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Re: Changes for 2013

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Posted: 10/20/2012 2:35 PM

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I bet his innings cap would be around 160-170. If that's the case, let's do the math. He could start 30 games and average 5 innings per outing. That would give him 150, with some to spare for the playoffs. Keep a couple long relief guys in the pen (i.e. LeCure, Simon, maybe sign another one) that can help him.

It's not that hard to manage his innings better than the Nats did with Strasburg.
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Posted: 10/20/2012 11:46 PM

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Exactly. All that needs to happen is for the Reds to skip him a few starts over the course of the season. The Nats were idiots the way they handled Strasburg; I think the GM backed himself into a corner and wasn't man enough to admit his mistake. Strasburg would probably have made the difference in the Nats getting past the Cards.
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Posted: 10/22/2012 6:16 PM

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How does everyone feel about Ubaldo Jimenez?  He was terrible last season in Cleveland and his option may not be picked up.  He may be able to be had on the cheap since he was SO bad last year.  Rumor has it, he has a serious mechanical flaw (http://www.hardballtimes.com/m...chanics-review/) that can be fixed.  Bring him into spring training on a cheap, incentive laden deal with a team option for next year with plans to make him the 5th starter.  If he can't be fixed, DFA him and move on.  However, if he does work out, you have a 3rd Ace on your staff on the cheap.  I'm confident that with Cueto's funky wind up and Chapman's long limbed complicated delivery that Price will be able to work with Jimenez and get him back to where he needs to be.

Once again, as is the case with my other ideas, this is a longshot as another team may be willing to go multiple years with him and roll the dice.  But these are the types of "out of the box" ideas this front office is going to need to improve this roster with the lack of funds available this offseason.
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Posted: 10/22/2012 7:29 PM

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DCillini wrote: Exactly. All that needs to happen is for the Reds to skip him a few starts over the course of the season. The Nats were idiots the way they handled Strasburg; I think the GM backed himself into a corner and wasn't man enough to admit his mistake. Strasburg would probably have made the difference in the Nats getting past the Cards.

And wouldn't Leake, with his ability to hit and to run, be the perfect "extra" starter to compliment this strategy?  I realize Leake has some bad splits in relief, but it is a small sample size.  In theory, at least, he would be the perfect long man due to his ability to throw strikes and his previously mentioned general versatility.  Throw Leake every 4th time instead of Chapman and voila, you have a 25% reduction in innings and can use both in the playoffs as needed.


And if not for the ignore button, I'd let somebody know that i agree with taking a flyer on Jimenez.  But then again anybody who takes my posts seriously enough to get that worked up clearly never clicked on the earlier link to Roadhouse fun nor ever really paid enough attention to undestand anyway... tongue
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Posted: 10/25/2012 1:59 PM

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http://cincinnati.com/blogs/re...gerial-vacancy/

Sounds like Price is on their list for manager.

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Posted: 10/25/2012 4:59 PM

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wolfpack87 wrote: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/re...gerial-vacancy/

Sounds like Price is on their list for manager.
Good for him.  Although, if I were him, I would probably do the interview for the experience but ultimately decline.  Maybe it's just the Reds fan in me talking but the Miami Marlins are not a franchise I would want to hook myself up with.  Even if he goes in and wins immediately, this is a franchise that has TWICE blown up a World Series champion, a franchise that funded a new stadium under very suspicious circumstances and a franchise that fired Joe Girardi after winning manager of the year going 78-84 with a $14M payroll because Girardi had to tell the owner to stop harassing the umpire during a game.

If the Reds continue pitching well, this won't be his last opportunity for a head coaching gig.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 7:12 PM

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How about taking a flyer on the Melk-man?

I realize many of his stats might have been roid inflated, but I thought the same about Ryan Braun. He is still in his prime and can be had for cheap.... A 1 yr deal with a club or mutual option for about $4million probably fits the Reds budget.

Face it, the bughet likely won't allow for more than $5million on a FA outfielder -- who else might be decent at that price?
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Posted: 10/26/2012 12:40 AM

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Even with the roid bust Melky will go for far more than 4 mill. I'd guess around 9.
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Posted: 10/28/2012 7:49 PM

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Actually, I just read an article in which various unnamed baseball executives were speculating that the Mets or Phillies may be able to get Cabrera for a very 1st year back reasonable $2-5 million. If that is the case then I would think the Reds with the team being on the threshold of greatness might be a very reasonable player for Melky. Also, with WJ's proclivity for acquiring former Cardinals, might the Reds be interested in a rehabilitated Lance Berkman for LF. Given his knee issues I would bet he could be signed for under $5 million. Not suggesting that that is a smart move - just don't know how healthy his knee could be by next season. Still, his bat has always been a crusher against the Reds, it would be nice to have it on our side for once.

However, if Ludwick could be signed for two years at about $12-14 million total, I still think that is the safest move to make.
UCbengal985 wrote: Even with the roid bust Melky will go for far more than 4 mill. I'd guess around 9.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 6:02 PM

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Price removes name from consideration for Marlins job...

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports....manager-search/

Great News
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Posted: 11/3/2012 8:21 AM

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What about frazier.stubbs and leake for david wright? I like frazier but wright would turn our lineup into gang busters. By the end of the year our lineup could be. Hamilton.bp.votto.wright.bruce.ludwick.cozart.hann agan.

I didnt see this in the other thread. I just saw he may be available didnt know he was a one year man so u dont trade frazier. David wright is one player i feel no team unless you have the next chipper jones in double a can not inquire about. He is a young scott rolen. He think he would absolutely kill pitching batting between bruce and votto. With the moves walt has made in the last few years leads me to believe and hope he is reincarnating the big red machine.

Last edited 11/3/2012 8:34 AM by mattd149

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Posted: 11/4/2012 2:44 PM

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The question isn't would the Reds do it, but why would the Mets trade him for those 3 guys?


mattd149 wrote: What about frazier.stubbs and leake for david wright? I like frazier but wright would turn our lineup into gang busters. By the end of the year our lineup could be. Hamilton.bp.votto.wright.bruce.ludwick.cozart.hann agan.

I didnt see this in the other thread. I just saw he may be available didnt know he was a one year man so u dont trade frazier. David wright is one player i feel no team unless you have the next chipper jones in double a can not inquire about. He is a young scott rolen. He think he would absolutely kill pitching batting between bruce and votto. With the moves walt has made in the last few years leads me to believe and hope he is reincarnating the big red machine.
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Posted: 11/4/2012 3:57 PM

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Might get him for less. The word was they are not sure they can resign him after tgis year. So he is supposedly available and the talking heads have the reds as a possible suitor
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Posted: 11/4/2012 4:34 PM

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I know.  I just don't see why the Mets would trade him for those 3 guys.  Maybe they value them more than I do, but there is no way I would trade Wright for those 3 guys.


mattd149 wrote: Might get him for less. The word was they are not sure they can resign him after tgis year. So he is supposedly available and the talking heads have the reds as a possible suitor
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:16 PM

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Am very late to the party with this thread, but...

  • When Stubbs is in the line-up, he would NEVER hit higher than 7th in the order.  Dusty continues to try to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stubbs has proven repeatedly (minors and majors) that he's more productive when hitting down the order. Cannot explain why, it just IS.
  • Leake, Cingrani, Corcino, and Redmond would be 4/5 of the rotation in Louisville to start the season. Time with Ted Power can only help them grow.
  • Unless injured, Hanigan is behind the plate when Bailey pitches. The combo just works.
  • Re-name Rick Sweet as the manager in Louisville.
  • Instruct Jay Bruce (during spring training) to drive pitches on the outside corner to LF. Smart pitchers (and scouts) knowing he's going to try to pull are taking advantage.
  • Sign Walt Jocketty, Bryan Price, and Chris Buckley to long-term contracts.
  • Assign Billy Hamilton to Joe Morgan (his personal base-running coach) during the month of March.
  • Get Latos and Bailey extended through their first two FA years.
  • Get Ludwick signed.
  • Trade for a centerfielder who can platoon with Stubbs and lead-off...without giving up our young pitching prospects, Hamilton, or DiDi.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:47 PM

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FiestaBuckeye wrote: Am very late to the party with this thread, but...

  • When Stubbs is in the line-up, he would NEVER hit higher than 7th in the order.  Dusty continues to try to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stubbs has proven repeatedly (minors and majors) that he's more productive when hitting down the order. Cannot explain why, it just IS.
  • Leake, Cingrani, Corcino, and Redmond would be 4/5 of the rotation in Louisville to start the season. Time with Ted Power can only help them grow.
  • Unless injured, Hanigan is behind the plate when Bailey pitches. The combo just works.
  • Re-name Rick Sweet as the manager in Louisville.
  • Instruct Jay Bruce (during spring training) to drive pitches on the outside corner to LF. Smart pitchers (and scouts) knowing he's going to try to pull are taking advantage.
  • Sign Walt Jocketty, Bryan Price, and Chris Buckley to long-term contracts.
  • Assign Billy Hamilton to Joe Morgan (his personal base-running coach) during the month of March.
  • Get Latos and Bailey extended through their first two FA years.
  • Get Ludwick signed.
  • Trade for a centerfielder who can platoon with Stubbs and lead-off...without giving up our young pitching prospects, Hamilton, or DiDi.

All very reasonable except the last.  Well, getting both Latos and Bailey thru 2 yrs of FA might be a pipedream too, but I share it with you.


Did you see what the Twins got for both Span and Revere?  Young pitching, and lots of it.  We don't get anything of value without giving up at least 1 young pitcher (Corcino or Cingrani or even Leake).

Prob better to dumster dive and find a post-injury or post-hype guy like we have done for a few years with power guys like Gomes, Nix, now Ludwick. 

Frankly, with more and more "spots" in CF being taken, maybe the Reds can luck into a Bourn "pillow contract" and get a better return than we did with Madson (that was more a pillow over the face for the team).
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Posted: 12/7/2012 5:41 AM

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TauBag94 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Am very late to the party with this thread, but...

  • When Stubbs is in the line-up, he would NEVER hit higher than 7th in the order.  Dusty continues to try to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stubbs has proven repeatedly (minors and majors) that he's more productive when hitting down the order. Cannot explain why, it just IS.
  • Leake, Cingrani, Corcino, and Redmond would be 4/5 of the rotation in Louisville to start the season. Time with Ted Power can only help them grow.
  • Unless injured, Hanigan is behind the plate when Bailey pitches. The combo just works.
  • Re-name Rick Sweet as the manager in Louisville.
  • Instruct Jay Bruce (during spring training) to drive pitches on the outside corner to LF. Smart pitchers (and scouts) knowing he's going to try to pull are taking advantage.
  • Sign Walt Jocketty, Bryan Price, and Chris Buckley to long-term contracts.
  • Assign Billy Hamilton to Joe Morgan (his personal base-running coach) during the month of March.
  • Get Latos and Bailey extended through their first two FA years.
  • Get Ludwick signed.
  • Trade for a centerfielder who can platoon with Stubbs and lead-off...without giving up our young pitching prospects, Hamilton, or DiDi.

All very reasonable except the last.  Well, getting both Latos and Bailey thru 2 yrs of FA might be a pipedream too, but I share it with you.


Did you see what the Twins got for both Span and Revere?  Young pitching, and lots of it.  We don't get anything of value without giving up at least 1 young pitcher (Corcino or Cingrani or even Leake).

Prob better to dumster dive and find a post-injury or post-hype guy like we have done for a few years with power guys like Gomes, Nix, now Ludwick. 

Frankly, with more and more "spots" in CF being taken, maybe the Reds can luck into a Bourn "pillow contract" and get a better return than we did with Madson (that was more a pillow over the face for the team).
Grady Sizemore for a year? I don't know if there's anything left in the tank or not, just throwing it out there.  Lot's of health issues.

He does a lot of swing-n-missing, and we already have too much of that in our line-up.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 6:15 AM

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FiestaBuckeye wrote:
TauBag94 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Am very late to the party with this thread, but...

  • When Stubbs is in the line-up, he would NEVER hit higher than 7th in the order.  Dusty continues to try to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stubbs has proven repeatedly (minors and majors) that he's more productive when hitting down the order. Cannot explain why, it just IS.
  • Leake, Cingrani, Corcino, and Redmond would be 4/5 of the rotation in Louisville to start the season. Time with Ted Power can only help them grow.
  • Unless injured, Hanigan is behind the plate when Bailey pitches. The combo just works.
  • Re-name Rick Sweet as the manager in Louisville.
  • Instruct Jay Bruce (during spring training) to drive pitches on the outside corner to LF. Smart pitchers (and scouts) knowing he's going to try to pull are taking advantage.
  • Sign Walt Jocketty, Bryan Price, and Chris Buckley to long-term contracts.
  • Assign Billy Hamilton to Joe Morgan (his personal base-running coach) during the month of March.
  • Get Latos and Bailey extended through their first two FA years.
  • Get Ludwick signed.
  • Trade for a centerfielder who can platoon with Stubbs and lead-off...without giving up our young pitching prospects, Hamilton, or DiDi.

All very reasonable except the last.  Well, getting both Latos and Bailey thru 2 yrs of FA might be a pipedream too, but I share it with you.


Did you see what the Twins got for both Span and Revere?  Young pitching, and lots of it.  We don't get anything of value without giving up at least 1 young pitcher (Corcino or Cingrani or even Leake).

Prob better to dumster dive and find a post-injury or post-hype guy like we have done for a few years with power guys like Gomes, Nix, now Ludwick. 

Frankly, with more and more "spots" in CF being taken, maybe the Reds can luck into a Bourn "pillow contract" and get a better return than we did with Madson (that was more a pillow over the face for the team).
Grady Sizemore for a year? I don't know if there's anything left in the tank or not, just throwing it out there.  Lot's of health issues.

He does a lot of swing-n-missing, and we already have too much of that in our line-up.
Sizemore just had microfracture surgery in his "good" knee, so he's out at least until midseason.

Another interesting name with Jocketty ties is Rick Ankiel, if we have to go bargain hunting.  He also falls into the swinging and missing category and is not a big on base guy but he did have a .736 OPS against Righties last year and combined with Stubbs' .788 OPS against Lefties, you could have one pretty useful player considering their defensive prowless.  Not a great player by any means and I wouldn't want to go into the season with Ankiel in LF and Stubbs in CF but as a platoon, I'd take it.
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