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A Different/New Type of Leadership edit - Scott Rolen

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Posted: 5/28/2010 9:04 AM

A Different/New Type of Leadership edit - Scott Rolen 


Watched the post-game show after the Reds win last night, which included an interview with Orlando Cabrera.  It was brought up that the addition of first Rolen, then Cabrera has given the Reds the veteran leadership that was desperately needed.

Rolen is the quiet guy who leads by example, but Cabrera is the guy who will meet someone at the top step of the dugout when they've done something on the field that needs addressed.

THAT was one of the things missing here because Dusty has never been the type of manager to address those issues in a confrontational manner.  Could it be that the addition of Cabrera has made this a better managed team, because Cabrera has taken it upon himself to take that role?

Could it be part of the reason this team is playing well? 

Sometimes a player's stats don't reveal his entire value.

Thoughts?


Last edited 1/31/2013 10:20 PM by cincykid

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Posted: 5/28/2010 9:13 AM

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Agreed, FB.

I think the combination of leadership between Rolen and Cabrera was/is exactly what this team needs. As you mentioned, Dusty just isn't the type of manager that young players fear.

I think leadership is huge. I also think the energy....and overall intensity....brought to the Reds by Gomes is huge. Their are several players on this team that "play hard" but Gomes leads by giving the game all he has. IMO, that also has resulted in the success thus far.

One thing I LOVE about this team is the different combinations it offers. The Reds have "loud" leaders, "quiet" leaders, energy guys, veterans, and young pups. Now some players fall in different catagories, but this team seems well equipped to be in the race for the long haul.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 10:00 AM

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Agree with everything that's been said!! I for one was saying months before we signed OC that we should, and I'm glad to see it's worked out.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 11:09 AM

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I liked the addition of Cabrera before the season because he was a solid defensive SS, not great range, but makes what he gets to.  An average hiiter, etc.  I had no idea he was a ledader type player, but thats been mentioned a couple times this year.

The last time the reds had a guy that would get in your face was Greg Vaughn if memory serves me right.


 

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Posted: 5/28/2010 1:01 PM

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All I can really add is, "yeah."

I have never been convinced Dusty is quite as fundamentally flawed as many around here seem to constantly intimate. If he was, I'm not so sure his professional career would have spanned as long as it has.

Dusty tried to plug in vets, the only problem is they turned out to mostly suck. Few performed well, I think all of them failed to ever install themselves as outspoken leader-types. However, Walt has been able to really gain traction and has really entrenched himself upstairs at GABP. We have now seen some Walt personnel moves and they have been what we were all hoping they'd be.

Rolen and Cabrera have been the heartbeat of the team. In the process they've become rejuvenated and have been providing major and key stats. It's nice that Joey can take a couple nights off and we don't suddenly have the fear of god inside us when we see he's not in the lineup.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 3:01 PM

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Just because you were a good or decent player doesn't mean you can relate that to someone else or even know baseball IMO.

I had a High School coach that supposedly got drafted by Baltimore I think, but blew out his knee or something, but had a promising future.  Worst baseball coach I ever had.  He might have halfway known the game, but couldn't relate it to the player nor did he really seem to care.


 

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Posted: 5/28/2010 3:31 PM

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It is clear the Reds have excellent chemistry. Good young players that want to get better, wily veterans who have been winners and other players like Gomes and Nix who are just good teammates and really pull for each other. Cabera has been a winner virtually everywhere he has been and Rolen is such a pro - when in the field or at the plate, I feel very confident when those guys are involved.

I do think the preoccupation that many have on this board with Dusty is way overboard. Yes, he makes  real head scratcher moves from time-to-time but so do a lot of managers. I am watching the Cards-Cubs and the Cards get 5 in the first, in the bottom of the first the Cubs have two on and none out and try a hit n run on a 3-2 count. Result - K and Molina guns down guy at 3rd for a doubleplay, effectively taking them out of the inning. It struck me that Sweet Lou gets a pass on such a move whereas Dusty would get killed.

The most important aspect of managing (whether its baseball or in a factory) is getting people to work hard at their job and create an atmosphere that is coducive to getting results. IMHO Dusty is pretty good in that important area.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 4:30 PM

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2001MUgrad wrote: Just because you were a good or decent player doesn't mean you can relate that to someone else or even know baseball IMO.

I had a High School coach that supposedly got drafted by Baltimore I think, but blew out his knee or something, but had a promising future.  Worst baseball coach I ever had.  He might have halfway known the game, but couldn't relate it to the player nor did he really seem to care.
If this was in response to my post, I'll defend my position by saying I wasn't referring at all to Dusty's playing career having any bearing on his ability to coach. When I mentioned the length at which he has been at managing in the big leagues, I meant just that. He's been doing this for seventeen years now with three NL Manager of the Year awards. If he was as bad as so many make him out to be, I think the various powers that be would have prevailed by now.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 4:38 PM

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Just to be clear, the intention of this thread is not to start another debate about Dusty's ability to manage.  We've each had our opportunity to voice our opinions on that topic.

It was intended to point out that the addition of Rolen & Cabrera's leadership may compliment Dusty's managing style, thus resulting in the success this team is currently enjoying.


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Posted: 5/28/2010 6:11 PM

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I agree with ya FB.  I saw the post game too and bruce really impressed me.  He was not the ....silly kid that he was last year.  All awww shucks I am just having fun sporting a big grin all the time.  He showed me some fire last night. I posted that quote from him about ....oh, how he's not into just hitting hr's.  He wants to be a solid all around hitter and a solid ballplayer.  Maybe OC has helped that ....more focused, more hungry to win and play well, spirit in Bruce and across the board   There is certainly a difference in the dugout imo.  They are getting an attitude and that's good.
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Posted: 5/28/2010 8:46 PM

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2001MUgrad wrote: Just because you were a good or decent player doesn't mean you can relate that to someone else or even know baseball IMO.

I had a High School coach that supposedly got drafted by Baltimore I think, but blew out his knee or something, but had a promising future.  Worst baseball coach I ever had.  He might have halfway known the game, but couldn't relate it to the player nor did he really seem to care.
Yup - leadership is a very tenuous thing. You are not (and should not) be bequeathed it because of your status. Magic Johnson was amongst the greatest basketball players of a generation, but could not coach worth an F.

I was one of the biggest OC guys on this board because of watching him out here in LA. The guy is a winner - one of the three guys on this roster with rings - and he's a pretty confrontational kind of teammate. But to me, the best thing he, and Rolen, have done has been their approach. How many times has OC take the extra base. First to third kind of deal. He's done it a lot. Teams like the Reds NEED to have that happen in order to have success. Yes, OC's range is not great. So what. He rarely f' ups what he gets to and the guy is a winner.

I love the left side of this infield so much right now. And I realize that we have at best, two more years of these guys playing at this level (and that is being liberal). My hope is that the kids learn from these guys how you approach each game.

The Rolen trade was polarizing but I having both of those guys on the left side of the infield has been such a huge shot in the arm. They're great and they are a huge % of why we are having success now.
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Posted: 5/30/2010 8:50 AM

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Scott Rolen talking, and Jay Bruce listening.  Priceless.


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Posted: 5/30/2010 9:32 AM

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FiestaBuckeye wrote:

Scott Rolen talking, and Jay Bruce listening.  Priceless.
Yeah, I think it's going something like this...

Rolen: Wow kid, my numbers are coming around this year, but I've only ever dreamt of hitting the ball *that* far."

Seriously, Fiesta, I am firmly in the camp that Rolen's leadership has had a unique impact and value in the clubhouse, only I think in this picture Bruce has clearly just knocked in a couple runs on a bomb. This is probably a congratulatory thing. Perhaps Rolen is also saying, "I told you to look for a two-strike fastball starting inside but ending up over the inner-half of the plate."

The best part is Phillips in the backround.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:18 PM

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....and away went the reds after leadership arrived.  Sucks Rowland might be a gd dodger.  His leadership and that of some others, but imho primarily Rolen's turned the Reds around as a team.  Always appreciate that, always appreciate Mr. Rolen.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:13 AM

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All this old thread bumpage lately sure has made one thing abundantly clear. There's only about 6 of us left. That's too bad. Oh well, I'm still never joining the "zone." I much prefer posting among 6 cyber enjoyable posters as opposed to posting among 500 self righteous blowhard @ss hats.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:03 AM

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It's always dead in winter spuds.  And ya I can't handle some of the stuff or peoples on other sites.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:03 PM

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I would love to join in more, but the job has taken over my life. 

I do miss the back and forth banter. excited

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Posted: 2/3/2013 2:39 AM

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It'll pick back up in the next couple months!


 

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Posted: 2/3/2013 11:27 AM

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I have always liked having Scott Rolen on this team.  I have never joined the bunch that likes to bash Rolen, but they are entitled to their opinion.  That said, I would like to see Rolen (at a reduced price) in the Red 's clubhouse, and backing up at 3rd.

I will always remember during the Reds Cardinals brawl, the pic of Chris Carpenter pointing at Rolen, making certain that his teammates were holding him back as he lunged toward him. LOL
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Posted: 2/3/2013 1:58 PM

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I'd have to rewatch the brawl, not that I'm in any hurry to, but I don't remember Rowland as aggressive. He seemed like a peace maker to me. I'm fine with that of course, maybe I just don't remember thinking anyone was overly worried of his wrath.

Then again, I'm old, the memory is starting to go.

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