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Pitching Depth

Posted: 2/2/2013 6:32 PM

Pitching Depth 


It's getting crazy-in a good way.

Now we've added Parra.

We all know the returnees, and Masset is still under contract too. 

That's 14 pitchers for 12 spots before Parra arrived. 

They can keep Corcino and Cingrani in the minors for another year of development.  Corcino has been compared to Cueto, but in 08 Reds pitching was so thin they jumped him over AAA and he got lit up with an ERA near five against major league hitters when he was 22.  Parra's addition makes it look like Jocketty was serious when he made earlier comments they would prefer to keep Cingrani developing as a starter. 

They reached in their pocket for a mill to get Parra and he can make more with bonuses.  I think he'll make the opening day roster.  They probably plan to start Masset out on the DL, but if he can come back they're not going to shell out $3M on him to get batters out in the International League. 

My opening day staff is:
Cueto
Latos
Bailey
Arroyo
Chapman

Broxton
Marshall
Arredondo
Ondrusek
LeCure
Simon
Parra

Parra's previous stats are not that impressive, but neither were Simon's when they picked him up off of waivers right before opening day last year.  He's got a spot on the 40-man and it looks like they want a second lefty in the pen after Marshall.

Louisville is getting crowded too.  Corcino and Cingrani will start there.  It's odd to think that Leake is headed there after he skipped the minor leagues entirely to pitch for the Reds straight out of Arizona St in 2010. The Reds did not deal him when they could have gotten something in return so it appears they want him around in case the conversion of Chapman to the rotation is not successful.  Until that happens I don't see room for him any higher than Louisville where he'll wait until a need arises. 

Hoover wouldn't have any problem finding a job in most MLB bullpens but I don't see him close to making the Reds come opening day. 

They also added Galarraga, but he's got serious competition for the Bats rotation.  Redmond has kept a mid-three ERA against International League hitters, but he's in limbo after they DFA's him to make room for Parra.  They still have Villarreal hanging around who kept his spot on the 40-man.  He a sub-four ERA at Louisville before he got hammered in his last couple of outings to inflate it. 

GABP can't be popular with free agent pitchers, but it's now February and I wouldn't be shocked to see them add another one at a bargain price as players start looking unemployment in the face. 

I haven't even mentioned Stephenson who'll probably start at high-A and may eventually turn out to be the best arm out of all them and they invested another first round pick on Travieso last year. There's no need to fast-track them like they did Bailey and Cueto. 

For those who've followed the Reds over the years....whooda thunk it?

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:25 PM

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Para is the lefty specialist, he's nothing hot vs righties but 223 vs lefties against him.  I'll take that lifetime.  Ondrusek could be odd man out I dunno.  Gonna be interesting, up to each player really. I don't envision Aroldis, your previous closer extraordinary, starting at AAA, so leake does imo.  But cingrani could force the issue with  great spring, we'll soon see.  Well eventually anyway.  Without looking cingrani is nails vs r's and L's, I think.  Don't matter which side.  Vet vs Kid rookie though. 

Rowland would create  issues ey? 

I think a few more dudes are gona see DL at years beginning doncha know.  Tendonitis stuff.....tongue  We are going to be seriously deep up top.  A damn fine looking team with a lot of expectations riding on her.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:33 PM

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cincykid wrote: Para is the lefty specialist, he's nothing hot vs righties but 223 vs lefties against him.  I'll take that lifetime.  Ondrusek could be odd man out I dunno. 
I would agree with you except that literally every member of the bullpen with exception of Simon has a better BAA against lefties than Parra
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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:37 PM

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really/  damn  I knew we were good, but dam.  Better than 223? 
OhioRaiderNation wrote:
cincykid wrote: Para is the lefty specialist, he's nothing hot vs righties but 223 vs lefties against him.  I'll take that lifetime.  Ondrusek could be odd man out I dunno. 
I would agree with you except that literally every member of the bullpen with exception of Simon has a better BAA against lefties than Parra
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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:41 PM

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cincykid wrote: really/  damn  I knew we were good, but dam.  Better than 223? 
OhioRaiderNation wrote:
cincykid wrote: Para is the lefty specialist, he's nothing hot vs righties but 223 vs lefties against him.  I'll take that lifetime.  Ondrusek could be odd man out I dunno. 
I would agree with you except that literally every member of the bullpen with exception of Simon has a better BAA against lefties than Parra
Naw gotta disagree raider.... Red is LH hitters against the pitcher.....
1Chapman, ACIN547973--0.00----22.08000643.1080.64--20--08150041082347-0.53.195.135.33017.592.453.277.1715.77
1Cingrani, TCIN571561--0.00----2.1200025.2001.71--00--021000001252-2.00.333.200.53319.297.717.712.5022.29
1Villarreal, PCIN543881--0.00----0.2000001.0000.00--00--0010000028-0.00.000.000.00013.500.000.00-12.00
4Marshall, SCIN445156--0.66----27.117220434.1730.77--00--0311611010102389-1.94.206.204.41011.201.325.608.5014.23
5Hoover, JCIN543331--1.69----16.06331616.1200.75--00--28220010058251-0.36.207.220.4279.003.383.382.6715.69
6Bray, BCIN435538--1.80----5.0011094.0001.80--00--136000102298-0.50.409.000.4097.2016.200.000.4419.60
6Broxton, JCIN455009--1.80----10.05220212.1470.70--10--11340010037165-3.25.216.206.42210.801.804.506.0016.50
8Arredondo, JCIN461766--2.25----32.0179822031.1651.16--12--1293100331129528-0.94.299.282.5818.725.624.781.5516.50
8Ondrusek, LCIN446185--2.25----24.0166621720.1901.38--13--3252410000103415-1.04.333.310.6437.506.376.001.1817.29
10Bailey, HCIN456701--2.68----94.089312882885.2451.24--50--59695006203981530-1.01.307.375.6828.142.688.523.0416.28
11Cueto, JCIN456501--2.94----110.1122403672690.2791.34--61--6126106111444761959-1.19.326.382.7087.342.129.953.4617.76
12LeCure, SCIN459967--3.00----27.02010911229.2081.19--11--2311920230112491-1.63.300.313.6139.674.006.672.4218.19
13Simon, ACIN430580--3.60----30.031161201425.2671.50--21--3352880100135501-1.25.348.397.7457.504.209.301.7916.70
14Arroyo, BCIN276520--3.97----102.01174745172351.2871.37--11--5119126304324371644-0.94.325.469.7944.502.0310.322.2216.12
15Latos, MCIN502009--4.13----102.1995047143387.2521.29--24--8109100009204311668-1.09.313.440.7537.652.908.712.6416.30
16Leake, MCIN502190--4.36----97.01145147132364.2961.41--22--812193102404171535-1.30.334.470.8045.942.1310.582.7815.82
17Redmond, TCIN445170--11.57----2.1433152.3643.86

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:58 PM

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Yep.  That's exactly right.  Every member of the bullpen with exception of Simon.  I wasn't counting starters since their BAA is going to be higher seeing hitters multiple times in games, pacing themselves, etc.  And their roster spot will not be impacted by the addition of Parra

Broxton .147
Marshall .173
Hoover .120
Arredondo .165
Ondrusek .190
LeCure .208
Chapman .108
Simon .267
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Posted: 2/2/2013 11:09 PM

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You are right, I'm wrong.  Whap upside the head.  I need to read better, you said the pen. 
OhioRaiderNation wrote: Yep.  That's exactly right.  Every member of the bullpen with exception of Simon.  I wasn't counting starters since their BAA is going to be higher seeing hitters multiple times in games, pacing themselves, etc.  And their roster spot will not be impacted by the addition of Parra

Broxton .147
Marshall .173
Hoover .120
Arredondo .165
Ondrusek .190
LeCure .208
Chapman .108
Simon .267
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Posted: 2/2/2013 11:15 PM

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Hats off to you, good point.  I had no idea. Man that's some stuff. Hummm, lol I'll go back to..... going to be several dudes going DL at springs end. Freaking logjam. Insurance of the serious type I duno. think O and Hoover have options left on them, leake too. As does cingrani. And Vet vs Kid ?

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Posted: 2/3/2013 8:48 AM

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cincykid wrote: Hats off to you, good point.  I had no idea. Man that's some stuff. Hummm, lol I'll go back to..... going to be several dudes going DL at springs end. Freaking logjam. Insurance of the serious type I duno. think O and Hoover have options left on them, leake too. As does cingrani. And Vet vs Kid ?
Regardless, your main point still remains.  We have crazy depth in the 'pen and that's never a bad thing!
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