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Dusty Baker extended til 2014

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Posted: 10/15/2012 1:23 PM

Dusty Baker extended til 2014 


# Reds and Dusty Baker have agreed to terms on a 2-year contract extension through the 2014 season, the team announced.

Personally, I'm thrilled. I know the haters will be mad. 

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Posted: 10/15/2012 2:14 PM

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I think the players are happy, which really is most important. I think that drives them to perform to the best of their abilities. That said, he made a lot of questionable calls in the playoffs that had me wondering if he has what it takes to take a team deep into the postseason.

I'm fine with it, just not ecstatic. Hopefully Stubbs isn't back next year, because if he is, you know Dusty's ready to see him in center for 150 games.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 2:49 PM

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If true, our only salvation will be if Walt removes some of the poorer chess pieces and replaces them with better ones so that many of the choices Dusty makes will have to be better ones. Otherwise I'm now in full depression mode as the only glimmer of hope I had from last week's meltdown has been crushed.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 2:54 PM

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IamRV wrote: If true, our only salvation will be if Walt removes some of the poorer chess pieces and replaces them with better ones 
That's been the problem all along. Too many holes in this batting lineup.

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Posted: 10/15/2012 3:53 PM

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As long as Stubbs gives the "pictures" when he leaves to someone like Votto who doesn't need em to start then I am good.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 4:00 PM

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I'm no Dusty fan, but what else was out there?  Jim Tracy?  Sure, it would have been a good story hiring an Ohio boy, but is he really an upgrade?  Bottom line, the big fish (Francona) was taken off the market before the Reds' season ended and everything else would have been a crapshoot.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 4:07 PM

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Not unexpected. Had to go 2 yrs or else Dusty would have been lame duck and probably not accepted offer.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 4:22 PM

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Sad & pathetic
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Posted: 10/15/2012 5:49 PM

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Hope they do good.  Good luck to them.  I have lost interest and I have also lost faith in the Cincinnati Front office


 

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Posted: 10/15/2012 8:38 PM

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2001MUgrad wrote: Hope they do good.  Good luck to them.  I have lost interest and I have also lost faith in the Cincinnati Front office
You are certainly entitled to your opinion as it's your time and your money you spend on the Reds, but can I ask why?  We are less than a week into the offseason and the only thing they've done thus far is re-sign the manager whom the players love and respect while providing stability to an organization that hasn't had the same manager for more than 5 years since Sparky Anderson in the 70's.  Like I said before, I'm no Dusty fan, but by no means am I giving up on the Reds because they re-signed him
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Posted: 10/15/2012 9:42 PM

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Ultimately, the question Castellini should have asked himself instead of basing his decision on sentiment, can Dusty Baker take this team to the promised land?  To this point, always a bridesmaid, never a bride.  Will that change in the next two years?  Doesn't matter what we think, Big Bob seems to think so.   I just hope that means he is willing to open the purse strings some more this off-season to fill the remaining holes that we all see in this team.

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Posted: 10/15/2012 10:09 PM

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It seems to me that from Big Bob's pov, extending Dusty is the fair thing, the right thing to do for an employee who has by and large done what was asked of him.

It also seems to me that sports has gotten a lot more cutthroat in the past few decades and such loyalty can often hinder the progression of a franchise (as Mardigan alluded to).


Think of it this way: Buck Showalter was fired by the Yankees and Diamondbacks after having "turned the culture" at each spot by making the playoffs at each. Would either have won the WS had they kept him? Who knows, but the reality is Buck has still not won (or gotten to) a WS, and now has another non-WS winning playoff team to add to his list.

Dusty probably deserves the chance, but most teams would not have given it to him. FWIW, I (quite obviously) want the Reds to win the WS in the worst way. But it would be especially cool to see the type of old school loyalty and decency diplayed by Big Bob rewarded with a Championship -- for both him and Dusty.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 10:29 PM

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mardigan wrote:   I just hope that means he is willing to open the purse strings some more this off-season to fill the remaining holes that we all see in this team.
I really hope so. Let's face it, we have holes that we cannot fill with minor league players right now. We sorely need a leadoff hitter. As much as I want Hamilton on the team next year, no way do they give him the CF job having not played the position. I would like an improvement at the #5 spot in the rotation, just in case Arroyo implodes next year or we get another playoff injury to a starter, something like that.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 6:25 AM

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TauBag94 wrote: It seems to me that from Big Bob's pov, extending Dusty is the fair thing, the right thing to do for an employee who has by and large done what was asked of him.

It also seems to me that sports has gotten a lot more cutthroat in the past few decades and such loyalty can often hinder the progression of a franchise (as Mardigan alluded to).


Think of it this way: Buck Showalter was fired by the Yankees and Diamondbacks after having "turned the culture" at each spot by making the playoffs at each. Would either have won the WS had they kept him? Who knows, but the reality is Buck has still not won (or gotten to) a WS, and now has another non-WS winning playoff team to add to his list.

Dusty probably deserves the chance, but most teams would not have given it to him. FWIW, I (quite obviously) want the Reds to win the WS in the worst way. But it would be especially cool to see the type of old school loyalty and decency diplayed by Big Bob rewarded with a Championship -- for both him and Dusty.
Not to mention, Dusty is a big time "player's manager".  The players love him.  Look at what happened in Boston.  The players loved Terry Francona.  He was unceremoniously let go and after Bobby Valentine was brought in there was more or less a player's mutiny.  Yes, I know that was an extreme case because they had completely opposite styles but even little stuff can throw guys off.  What if the new guy tells Phillips to "cool it" on Twitter? Changes or gets rid of the music in the clubhouse?  Even little things can disrupt a team.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:51 AM

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2001MUgrad wrote: Hope they do good.  Good luck to them.  I have lost interest and I have also lost faith in the Cincinnati Front office
You are certainly entitled to your opinion as it's your time and your money you spend on the Reds, but can I ask why?  We are less than a week into the offseason and the only thing they've done thus far is re-sign the manager whom the players love and respect while providing stability to an organization that hasn't had the same manager for more than 5 years since Sparky Anderson in the 70's.  Like I said before, I'm no Dusty fan, but by no means am I giving up on the Reds because they re-signed him
All Reds media is wanting to compare Dusty to Reds managers since 1995 and that is not a fair comparison.  Much of that time was straddled with Bowden's 5 tool guys and no pitching.  No manager had a chance in Cincinnati.  Although didn't McKeon get run out of town because a certain Super Star didn't like him?

This team has a group of pitchers perhaps unmatched in the history of the organization yet it will be largely wasted IMO as he has been wasted since Dusty got here.

Let us NOT forget what he did to Harang and Volquez.  And yes he did, don't even argue that it wasn't his fault.   Also, I read something the other day I didn't remember, and not that it maters but last year leaving Carlos Fisher out to throw 95 pitches in relief only to pitch him again 2 days later.  I know Fisher was a scrub, but still. 

Put it like this.  If the Reds hadn't re-signed Dusty.  Do you really honestly think any other team in MLB would have hired him ever again? 

Its okay to give credit where it is do.  Dusty has seen the Reds to the post season twice in his 4 years.  Good job.  But, if we are going to give him credit for that let's also blame him for the just horrible performance in 2010 and the epic choke job in 2012. 

Honestly I predict 2013 to be a lot like 2011 was for the Reds there will probably be a couple injuries that allows people to blame injuries on the losses and not the manager, but because he is on a 2 year contract there is no way the Reds eat a year, so he is guaranteed to be back for 2014 even if they win 50 games. 


His in game decisions in July are horrible and its even more horrible in the playoffs.  There is a reason the man hasn't won anything as a manager. 

Much of the credit to the Reds success over the past 4 years goes to a man not even with the organization anymore.  Wayne Krivsky is responsible for turning around the culture of the Cincinnati Reds where it matters in the farm system.  He made a horrible trade with the Hamilton for Volquez but outside of that, brilliant what he did.  And he was rewarded with being fired.


 

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Posted: 10/16/2012 11:51 AM

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^Trading Hamilton for Volquez should get you fired. one of the worst trades in all my years of watching the Reds. And the only person to blame for Volquez's failures is himself for using PEDs and not actually knowing how to pitch.

I can accept that he handled Harang in a bad way. I won't argue that.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 5:01 PM

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All I have to say is I am VERY UNHAPPY about this. Of course the players wanted him back. He doesn't hold them accountable. Don't hustle to first? That is okay. Can't hit? That is okay. As long as I like you and you are a veteran you will play. This team has so much talent and yet he hasn't won one playoff series as our manager.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 6:47 PM

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2001MUgrad wrote: All Reds media is wanting to compare Dusty to Reds managers since 1995 and that is not a fair comparison.  Much of that time was straddled with Bowden's 5 tool guys and no pitching.  No manager had a chance in Cincinnati.  Although didn't McKeon get run out of town because a certain Super Star didn't like him? 

This team has a group of pitchers perhaps unmatched in the history of the organization yet it will be largely wasted IMO as he has been wasted since Dusty got here.

Let us NOT forget what he did to Harang and Volquez.  And yes he did, don't even argue that it wasn't his fault.   Also, I read something the other day I didn't remember, and not that it maters but last year leaving Carlos Fisher out to throw 95 pitches in relief only to pitch him again 2 days later.  I know Fisher was a scrub, but still. 

Put it like this.  If the Reds hadn't re-signed Dusty.  Do you really honestly think any other team in MLB would have hired him ever again? 

Its okay to give credit where it is do.  Dusty has seen the Reds to the post season twice in his 4 years.  Good job.  But, if we are going to give him credit for that let's also blame him for the just horrible performance in 2010 and the epic choke job in 2012. 

Honestly I predict 2013 to be a lot like 2011 was for the Reds there will probably be a couple injuries that allows people to blame injuries on the losses and not the manager, but because he is on a 2 year contract there is no way the Reds eat a year, so he is guaranteed to be back for 2014 even if they win 50 games. 

His in game decisions in July are horrible and its even more horrible in the playoffs.  There is a reason the man hasn't won anything as a manager. 

Much of the credit to the Reds success over the past 4 years goes to a man not even with the organization anymore.  Wayne Krivsky is responsible for turning around the culture of the Cincinnati Reds where it matters in the farm system.  He made a horrible trade with the Hamilton for Volquez but outside of that, brilliant what he did.  And he was rewarded with being fired.
Like I said, I don't agree with Dusty's game management or lineups.  And if the organization decides to sit pat, shame on them.

I think you are giving a little too much credit to Krivsky.  Of the 26 players who played for the Reds in the playoffs, 14 of them were acquired by Jocketty (Latos, Leake, Simon, Arredondo, Hoover, Marshall, Broxton, Chapman, Ludwick, Rolen, Navarro, Cairo, Valdez, Paul), 6 of them by Krivsky (Arroyo, Phillips, Cozart, Stubbs, Frazier, Heisey) and 6 of them by Dan O'Brien (Cueto, Bailey, LeCure, Votto, Bruce, Hanigan).  Not to mention Jocketty also drafted Billy Hamilton.  Krivsky did help change the culture of the Reds, but could it have been worse than when he got here?
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Posted: 10/16/2012 7:05 PM

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I've pretty much accepted that Dusty is good overall during the regular season....but his playoff record leaves a lot to be desired. The playoffs are where the big boys are separated from the guys that are just riding the wave.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 7:28 PM

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I can't stand this miserable idiot, terrible signing. We need someone in here who isn't afraid to put the better player in the lineup.
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