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Trade idea from a Yankee fan

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Posted: 10/9/2012 2:36 PM

Trade idea from a Yankee fan 


Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs

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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:01 PM

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karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
Pass. I don't have that much faith in Hughes, Chamberlain is nothing compared to what he was, and Gardner is nothing special. Plus, I expect Bruce to be a consistent 40 HR guy once he's in his prime.

Not that any of this really matters, since we don't work in the front office.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:25 PM

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yes! But I don't like Bruce so I'm not exactly objective.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:59 PM

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UCbengal985 wrote:
karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
Pass. I don't have that much faith in Hughes, Chamberlain is nothing compared to what he was, and Gardner is nothing special. Plus, I expect Bruce to be a consistent 40 HR guy once he's in his prime.

Not that any of this really matters, since we don't work in the front office.
Hughes wins 16 games in the toughest division, the NL central is basically four A BASEBALL.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:09 PM

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karl1958 wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
Pass. I don't have that much faith in Hughes, Chamberlain is nothing compared to what he was, and Gardner is nothing special. Plus, I expect Bruce to be a consistent 40 HR guy once he's in his prime.

Not that any of this really matters, since we don't work in the front office.
Hughes wins 16 games in the toughest division, the NL central is basically four A BASEBALL.
That's why this division has the exact same number of World Series champions as the AL East in the last 6 years, and the NL has waxed the AL's ass 3 years in a row now in the AllStar game

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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:13 PM

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karl1958 wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
Pass. I don't have that much faith in Hughes, Chamberlain is nothing compared to what he was, and Gardner is nothing special. Plus, I expect Bruce to be a consistent 40 HR guy once he's in his prime.

Not that any of this really matters, since we don't work in the front office.
Hughes wins 16 games in the toughest division, the NL central is basically four A BASEBALL.
You have an odd way of trying to play nice here.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:17 PM

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karl1958 wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
Pass. I don't have that much faith in Hughes, Chamberlain is nothing compared to what he was, and Gardner is nothing special. Plus, I expect Bruce to be a consistent 40 HR guy once he's in his prime.

Not that any of this really matters, since we don't work in the front office.
Hughes wins 16 games in the toughest division, the NL central is basically four A BASEBALL.
Still threw an almost 6 ERA last year. Plus, if our division "sucks", why do you want Bruce? He plays them all the time.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 5:31 PM

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No. Stupid trade proposal.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 5:40 PM

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I don't like the trade proposal, but as I said before when another poster (mabye the same guy here, I don't know) suggested a trade for Chapman:

I love it that we actually have players that Yankee fans want! It doesn't take an extra long memory to recall seasons when we probably didn't have a player that could have made it into either their lineup or pitching staff.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 5:51 PM

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I wouldn't do it.  The Reds are contenders right now with very few glaring holes.  They are in a position to plug holes rather than create them.  The guys they would be receiving in return wouldn't really fill major holes while creating one trading away a young, power hitting RF.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 12:20 AM

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No.


karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:07 PM

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IamRV wrote:
karl1958 wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs
Pass. I don't have that much faith in Hughes, Chamberlain is nothing compared to what he was, and Gardner is nothing special. Plus, I expect Bruce to be a consistent 40 HR guy once he's in his prime.

Not that any of this really matters, since we don't work in the front office.
Hughes wins 16 games in the toughest division, the NL central is basically four A BASEBALL.
You have an odd way of trying to play nice here.
I am sorry, but the Cubs lower the bar quite a bit.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:14 PM

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wvubassrfl wrote: No. Stupid trade proposal.

My point was mostly financial, the Yanks need a cheaper OF, with power to replace Swisher; the Reds would gain a starter with a solid background; a pitcher who could either start, close, or join Chapman at the back of the game, and a speedy LF, combine with Hamilton would be fun to watch.  The AL 

East is the toughest division FOR A STARTING PITCHER, smaller parks, the DH, that's my point about Hughes compared what the Red starter'
s face.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:12 PM

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karl1958 wrote:
wvubassrfl wrote: No. Stupid trade proposal.

My point was mostly financial, the Yanks need a cheaper OF, with power to replace Swisher; the Reds would gain a starter with a solid background; a pitcher who could either start, close, or join Chapman at the back of the game, and a speedy LF, combine with Hamilton would be fun to watch.  The AL 

East is the toughest division FOR A STARTING PITCHER, smaller parks, the DH, that's my point about Hughes compared what the Red starter'
s face.

DH and ballpark size do nothing to affect a pitcher's record and do not give them a disadvantage because their opponents have to contend with the same factors every game. 

The pitcher's wins is the most ridiculous stat in baseball outside of the overly generous qualifications for a save.  There are stats to indicate a pitcher's effectiveness, but saying someone won 16 while pitching for the Yankees means nothing.  

They do affect ERA which for Hughes has been over four the last three seasons.  Moving to Great American Ball Park is not going to help anyone's ERA. 

The Yanks don't need a cheaper anything.  What they need to do is stop dropping $100M+ contracts on players like AJ Burnett (5.79 ERA while wearing pinstripes).  They're paying $20M of his guaranteed $33M over this and next season.  If they can shell out $20M to watch him pitch for the Pirates, they can afford to pay fair market value for an outfielder.

Cincinnati took a chance on Bruce by extending his contract when he was still only 23 years old so they should reap the benefits from him being a run producer at a discount price now. 

Right now our organization is deeper with pitching than outfielders.  Chapman will probably get a chance to start eventually and if they weren't so deep they might try to fast-track Corcino to the bigs like they did Cueto back in 08.  Bruce is the best OF that we have and it would be insane to get rid of him while he's producing at an affordable price.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:51 PM

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karl1958 wrote:
wvubassrfl wrote: No. Stupid trade proposal.

My point was mostly financial, the Yanks need a cheaper OF

I stopped reading right there. I don't want to hear about how the Yanks, who have had the highest payroll since pretty much the beginning of time, need someone cheaper. If anyone needs cheap players, its us. GTFO.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 2:56 AM

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UCbengal985 wrote:
karl1958 wrote:
wvubassrfl wrote: No. Stupid trade proposal.

My point was mostly financial, the Yanks need a cheaper OF

I stopped reading right there. I don't want to hear about how the Yanks, who have had the highest payroll since pretty much the beginning of time, need someone cheaper. If anyone needs cheap players, its us. GTFO.
Yeah, you probably saw in my previous reply that if the Yanks can afford to pay $20mill to watch AJ Burnett pitch two seasons for the Pirates then they can afford to pay fair market value for a right fielder.  Twenty mill is almost a quarter of the Reds entire payroll this season.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 10:02 AM

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Trade makes no sense from a Reds POV.

#1 -- Bruce is the 2nd most important hitter on the team (to Votto), and the Reds have financial security and certainty from having signed him to an affordable extension.

#2 -- The Reds would never do a trade "where the salaries match up the next few years". If the Reds trade w/ the Yanks, it will be to save money over here.

#3 -- If not a salary dump, talent would have to be closer to even. Bruce is a premier player, those offered are not. Hughes might be our 4th starter, (Cueto, Latos, Bailey better, maybe even Bronson too). Joba might be able to win the 7th inning job, assuming Boxton doesn't resign. And Gardner would be an expensive and redundant part with Stubbs in the OF, plus the fact that Billy Hamilton soon will arrive means the Reds aren't trading for a leadoff hitter anytime soon.

#4 -- The old "quantity for quality" trade proposals rarely go over well with a fanbase. But this trade fails for so many reasons, not sure why I even responded but for another distraction from the current state of the Reds
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Posted: 10/11/2012 3:29 PM

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karl1958 wrote: Would you consider trading Jay Bruce for Hughes, Gardner and Joba Chamberlain during the Winter Meetings?  The salaries should match up pretty close over the next two years.  The Yanks could use a cheaper replacement for Swisher, and Gardner and Hamilton at the top of the Reds lineup would be fun to watch.  Hughes is a 16-game winner, and a cheaper replacement for Arroyo by 2014.  Votto would see a lot of fastballs

If you take Dusty Bake and Scott Rolen too.

I hate Mike Brown

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Posted: 10/12/2012 11:26 AM

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I think it's a fair trade except that the Reds ballpark is built for HR hitters and having traded Dunn, Josh Hamilton, Yonder Alonzo, Paul Konerko, and Encarnacion, Jay Bruce is the only legitimate power hitter we have. All those guys we traded had flaws but we depleted our stock of hitters built for GAP.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 11:41 AM

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Hell no.
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