No way does adding Fowler and losing Homer make us better. So you move Leake up to #4? Who is your # 5 starter? I know the lead off hitter was a huge hole but Stubbs played great defense in Center and had some pop for the position. Understand he inability to put the ball in play was a big issue but taking Homer out of the rotation creates a far bigger hole and has a far bigger impact on W's & L's.

Homer is getting better every year. He has really started to come into his own over the last two seas on's. No way you deal a potential ace or at worst a #2, 3 starter for Fowler.

Pitching is King in baseball, period.
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Yes, because I think both of those trades would have made us better.  You are acting like I am just trying to give him away.

FiestaBuckeye wrote:

RDriesenUD wrote: Where did I ever say that?  I said I wouldn't extend him yet.  I want to see if he can have more than one good year before I give him a big contract.  My point is I am willing to wait.  I think it is way to big of a risk.  Latos is a different story.  I have no problem signing him to a big contract.

Instance #1 - A couple of years ago you were perfectly willing to trade him for Corey Hart. You didn't like Homer's 'attitude' and he was never going to live up to expectations. We had that debate.

Instance #2 - Unless I'm mistaken, you were also OK with including him (or Leake) in a deal for Fowler.

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gsnuts wrote:
No way does adding Fowler and losing Homer make us better.
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--- RDriesenUD wrote:

Yes, because I think both of those trades would have made us better.  You are acting like I am just trying to give him away.

FiestaBuckeye wrote:

RDriesenUD wrote: Where did I ever say that?  I said I wouldn't extend him yet.  I want to see if he can have more than one good year before I give him a big contract.  My point is I am willing to wait.  I think it is way to big of a risk.  Latos is a different story.  I have no problem signing him to a big contract.

Instance #1 - A couple of years ago you were perfectly willing to trade him for Corey Hart. You didn't like Homer's 'attitude' and he was never going to live up to expectations. We had that debate.

Instance #2 - Unless I'm mistaken, you were also OK with including him (or Leake) in a deal for Fowler.

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This.  I am so glad we went outside the box for Choo instead of blowing the bank on marginal guys like Fowler etc.  We don't need another fast beanpole in center who can't hit his way out of a paperbag.  Finally, somebody with good bat control and obp skills.  I predict there won't be as many "pictures of Dusty" jokes regarding our CF's this year.

shagattack wrote:

gsnuts wrote:
No way does adding Fowler and losing Homer make us better.
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--- RDriesenUD wrote:

Yes, because I think both of those trades would have made us better.  You are acting like I am just trying to give him away.

FiestaBuckeye wrote:

RDriesenUD wrote: Where did I ever say that?  I said I wouldn't extend him yet.  I want to see if he can have more than one good year before I give him a big contract.  My point is I am willing to wait.  I think it is way to big of a risk.  Latos is a different story.  I have no problem signing him to a big contract.

Instance #1 - A couple of years ago you were perfectly willing to trade him for Corey Hart. You didn't like Homer's 'attitude' and he was never going to live up to expectations. We had that debate.

Instance #2 - Unless I'm mistaken, you were also OK with including him (or Leake) in a deal for Fowler.

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This.  I am so glad we went outside the box for Choo instead of blowing the bank on marginal guys like Fowler etc.  We don't need another fast beanpole in center who can't hit his way out of a paperbag.  Finally, somebody with good bat control and obp skills.  I predict there won't be as many "pictures of Dusty" jokes regarding our CF's this year.

Let's not get carried away with the hyperbole here.  While I didn't expect Fowler to be Mike Trout calling him "marginal" and saying he "can't hit his way out of a paper bag" is just over the top

OhioRaiderNation wrote:

shagattack wrote:

gsnuts wrote:
No way does adding Fowler and losing Homer make us better.
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--- RDriesenUD wrote:

Yes, because I think both of those trades would have made us better.  You are acting like I am just trying to give him away.

FiestaBuckeye wrote:

RDriesenUD wrote: Where did I ever say that?  I said I wouldn't extend him yet.  I want to see if he can have more than one good year before I give him a big contract.  My point is I am willing to wait.  I think it is way to big of a risk.  Latos is a different story.  I have no problem signing him to a big contract.

Instance #1 - A couple of years ago you were perfectly willing to trade him for Corey Hart. You didn't like Homer's 'attitude' and he was never going to live up to expectations. We had that debate.

Instance #2 - Unless I'm mistaken, you were also OK with including him (or Leake) in a deal for Fowler.

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This.  I am so glad we went outside the box for Choo instead of blowing the bank on marginal guys like Fowler etc.  We don't need another fast beanpole in center who can't hit his way out of a paperbag.  Finally, somebody with good bat control and obp skills.  I predict there won't be as many "pictures of Dusty" jokes regarding our CF's this year.

Let's not get carried away with the hyperbole here.  While I didn't expect Fowler to be Mike Trout calling him "marginal" and saying he "can't hit his way out of a paper bag" is just over the top

I actually didn't realize he was such a good OBP guy.  He's not a good fantasy guy (as I found out a few years ago), but I wouldn't trade any more for him than I would for Choo, even considering defense.

All right I'm going to let this thread float away. 

I'm really liking this roster right about now.