's an improvement over Mirabelli (nowhere to go but up) it's looking to be mediocre at best. We have 1 player in the minors who's projected as an elite prospect.

A team who gets nothing but FA leftovers must do much better in scouting/drafting/developing or the losing seasons will continue to pile up with no end in sight until competent decision makers are brought in.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:47 AM

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WahooinAtlanta wrote:


Grant's body of work is now large enough to get a picture of & while it's an improvement over Mirabelli (nowhere to go but up) it's looking to be mediocre at best. We have 1 player in the minors who's projected as an elite prospect.


Did Grant trade Pomeranz and White?

Why do you not include Kipnis? Or even Chissenhall?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:50 AM

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WahooinAtlanta wrote:
gomerhodge wrote: unfortunately. While we will likely get a new #1 in the draft this year, the cupboard is very bare, and can no longer be blamed on Mirabelli. It's a poor reflection on Shaponetti regime that we must constantly trade away our best players to restock our farm system.
Mirabelli is still in the front office. He's in a different role, but his voice is still heard.

You don't have a clue what Mirabelli does. But you've been regurgitating the same narrative for ten years, so why stop now?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:31 PM

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Baseball Prospectus weighs in with their top 10 Tribe prospects...

  1. SS Francisco Lindor
  2. 2B/3B Dorssys Paulino
  3. 2B Ronny Rodriguez
  4. RHP Mitch Brown
  5. CF Luigi Rodriguez
  6. RHP Danny Salazar
  7. RHP Cody Allen
  8. OF Tyler Naquin
  9. IF Tony Wolters
  10. 2B Jose Ramirez

 

Different order than BA, but the top 8 players are on both lists.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:34 PM

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i like this list a little better. pushes naquin down, includes wolters and ramirez.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:53 PM

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Lindor is 2015 or 2016 at best.... a LOT can happen between now and then
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Posted: 2/20/2013 5:49 PM

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BA released their top 100, Lindor and Bauer were the only Indians to make it. They added future tools rankings.

14 Trevor Bauer Fastball 70 Curve 70 Change 55 Control 55 Command 50
MLB.com #17 FB 6/7 Curve 5/6 Slider 4/5 Change 4/5 Control 4/5 Overall 5/6

28 Francisco Lindor Bat 60 Power 40 Speed 55 Defense 70 Arm 60
MLB.com #14 Hit 4/7 Power 3/5 Run 5/5 Arm 6/6 Field 6/8 Overall 6/7
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