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Asdrubal for Alex Gordon?

Posted: 11/7/2012 5:28 PM

Asdrubal for Alex Gordon? 


Kansas City is looking to open an outfield spot for prospect Wil Myers, and is supposedly looking at trading Alex Gordon. Their primary focus is pitching, however they are allegedly interested in Asdrubal Cabrera.
They would play him at second base, (which is absolutely where he belongs by the way)
Gordon has two more years on a reasonable contract, plus an option year after that.
He has a great arm, and could continue to play left, or replace Choo in right assuming he is dealt.
Only downside I see is that he is a left hand hitter, but hopefully we bring in a RH hitter at first and/or DH for more balance.
This would seem like a pretty even swap to me, which could benefit both teams...
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Posted: 11/7/2012 5:39 PM

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gomerhodge wrote: Kansas City is looking to open an outfield spot for prospect Wil Myers, and is supposedly looking at trading Alex Gordon. Their primary focus is pitching, however they are allegedly interested in Asdrubal Cabrera.
They would play him at second base, (which is absolutely where he belongs by the way)
Gordon has two more years on a reasonable contract, plus an option year after that.
He has a great arm, and could continue to play left, or replace Choo in right assuming he is dealt.
Only downside I see is that he is a left hand hitter, but hopefully we bring in a RH hitter at first and/or DH for more balance.
This would seem like a pretty even swap to me, which could benefit both teams...
While ideally you'd like a right-handed hitter, it's like what a lot of others have said and I have been stubborn enough to not agree with, if you can get a quality bat it doesn't matter if he bats right-handed or left-handed.  Ideally you'd like a right-handed bat, but if you can get Alex Gordon for Cabrera, then you do it.

The only reason I can KC pulling the trigger on such a trade is saving money.  Gordon's actually locked up a year longer than Asdrubal, so that would instantly save them 12.5 million  Gordon is slated to make 19 million total the next 2 years, while Cabrera is slated to make 16.5 million, so the Royals would save another 2.5 million there for a total of 15 million in savings.  This is a deal I'd have no issue with, but I would kinda wonder why the Royals would be looking to save money after picking up Ervin Santana and his hefty contract.  I would also think it would cost a little bit more than just Cabrera to get Gordon who's arguably the centerpiece of their team.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 5:42 PM

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BrianBell wrote:
gomerhodge wrote: Kansas City is looking to open an outfield spot for prospect Wil Myers, and is supposedly looking at trading Alex Gordon. Their primary focus is pitching, however they are allegedly interested in Asdrubal Cabrera.
They would play him at second base, (which is absolutely where he belongs by the way)
Gordon has two more years on a reasonable contract, plus an option year after that.
He has a great arm, and could continue to play left, or replace Choo in right assuming he is dealt.
Only downside I see is that he is a left hand hitter, but hopefully we bring in a RH hitter at first and/or DH for more balance.
This would seem like a pretty even swap to me, which could benefit both teams...
While ideally you'd like a right-handed hitter, it's like what a lot of others have said and I have been stubborn enough to not agree with, if you can get a quality bat it doesn't matter if he bats right-handed or left-handed.  Ideally you'd like a right-handed bat, but if you can get Alex Gordon for Cabrera, then you do it.

The only reason I can KC pulling the trigger on such a trade is saving money.  Gordon's actually locked up a year longer than Asdrubal, so that would instantly save them 12.5 million  Gordon is slated to make 19 million total the next 2 years, while Cabrera is slated to make 16.5 million, so the Royals would save another 2.5 million there for a total of 15 million in savings.  This is a deal I'd have no issue with, but I would kinda wonder why the Royals would be looking to save money after picking up Ervin Santana and his hefty contract.  I would also think it would cost a little bit more than just Cabrera to get Gordon who's arguably the centerpiece of their team.
They have Alcides Escobar to play SS.   If they trade Gordon it will be for cost controlled SP.  If the Rays offered KC Hellickson  for  Gordon  for example...
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:18 AM

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rays should/would make that trade.

rumor is cards interested in cabrera. if we can get shelby miller back, i'm happy sticking aviles at SS and miller in the rotation. kid has great peripherals and results, and was very, very in a limited MLB debut this year. just 22.

http://www.baseball-reference....id=miller002she
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:52 AM

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How long is Furcal out?
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:27 AM

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buddy34 wrote: rumor is cards interested in cabrera. if we can get shelby miller back, i'm happy sticking aviles at SS and miller in the rotation. kid has great peripherals and results, and was very, very in a limited MLB debut this year. just 22.

http://www.baseball-reference....id=miller002she

Don't know if they'd part with Miller.  They also have Rosenthal, who has a lot of upside IMO.  This may be a good fit for both sides.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:56 AM

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I feel if cleveland trades Cabrera, they better get 4 top prospects for him... We don't need to trade him!!!
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:12 AM

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casper18837 wrote: I feel if cleveland trades Cabrera, they better get 4 top prospects for him... We don't need to trade him!!!

They didn't get 4 top prospects for 2 Cy Young winners.

I like A-Cab, but I think you're way overvaluing him.  Besides, the Tribe isn't winning with or without A-Cab before 2015 & he'll be gone by then even if they don't trade him.

May as well see if they can get a few good prospects for him now & pull the trigger if they can. I'd rather see Aviles play short in 2013 knowing we had a bit of hope for the future.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:53 AM

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depends on the pitcher. if he's highly ranked and ready for the majors, that would probably be best-case return on cabrera. if you're willing to roll the dice a little, you could probably get a couple of guys lower ranked or lower in their system.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:11 PM

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WahooinAtlanta wrote:
casper18837 wrote: I feel if cleveland trades Cabrera, they better get 4 top prospects for him... We don't need to trade him!!!

They didn't get 4 top prospects for 2 Cy Young winners.

I like A-Cab, but I think you're way overvaluing him.  Besides, the Tribe isn't winning with or without A-Cab before 2015 & he'll be gone by then even if they don't trade him.

May as well see if they can get a few good prospects for him now & pull the trigger if they can. I'd rather see Aviles play short in 2013 knowing we had a bit of hope for the future.
I agree. There's not a chance in hell they get 4 top prospect for Cabrera. My guess is they can get 1 top prospect and maybe a mid-range prospect.

Of course, it always is subjective to how one defines top prospect.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:49 PM

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If we can't get atleast 2 top prospects and 2 above average prospects there is no reason to trade Cabrera... We have him under control for 2 more year's and he's the best available player on the trading block... I never thought that Shapiro recieved enough for Lee and Sabathia; Cleveland don't need to trade him so we shouldn't unless it's for a couple very good prospects....
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:00 PM

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casper18837 wrote: If we can't get atleast 2 top prospects and 2 above average prospects there is no reason to trade Cabrera... We have him under control for 2 more year's and he's the best available player on the trading block... I never thought that Shapiro recieved enough for Lee and Sabathia; Cleveland don't need to trade him so we shouldn't unless it's for a couple very good prospects....

They won't get anywhere near that, so if they keep him as you're suggesting, they watch him walk at the end of 2014.

If the Tribe had any chance of making the playoffs before his contract was up, I may agree with you, but they don't.  This team is full of holes with no $ to spend.

They can either trade their chips now & try to build a decent team for 2015-2020 or they can continue doing what they've done for the last few years & become the new version of the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:10 PM

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I've listened to rumor's and Cabrera is getting HUGE interest and the Cards want him bad, so we could get a very good return for Cabrera, something like what we recieved in the Sizemore trade about a decade ago... Boston want's Choo and Masterson! If Anton scr*ws this up, then god help us....
WahooinAtlanta wrote:
casper18837 wrote: If we can't get atleast 2 top prospects and 2 above average prospects there is no reason to trade Cabrera... We have him under control for 2 more year's and he's the best available player on the trading block... I never thought that Shapiro recieved enough for Lee and Sabathia; Cleveland don't need to trade him so we shouldn't unless it's for a couple very good prospects....

They won't get anywhere near that, so if they keep him as you're suggesting, they watch him walk at the end of 2014.

If the Tribe had any chance of making the playoffs before his contract was up, I may agree with you, but they don't.  This team is full of holes with no $ to spend.

They can either trade their chips now & try to build a decent team for 2015-2020 or they can continue doing what they've done for the last few years & become the new version of the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 1:15 PM

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casper18837 wrote: I've listened to rumor's and Cabrera is getting HUGE interest and the Cards want him bad, so we could get a very good return for Cabrera, something like what we recieved in the Sizemore trade about a decade ago... Boston want's Choo and Masterson!
If we could get something like what we received for Colon, I'd trade A-Cab & throw in Masterson & Choo for good measure.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:03 PM

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one of the philosophies the indians used in previous trades was getting quantity. they know a certain percentage of prospects never pan out, so they tried to go the safe route and get multiple players in hopes that one or more would make it. worked great in the colon trade, not nearly as well in the lee and sabathia trades.

wonder if they might be rethinking that.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:53 PM

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What people forget was that at the time of the Bartolo Colon trade, Brandon Phillips was really the only "top prospect" in the trade.  Grady Sizemore was a A-Ball prospect at the time and Cliff Lee had just made the move from A-Ball to Double-A and wasn't even ranked in Baseball America's top 100 for 2002.  It was only after several years down the line that this trade looked like highway robbery.

As for Cabrera, if the Cardinals want him badly enough, Shelby Miller is a must for the trade.  Problem is though, I doubt they trade him.  Lohse is 33 and is a free agent.  Carpenter is 37 and has had injury issues.  While Westbrook is solid, he's 34.  Wainwright is 30.  Yeah they have Lance Lynn, Jaime Garcia and Joe Kelly all of whom are 25 or younger, but the rest of that rotation is getting old and not very reliable.  Shelby Miller is 21.  I seriously doubt the Cards would deal him for Cabrera.  Carlos Martinez might be a more realistic option as he is still a top prospect, but is still a little bit away from being major league ready.  Oscar Taveras would also interest me as an OF prospect.  Don't get me wrong if the Cards are willing and able to trade Shelby Miller, I do it in a heartbeat.  It's just that I have my doubts he'd be available in a deal for Cabrera.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 5:59 PM

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BrianBell wrote: What people forget was that at the time of the Bartolo Colon trade, Brandon Phillips was really the only "top prospect" in the trade.  Grady Sizemore was a A-Ball prospect at the time and Cliff Lee had just made the move from A-Ball to Double-A and wasn't even ranked in Baseball America's top 100 for 2002.  It was only after several years down the line that this trade looked like highway robbery.

As for Cabrera, if the Cardinals want him badly enough, Shelby Miller is a must for the trade.  Problem is though, I doubt they trade him.  Lohse is 33 and is a free agent.  Carpenter is 37 and has had injury issues.  While Westbrook is solid, he's 34.  Wainwright is 30.  Yeah they have Lance Lynn, Jaime Garcia and Joe Kelly all of whom are 25 or younger, but the rest of that rotation is getting old and not very reliable.  Shelby Miller is 21.  I seriously doubt the Cards would deal him for Cabrera.  Carlos Martinez might be a more realistic option as he is still a top prospect, but is still a little bit away from being major league ready.  Oscar Taveras would also interest me as an OF prospect.  Don't get me wrong if the Cards are willing and able to trade Shelby Miller, I do it in a heartbeat.  It's just that I have my doubts he'd be available in a deal for Cabrera.

As I recall, Grady was the player that everybody on this board at the time were hyped up on. And I also recall that most everybody viewed Cliff as a solid MOR type prospect.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 6:33 PM

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Tell STL we want Craig and Miller...tongue

I'd take Craig for Droobs...he is a hitting machine
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Posted: 11/8/2012 7:22 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote:
BrianBell wrote: What people forget was that at the time of the Bartolo Colon trade, Brandon Phillips was really the only "top prospect" in the trade.  Grady Sizemore was a A-Ball prospect at the time and Cliff Lee had just made the move from A-Ball to Double-A and wasn't even ranked in Baseball America's top 100 for 2002.  It was only after several years down the line that this trade looked like highway robbery.

As for Cabrera, if the Cardinals want him badly enough, Shelby Miller is a must for the trade.  Problem is though, I doubt they trade him.  Lohse is 33 and is a free agent.  Carpenter is 37 and has had injury issues.  While Westbrook is solid, he's 34.  Wainwright is 30.  Yeah they have Lance Lynn, Jaime Garcia and Joe Kelly all of whom are 25 or younger, but the rest of that rotation is getting old and not very reliable.  Shelby Miller is 21.  I seriously doubt the Cards would deal him for Cabrera.  Carlos Martinez might be a more realistic option as he is still a top prospect, but is still a little bit away from being major league ready.  Oscar Taveras would also interest me as an OF prospect.  Don't get me wrong if the Cards are willing and able to trade Shelby Miller, I do it in a heartbeat.  It's just that I have my doubts he'd be available in a deal for Cabrera.

As I recall, Grady was the player that everybody on this board at the time were hyped up on. And I also recall that most everybody viewed Cliff as a solid MOR type prospect.
I highly doubt that.  Remember this is 2002 we're talking about.  Sizemore was 19 at the time and had completed a couple of so-so years of rookie level ball in 2000 and low-A ball in 2001.  He was also struggling to the tune of a .699 OPS at high A ball at the time of the trade.  Sizemore was never known as a "top prospect" until 2 years later when he ranked 9th on Baseball America's top 100.  Sizemore was not considered a top prospect at the time of the trade, he was merely a throw-in.  Phillips was always the centerpiece of that trade.  He was ranked as the 20th overall prospect by Baseball America coming into that season and was smoking the ball at an .886 OPS clip in Double-A before moving to Triple-A for a couple weeks before the trade was made.  Phillips was considered a 5-tool prospect, able to hit for average and power, good plate discipline, good speed and a good glove.  No way anyone on this forum would have been more hyped to get Sizemore than Phillips.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 7:44 PM

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BrianBell wrote:
I highly doubt that.  Remember this is 2002 we're talking about.  Sizemore was 19 at the time and had completed a couple of so-so years of rookie level ball in 2000 and low-A ball in 2001.  He was also struggling to the tune of a .699 OPS at high A ball at the time of the trade.  Sizemore was never known as a "top prospect" until 2 years later when he ranked 9th on Baseball America's top 100.  Sizemore was not considered a top prospect at the time of the trade, he was merely a throw-in.  Phillips was always the centerpiece of that trade.  He was ranked as the 20th overall prospect by Baseball America coming into that season and was smoking the ball at an .886 OPS clip in Double-A before moving to Triple-A for a couple weeks before the trade was made.  Phillips was considered a 5-tool prospect, able to hit for average and power, good plate discipline, good speed and a good glove.  No way anyone on this forum would have been more hyped to get Sizemore than Phillips.
Obviously Phillips was the key player in the deal. That didn't need to be pointed out. But if you don't recall people on this forum being excited about Grady, then you're memory is not serving you well.
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