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Ranking the five worst owners in baseball

Posted: 11/14/2012 12:55 PM

Ranking the five worst owners in baseball 


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...s-jeffery-loria

One writer's opinion. So it's not just Cle fans saying the Dolans aren't the best.

4. The Dolan family, Indians: Remember when the Indians used to go to the playoffs every year? It wasn't that long ago, but it sure seems like it. The Dolans bought the team in 2000 and the Indians have made the playoffs only once since 2001. They have traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee since then, though. Cry small market if you wish, but Dolan bought the club for $323 million in 2000 and Forbes magazine values the club at $410 million now. Also, the Reds, Cardinals and Brewers play in smaller TV markets. They seem to do OK.

Last edited 11/14/2012 12:57 PM by ronfh

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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:57 PM

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#1 Marlins
#2 Mets
#3 Royals
#4 Indians
#5 Orioles
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:17 PM

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ronfh wrote: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...s-jeffery-loria

One writer's opinion. So it's not just Cle fans saying the Dolans aren't the best.

4. The Dolan family, Indians: Remember when the Indians used to go to the playoffs every year? It wasn't that long ago, but it sure seems like it. The Dolans bought the team in 2000 and the Indians have made the playoffs only once since 2001. They have traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee since then, though. Cry small market if you wish, but Dolan bought the club for $323 million in 2000 and Forbes magazine values the club at $410 million now. Also, the Reds, Cardinals and Brewers play in smaller TV markets. They seem to do OK.
This is my take! I would take the Dolans over the Marlins owner in a heartbeat, Yes, I want a championship, but I feel we have a better chance of getting there then having the dolans spend a small fortune... and if it doesn't work, well look at Miami!!!  I do feel we have some good player's, but our problem is we get good player's and lose them to free agency... Cleveland should rebuild to get some young player's, but they shouldn't rebuild unless the Dolans are sure that they don't want to make a run in 2013... If the Dolans are going to make a run next year then, they have to spend the money now... Not Miami Money, but take our payroll up to about 90 million and give out a couple 1 year deals that we can scrap the next year... Ricky Nolasco would be perfect... Signing Jason Bay to a one year deal would be alright... This is what I would do!!!

Choo RF
Victorino LF
Cabrera ss
Bay DH
Santana 1st
Brantley CF
Chisenhall 3rd
Kipnis 2nd
Gomez/Marson C

Starters Masterson, Jimenez, Nolasco, McAllister, Carrasco,
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:52 PM

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casper18837 wrote:
ronfh wrote: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...s-jeffery-loria

One writer's opinion. So it's not just Cle fans saying the Dolans aren't the best.

4. The Dolan family, Indians: Remember when the Indians used to go to the playoffs every year? It wasn't that long ago, but it sure seems like it. The Dolans bought the team in 2000 and the Indians have made the playoffs only once since 2001. They have traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee since then, though. Cry small market if you wish, but Dolan bought the club for $323 million in 2000 and Forbes magazine values the club at $410 million now. Also, the Reds, Cardinals and Brewers play in smaller TV markets. They seem to do OK.
This is my take! I would take the Dolans over the Marlins owner in a heartbeat, Yes, I want a championship, but I feel we have a better chance of getting there then having the dolans spend a small fortune... and if it doesn't work, well look at Miami!!!  I do feel we have some good player's, but our problem is we get good player's and lose them to free agency... Cleveland should rebuild to get some young player's, but they shouldn't rebuild unless the Dolans are sure that they don't want to make a run in 2013... If the Dolans are going to make a run next year then, they have to spend the money now... Not Miami Money, but take our payroll up to about 90 million and give out a couple 1 year deals that we can scrap the next year... Ricky Nolasco would be perfect... Signing Jason Bay to a one year deal would be alright... This is what I would do!!!

Choo RF
Victorino LF
Cabrera ss
Bay DH
Santana 1st
Brantley CF
Chisenhall 3rd
Kipnis 2nd
Gomez/Marson C

Starters Masterson, Jimenez, Nolasco, McAllister, Carrasco,

I wished I shared your opinion, but I have pretty much given up hope of this team ever getting to the promised as long as Dolan or the present FO are there. It's one thing to have a small and very tight budget, but to have that plus a FO that can't seem to get it right, is a disasterous combination.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 7:17 PM

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If the tribe won 2 WS in 15 years, they could move the team to Siberia for all I care.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:53 AM

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casper18837 wrote:
ronfh wrote: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...s-jeffery-loria

One writer's opinion. So it's not just Cle fans saying the Dolans aren't the best.

4. The Dolan family, Indians: Remember when the Indians used to go to the playoffs every year? It wasn't that long ago, but it sure seems like it. The Dolans bought the team in 2000 and the Indians have made the playoffs only once since 2001. They have traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee since then, though. Cry small market if you wish, but Dolan bought the club for $323 million in 2000 and Forbes magazine values the club at $410 million now. Also, the Reds, Cardinals and Brewers play in smaller TV markets. They seem to do OK.
This is my take! I would take the Dolans over the Marlins owner in a heartbeat, Yes, I want a championship, but I feel we have a better chance of getting there then having the dolans spend a small fortune... and if it doesn't work, well look at Miami!!!  I do feel we have some good player's, but our problem is we get good player's and lose them to free agency... Cleveland should rebuild to get some young player's, but they shouldn't rebuild unless the Dolans are sure that they don't want to make a run in 2013... If the Dolans are going to make a run next year then, they have to spend the money now... Not Miami Money, but take our payroll up to about 90 million and give out a couple 1 year deals that we can scrap the next year... Ricky Nolasco would be perfect... Signing Jason Bay to a one year deal would be alright... This is what I would do!!!

Choo RF
Victorino LF
Cabrera ss
Bay DH
Santana 1st
Brantley CF
Chisenhall 3rd
Kipnis 2nd
Gomez/Marson C

Starters Masterson, Jimenez, Nolasco, McAllister, Carrasco,
That isn't a 90M roster unless you charged a 20M consulting fee to put it together.

I'm on to you!  Damn, and I thought ballplayers were highly paidwink
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:16 PM

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LuisMedina wrote: If the tribe won 2 WS in 15 years, they could move the team to Siberia for all I care.
They are going to move before they win a championship. So depressing.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:28 PM

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CavsFan wrote:
LuisMedina wrote: If the tribe won 2 WS in 15 years, they could move the team to Siberia for all I care.
They are going to move before they win a championship. So depressing.
Yeah, I agree that the Cavs will Move before they win a championship!!! As far as the Indians, some good decisions could get us a championship hopefully this century!!!!
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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:40 PM

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casper18837 wrote:
Yeah, I agree that the Cavs will Move before they win a championship!!! As far as the Indians, some good decisions could get us a championship hopefully this century!!!!

We have been saying exactly that for going on 12 years now. Nothing has changed. Same owner, basically the same FO and of course the same excuses and whining about this being a small market team and yada yada.  

Of course, I do see where you say this century so maybe you're just being sarcastic toward the org. In which case, carry on. biggrin
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:04 AM

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LOL at anyone who would prefer Peter Angelos own the Indians.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:32 AM

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GopherIndianHybrid wrote: LOL at anyone who would prefer Peter Angelos own the Indians.
Living 60 miles from Baltimore and in their media market, I absolutely concur with GIH.  Angelos sets the standard for worst ownership (although Loria is currently giving him a run for his money).
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:48 AM

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CavsFan wrote:
LuisMedina wrote: If the tribe won 2 WS in 15 years, they could move the team to Siberia for all I care.
They are going to move before they win a championship. So depressing.

I just don't know where there is to go. noidea
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:16 PM

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MrBananaGrabber85 wrote:
CavsFan wrote:
LuisMedina wrote: If the tribe won 2 WS in 15 years, they could move the team to Siberia for all I care.
They are going to move before they win a championship. So depressing.

I just don't know where there is to go. noidea
Columbus?
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:16 PM

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casper18837 wrote:
ronfh wrote: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...s-jeffery-loria

One writer's opinion. So it's not just Cle fans saying the Dolans aren't the best.

4. The Dolan family, Indians: Remember when the Indians used to go to the playoffs every year? It wasn't that long ago, but it sure seems like it. The Dolans bought the team in 2000 and the Indians have made the playoffs only once since 2001. They have traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee since then, though. Cry small market if you wish, but Dolan bought the club for $323 million in 2000 and Forbes magazine values the club at $410 million now. Also, the Reds, Cardinals and Brewers play in smaller TV markets. They seem to do OK.
This is my take! I would take the Dolans over the Marlins owner in a heartbeat, Yes, I want a championship, but I feel we have a better chance of getting there then having the dolans spend a small fortune... and if it doesn't work, well look at Miami!!!  I do feel we have some good player's, but our problem is we get good player's and lose them to free agency... Cleveland should rebuild to get some young player's, but they shouldn't rebuild unless the Dolans are sure that they don't want to make a run in 2013... If the Dolans are going to make a run next year then, they have to spend the money now... Not Miami Money, but take our payroll up to about 90 million and give out a couple 1 year deals that we can scrap the next year... Ricky Nolasco would be perfect... Signing Jason Bay to a one year deal would be alright... This is what I would do!!!

Choo RF
Victorino LF
Cabrera ss
Bay DH
Santana 1st
Brantley CF
Chisenhall 3rd
Kipnis 2nd
Gomez/Marson C

Starters Masterson, Jimenez, Nolasco, McAllister, Carrasco,
really this lineup gives us about 80 wins, and that will be good for Dolan to not lose any money again. My wife is right ONLY way to get owner to put a decent product on field is to completely boycott the ticket window NOBODY go to like the first TEN games or more, you see Cleveland owners will do JUST enough to put a SHI-- Y team on the filed and thats GOOD ENOUGH to DRAW!! Period, by telling lame AS_ owner NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! buddy, we want a winner PUT UP OR GET OUT!!!! SORRY TEAMS GET NO SUPPORT PERIOD..NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN THOUGH
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:37 PM

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This team could get 80 wins or we could get some pitching and the pitching coach could do his job and we could  be competitive!!! Detriot and Chicago are going to be strong and even if we sign Josh Hamilton, that doesn't give us a chance to win the division... I feel with Victorino and Bay on  our team will be better, but we still need starting pitching... The best offseason move the Dolans could make is to sign Zack Greinke, but I don't expect that to happen and if it does, well we still need alot of help, but we are in a weak division and there are 2 Wild Card spots, you don't even need to win 90 games to make the playoff's...
Deansteel wrote:
casper18837 wrote:
ronfh wrote: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...s-jeffery-loria

One writer's opinion. So it's not just Cle fans saying the Dolans aren't the best.

4. The Dolan family, Indians: Remember when the Indians used to go to the playoffs every year? It wasn't that long ago, but it sure seems like it. The Dolans bought the team in 2000 and the Indians have made the playoffs only once since 2001. They have traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee since then, though. Cry small market if you wish, but Dolan bought the club for $323 million in 2000 and Forbes magazine values the club at $410 million now. Also, the Reds, Cardinals and Brewers play in smaller TV markets. They seem to do OK.
This is my take! I would take the Dolans over the Marlins owner in a heartbeat, Yes, I want a championship, but I feel we have a better chance of getting there then having the dolans spend a small fortune... and if it doesn't work, well look at Miami!!!  I do feel we have some good player's, but our problem is we get good player's and lose them to free agency... Cleveland should rebuild to get some young player's, but they shouldn't rebuild unless the Dolans are sure that they don't want to make a run in 2013... If the Dolans are going to make a run next year then, they have to spend the money now... Not Miami Money, but take our payroll up to about 90 million and give out a couple 1 year deals that we can scrap the next year... Ricky Nolasco would be perfect... Signing Jason Bay to a one year deal would be alright... This is what I would do!!!

Choo RF
Victorino LF
Cabrera ss
Bay DH
Santana 1st
Brantley CF
Chisenhall 3rd
Kipnis 2nd
Gomez/Marson C

Starters Masterson, Jimenez, Nolasco, McAllister, Carrasco,
really this lineup gives us about 80 wins, and that will be good for Dolan to not lose any money again. My wife is right ONLY way to get owner to put a decent product on field is to completely boycott the ticket window NOBODY go to like the first TEN games or more, you see Cleveland owners will do JUST enough to put a SHI-- Y team on the filed and thats GOOD ENOUGH to DRAW!! Period, by telling lame AS_ owner NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! buddy, we want a winner PUT UP OR GET OUT!!!! SORRY TEAMS GET NO SUPPORT PERIOD..NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN THOUGH
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Posted: 11/16/2012 4:08 PM

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DCTribefan wrote:
GopherIndianHybrid wrote: LOL at anyone who would prefer Peter Angelos own the Indians.
Living 60 miles from Baltimore and in their media market, I absolutely concur with GIH.  Angelos sets the standard for worst ownership (although Loria is currently giving him a run for his money).
I think Loria won that hands down, but it's weird to even compare the Dolans to either. 

The Dolan MO is just to break even, not spend, get a management team they believe in, and wait for an opportunity to strike. That's frustrating as hell for a fan base especially when the management team screws something up, but it's average relative to the market they have to work with. 

Angelos took what should be an above average market (not New York, not Boston, maybe not even Philly but strongly above average) and absolutely trashed it. They got a bit lucky this year, but none of the credit is due to Angelos.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 5:08 PM

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GopherIndianHybrid wrote:
DCTribefan wrote:
GopherIndianHybrid wrote: LOL at anyone who would prefer Peter Angelos own the Indians.
Living 60 miles from Baltimore and in their media market, I absolutely concur with GIH.  Angelos sets the standard for worst ownership (although Loria is currently giving him a run for his money).
I think Loria won that hands down, but it's weird to even compare the Dolans to either. 

The Dolan MO is just to break even, not spend, get a management team they believe in, and wait for an opportunity to strike. That's frustrating as hell for a fan base especially when the management team screws something up, but it's average relative to the market they have to work with. 

Angelos took what should be an above average market (not New York, not Boston, maybe not even Philly but strongly above average) and absolutely trashed it. They got a bit lucky this year, but none of the credit is due to Angelos.
I'm not convinced this is the case.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:01 PM

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Fair. But they're seem to me to be spending too much too often to be Jeffrey Loria.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:16 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote: We have been saying exactly that for going on 12 years now. Nothing has changed. Same owner, basically the same FO and of course the same excuses and whining about this being a small market team and yada yada.  
Yep. Same owner, same front office. No reason to think the results will change until those making the failed decisions change.

At this rate, the Marlins will be back in the playoffs before the Tribe. Fire sale & all.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:04 PM

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WahooinAtlanta wrote:
TitoFrancona wrote: We have been saying exactly that for going on 12 years now. Nothing has changed. Same owner, basically the same FO and of course the same excuses and whining about this being a small market team and yada yada.  
Yep. Same owner, same front office. No reason to think the results will change until those making the failed decisions change.

At this rate, the Marlins will be back in the playoffs before the Tribe. Fire sale & all.
The posted that Tito was responding to did say this "century" -- so the team's got 87 years to set it right. Don't think that I'll be around that long, but neither will Dolan...
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