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Would you still make the trade?

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Posted: 7/2/2010 12:06 AM

Would you still make the trade? 


No -  I'm not referring to the trade for Scott Rowland. I was at the time and am still good with that move. He has even brought more to the club than I thought he would. 

What I'm asking is would you still trade Josh Hamilton for Volquez-Hererra? I'm torn on this one. At the time I thought it was a good move and still do to some degree but wouldn't it be nice to have a guy patrolling CF the caliber of Josh and in the lineup everyday batting 3rd or 4th hitting nearly .350 with 18 dingers and RBI's out the wazoo.

Our pitching has been decent and will no doubt get better with Volky coming back but the offense and defense he would've brought everyday could possibly have added a win or two every couple of weeks - even with the staff remaining the same.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 12:42 AM

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I wouldn't.  I thought it was a bad idea at the time but it turned out slightly better than I expected.  Hamilton has missed some time too.  Hopefully Volquez can become the ace this staff needs, but we've had a black hole in CF ever since Hamilton left.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 12:45 AM

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IamRV wrote: No -  I'm not referring to the trade for Scott Rowland. I was at the time and am still good with that move. He has even brought more to the club than I thought he would. 

What I'm asking is would you still trade Josh Hamilton for Volquez-Hererra? I'm torn on this one. At the time I thought it was a good move and still do to some degree but wouldn't it be nice to have a guy patrolling CF the caliber of Josh and in the lineup everyday batting 3rd or 4th hitting nearly .350 with 18 dingers and RBI's out the wazoo.

Our pitching has been decent and will no doubt get better with Volky coming back but the offense and defense he would've brought everyday could possibly have added a win or two every couple of weeks - even with the staff remaining the same.

No way do I make that trade. Having Hamilton in CF and batting 3rd,4th or 5th in the lineup instead of Stubbs would be great right now. We sure are weak at the 7th and 8th spots right now, I am sick of having a man on 3rd or bases loaded with no outs and one of these guys always screw up a great opportunity.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 8:58 AM

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Hamilton is one bourbon, one shot, one beer away from Steve Howe land (and thats not a good thing, like scott rolen-land!)


Seriously, between his mental health issues, physical issues, and precarious status as an active player with mlb, Josh's value is not measured mostly by what he does on the field -- it has to be mitigated by the above.


I'd probably still do the trade. Hard part in hindsight is none of us knows what other options legitimately existed for a Hamilton trade at that time, so who knows if there was a deal that now would look better to us...
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Posted: 7/2/2010 9:19 AM

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I know it goes against everything they teach in the Natural's guide to baseball success but baseball is won on the mound, not CF. I like Hammy and that's a story for the ages but I'd make that trade again tomorrow if given the chance. It's going to be a question that comes up whenever Josh is playing exceedingly well which he is, but I still worry about his long term health. Too much damage done IMO. Wouldn't be suprised if his career is shortened or if trips to the DL become the norm. I also suspect if EV returns to form, most of the second guessing will go away.

Now would I do the Rowland trade again? I dunno. As much as I like Scotty "rawhide" Rolen......Rowland is a beast. A man among boys. Perhaps we could package Rowland and this Yonder Alphonso kid I keep hearing so much about and get that elite CF you so desire.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 10:02 AM

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Ah, not a big fan of it then, and definitely not now, but thats how it goes. Volquez seems like a very talented pitcher that I expect a lot from, but it would be nice to have Josh in our lineup right now.

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Posted: 7/2/2010 10:29 AM

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TBD IMO.  Year 1 was fairly even for both.  Year 2 was a waste for both.  Hamilton is tearing it up again this year.  We will see about EV.


If he can be the Ace of a staff like everyone seems to claim he can be, it will be better for the Reds in the long term even if they only keep him for 5 or 6 more years.


 

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Posted: 7/2/2010 10:39 AM

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ChrisSabo wrote:

Now would I do the Rowland trade again? I dunno. As much as I like Scotty "rawhide" Rolen......Rowland is a beast. A man among boys. Perhaps we could package Rowland and this Yonder Alphonso kid I keep hearing so much about and get that elite CF you so desire.
LOL.....I wanted to keep my mouth shut...but you went ahead and took care of it for me excited


I think it is still to early to tell on that trade.  Hamilton has had a great year so far, but he could tail off, and EV could come off the DL and dominate the 2nd half making this year a wash also.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 10:53 AM

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Yes, I think Volquez is gonna be lights out and back to his first year Red's form when he comes back.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 11:26 AM

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Yes.  I really like Hamilton, but I would do that trade every time.  While Hamilton would help we are already 1st in runs scored in the NL.  We are 12th in ERA in the NL without Volquez.  I have no doubt we will move up at least 4 spots once Volquez comes back.
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Posted: 7/2/2010 3:26 PM

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Wholeheartedly agree with TB, Spuds, Doc, & RD.  A no-brainer.

I'll always like Josh, but his career could be extinguished quickly by an inner-devil that he fights every day.  Besides that, pitching is the name of this game and always has been.


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Posted: 7/2/2010 3:28 PM

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Excellent observation!!
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Posted: 7/2/2010 3:39 PM

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Both of these guys are in their first year of arbitration. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too soon to make a judgment one way or the other. That said, I still do this trade every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I am convinced that EV is going to be a #1 type starter - those are very hard to come by.


There have also been stories that the Rangers clubhouse isn't nearly as fond of JH as they were initially after the trade. It seems that aside from being a recovering addict, he's also a primadonna - that also needs to factor in this. I read in a couple of places that they were quietly shopping him this past off season. Just way too many X factors with that guy to feel comfortable that he'll be a great contributor for five + years, IMO.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:04 PM

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Hell No don't do it ......lol.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:05 AM

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Wait....is this the thread that started the whole Rowland thing? If so, its kind of ironic given the mistaken post looks like a teachers notes on a graded paper, what with the red text and all.

As for revisiting the trade, yes I still make it. It's a chance you have to take and to be perfectly honest...I don't like Josh Hamilton all that much. Certainly less than I did at the time.

Now we may not have packaged him for that CFer I mentioned in my original post in this thread.....but I do like what we packaged Alphonso for. I am perfectly happy with how the trade for Laytose has worked out.*



(* I reserve the right to completely abandon this position at anytime in the future. While it is indeed true at the moment, I only added it for what I hope are obvious reasons)
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:40 AM

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You also have to think about the fact that Volquez helped us get Latos. Would I prefer we never did the Hamilton/Volquez trade? Without knowing all the details, obviously yeah. There aren't many sluggers like Hamilton. But the way this team performs and meshes is hard to match. Supposedly not a lot of guys liked Hamilton in the clubhouse. Hindsight is 20-20, but when you win 97 games and IMPROVE in the offseason, why even look in the rear-view mirror?
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:00 AM

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lol  I was kidding when I said hell no.......We needed arms then and we have as mentioned some other arm for EV.  All came out ion the wash.

Spuds, I  really didn't pull this one for Rowland, but after I reposted it I got to thinking it might be just as you said.  I dunno, is it?  lmao  The red was already red, not my work.  I'm sure no teacher, more the kid in the back with a cheat sheet.

10 degrees today, gd cold.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:37 AM

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Still don't do it. Hamilton for Latos doesn't get it done for me either.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 11:06 AM

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Rowland.....LOL


May that never die!
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Posted: 2/2/2013 3:19 PM

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Maybe the best meme on this site ever. 

Thanks Spuds for resurrecting this. 
F*$& I don't want him to retire to keep this alive for another year. 




wvubassrfl wrote: Rowland.....LOL


May that never die!
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