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Chris Perez

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:41 AM

Chris Perez 


Why does everyone think the indians would get any more than maybe a AA arm ranked 10-15 for this guy?

Relievers are a dime a dozen.....he has a bad attitude... makes what six plus million a year?
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:54 AM

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he's a Proven Closer (tm). teams tend to overpay for those
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:46 PM

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JMUplayermike wrote: Why does everyone think the indians would get any more than maybe a AA arm ranked 10-15 for this guy?

Relievers are a dime a dozen.....he has a bad attitude... makes what six plus million a year?

Good relievers are never a dime-a-dozen and good closers are worth a lot - especially to a team that doesn't have one.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 2:30 PM

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I don't see any team picking up his entire salary and giving a top 10 prospect as well....
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Posted: 11/8/2012 2:40 PM

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JMUplayermike wrote: I don't see any team picking up his entire salary and giving a top 10 prospect as well....
I think you under value Perez, Yeah he had a bad second half last year, but the first half he was almost flawless... Alot of player's basically gave up after that first losing streak.... Perez is going to get a decent pay increase, but the yanks are going to give a 43 year old 10 million next year, so Perez is still a bargain... Remember the Kerry Wood deal?
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:25 PM

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The Andrew Bailey deal (Athletics/Red Sox) might be a ballpark comp of his value: a B- and a couple down system prospects with plausible upside.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:29 PM

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JMUplayermike wrote: I don't see any team picking up his entire salary and giving a top 10 prospect as well....

My dream scenario: The Tribe picks up $3M of Perez's salary and gets an excellent prospect for him. (Ala Casey Blake for Carlos Santana)
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Posted: 11/8/2012 5:04 PM

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PPark wrote: The Andrew Bailey deal (Athletics/Red Sox) might be a ballpark comp of his value: a B- and a couple down system prospects with plausible upside.
I think the Andrew Bailey deal is a very good comparison.  They ended with Reddick who was a pretty decent backup OF for Boston in 2011 before breaking out this past year.  If the Indians could find a guy like that in a trade for Perez plus get a couple of lower level prospects, that would be nice.  Wonder if Detroit would deal Dirks in a trade for Perez.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 5:42 PM

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On board for that deal Dirks would plug a hole and we currently have what amounts to 2 closers right now in Perez and Pestano.

Maybe we could snag Aaron Westlake & Curt Casali as the 2 minor league guys in the deal.
BrianBell wrote:
PPark wrote: The Andrew Bailey deal (Athletics/Red Sox) might be a ballpark comp of his value: a B- and a couple down system prospects with plausible upside.
I think the Andrew Bailey deal is a very good comparison.  They ended with Reddick who was a pretty decent backup OF for Boston in 2011 before breaking out this past year.  If the Indians could find a guy like that in a trade for Perez plus get a couple of lower level prospects, that would be nice.  Wonder if Detroit would deal Dirks in a trade for Perez.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:30 PM

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I rather have Bourjos than Dirks.

Detroit can use all three of the Indians most desired pieces-Choo, Perez, and Cabrera.

I might offer all three for Rondon, Garcia, Porcello, and Dirks.
kcatthebat wrote: On board for that deal Dirks would plug a hole and we currently have what amounts to 2 closers right now in Perez and Pestano.

Maybe we could snag Aaron Westlake & Curt Casali as the 2 minor league guys in the deal.
BrianBell wrote:
PPark wrote: The Andrew Bailey deal (Athletics/Red Sox) might be a ballpark comp of his value: a B- and a couple down system prospects with plausible upside.
I think the Andrew Bailey deal is a very good comparison.  They ended with Reddick who was a pretty decent backup OF for Boston in 2011 before breaking out this past year.  If the Indians could find a guy like that in a trade for Perez plus get a couple of lower level prospects, that would be nice.  Wonder if Detroit would deal Dirks in a trade for Perez.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:34 AM

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Great news! The Indians have put themselves in a position where they'll either have to pay Perez 7 million to close or they'll trade him for less than anyone expects!

LGT

Last edited 12/4/2012 9:35 AM by GopherIndianHybrid

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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:01 AM

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GopherIndianHybrid wrote: Great news! The Indians have put themselves in a position where they'll either have to pay Perez 7 million to close or they'll trade him for less than anyone expects!

LGT

Why he wasn't moved last summer remains an enigma and yet another black mark against the Shaponetti regime.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:05 AM

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i suppose the indians could have traded perez a year earlier, and i would have been good with that. but there were decent arguments why that didn't happen.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:10 AM

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He wasn't moved in 2011 because he was a terrible pitcher in 2011, which also hampered efforts to move him in 2012.

One problem is that a lot of Cleveland fans still don't realize how bad a pitcher he was in 2011 - but other GMs and scouts would have.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:16 AM

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JMUplayermike wrote: Why does everyone think the indians would get any more than maybe a AA arm ranked 10-15 for this guy?

Relievers are a dime a dozen.....he has a bad attitude... makes what six plus million a year?
team are made and broken with the bullpen.  Never in the history of modern baseball have good relievers ever been a 'dime a dozen.' rolleyes
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:06 PM

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They are when you can find guys like Pestano that step up year after year....paying 6+ million for a closer when you are mid level to low level spending team is foolish....

Jim Johnson -- Baltimore
Glen Perkins -- Minnesota
Ryan Cook -- Oakland
Tom Wilhelmsen -- Seattle
Casey Jansen - Toronto
Greg Holland -- KC

Those are just ones of the top of my head that cost virtually nothing yet were outstanding in relief.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:44 PM

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CP's true trade value @ winter meetings:

"This is a gigantic piece of **** that has been in our bathroom all day, and so far has survived 2 flushes... it's about the diameter of a pop can.". "This is a gigantic piece of **** that has been in our bathroom all day, and so far has survived 2 flushes... it's about the diameter of a pop can.". Gross, poop »
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:09 AM

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No rumors about perez the past couple weeks... that pretty much sums up his value.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:22 AM

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JMUplayermike wrote: No rumors about perez the past couple weeks... that pretty much sums up his value.
It doesn't sum up his value, what it states is the obvious and that is all of your contenders are already set at the closer position.  That was the only way Perez was going to have value is that some contending team was in great need of a closer.  Nobody is going to trade for Perez to use him as a setup guy and pay him 7 million or so dollars this year in the process.  The only shot the Indians will have at trading Perez is if some team loses their closer like the Giants did last year with Brian Wilson OR if a closer on a contending team completely melts down.  Then and only then will Chris Perez hold any trade value.  I've been saying this for months yet people still believe a team is going to trade for him right now and give us something of value.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:11 PM

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I still see Perez as a fit for the dodgers.
Bill
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