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Reds acquire Shin-Soo Choo from CLE

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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:38 PM

Reds acquire Shin-Soo Choo from CLE 


This rumor is spreading fast, many saying the deal could be done tonight.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports....o-from-indians/

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...oo-from-indians


I for one would be very okay with this. Career .289 hitter and .381 OBP is just what the doctor ordered for the top of our lineup.

Last edited 12/13/2012 9:28 PM by kots4mvp14

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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:40 PM

Re: Stubbs and DiDi for Shin-Soo Choo? 


I was just coming to post this.  I don't know what to think of this.  On one hand I would love to have Choo.  He is perfect for what we need.  On the other hand I don't want to trade Didi.  I love his potential at SS.  I would much rather trade Cozart.  Overall, I would probably say you have to make this trade.


UCbengal985 wrote: This rumor is spreading fast, many saying the deal could be done tonight.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports....o-from-indians/

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...oo-from-indians
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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:44 PM

Re: Stubbs and DiDi for Shin-Soo Choo? 


Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.

If the Indians were to acquire Stubbs to go with Mark Reynolds, they'd be well on their way to having a team that could set a major league record for team K's in a season.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:47 PM

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Or we could sign Choo for multiple years and move him to LF when Ludwicks contract is up.  That would give Hamilton plenty of time to work on his game.  He could be in AAA for 1 1/2 years and then we could bring him up in the 2nd half of the 2014 season.


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.

If the Indians were to acquire Stubbs to go with Mark Reynolds, they'd be well on their way to having a team that could set a major league record for team K's in a season.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:53 PM

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If we were to make this deal....the upside would be....it wouldn't cost us any pitching.  That's big in my mind.

If we were to acquire Fowler, it's going to cost us arms. Then, if Hamilton is ready in '14 we would no longer have a starting spot for Fowler. 

Though expensive (giving up DiDi), this deal for Choo makes more sense than the one we'd probably make for Fowler.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:54 PM

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FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.
We also said that about Broxton, and looked what happened. Like Driesen said, if it makes sense for him to stay, it can happen.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:58 PM

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RDriesenUD wrote: Or we could sign Choo for multiple years and move him to LF when Ludwicks contract is up.  That would give Hamilton plenty of time to work on his game.  He could be in AAA for 1 1/2 years and then we could bring him up in the 2nd half of the 2014 season.


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.

If the Indians were to acquire Stubbs to go with Mark Reynolds, they'd be well on their way to having a team that could set a major league record for team K's in a season.
Choo is a client of Scott Boras, so he's going to be very expensive in free agency. He's a very good all-around ballplayer with a GREAT throwing arm from the OF. Thus, a very attractive 2014 free agent piece for a big-money club.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:01 PM

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I say go for it, re-sign him and we're off to the playoffs.  While losing didi sucks, gaining choo Should really improve our O, score more runs, win more games.  I too will keep the arms fowler would cost.  He's hoping it happens.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:03 PM

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UCbengal985 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.
We also said that about Broxton, and looked what happened. Like Driesen said, if it makes sense for him to stay, it can happen.
But, does it make sense for him to stay, and could we even begin to afford him?  Bruce is going to be in RF for years to come, and Ludwick likely in LF through 2014, and possibly 2015 with his option year. 

Choo isn't really a centerfielder, so how do the pieces fit long-term?  Choo is a very good ballplayer, but I don't see how he fits our budget or our line-up long term.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:03 PM

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......if we can't sign him lt, there is kots' pick for him.
FiestaBuckeye wrote:
RDriesenUD wrote: Or we could sign Choo for multiple years and move him to LF when Ludwicks contract is up.  That would give Hamilton plenty of time to work on his game.  He could be in AAA for 1 1/2 years and then we could bring him up in the 2nd half of the 2014 season.


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.

If the Indians were to acquire Stubbs to go with Mark Reynolds, they'd be well on their way to having a team that could set a major league record for team K's in a season.
Choo is a client of Scott Boras, so he's going to be very expensive in free agency. He's a very good all-around ballplayer with a GREAT throwing arm from the OF. Thus, a very attractive 2014 free agent piece for a big-money club.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:29 PM

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Like I said, you can play him in LF in 2 years.  All I am saying is there is way to keep him for more than 1 year if we want too.


https://twitter.com/hoynsie

3 team dealing cooking among # Indians, Reds, Arizona. Shin-Soo Choo headed to Cincy. Asdrubal Cabrera not involved as of right now.


https://twitter.com/jonmorosi

Rare that team can find *exactly* what they need offensively, but that is what Reds would have in Choo (AL top 10 in OBP - '09, '10, '12).


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.
We also said that about Broxton, and looked what happened. Like Driesen said, if it makes sense for him to stay, it can happen.
But, does it make sense for him to stay, and could we even begin to afford him?  Bruce is going to be in RF for years to come, and Ludwick likely in LF through 2014, and possibly 2015 with his option year. 

Choo isn't really a centerfielder, so how do the pieces fit long-term?  Choo is a very good ballplayer, but I don't see how he fits our budget or our line-up long term.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:41 PM

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john fay saying its pretty much done
John Fay @ johnfayman I've been out of pocket all day. Just confirmation that the Gregorius and Stubbs trade for Choo is all but complete. # reds


RDriesenUD wrote:
Like I said, you can play him in LF in 2 years.  All I am saying is there is way to keep him for more than 1 year if we want too.


https://twitter.com/hoynsie

3 team dealing cooking among # Indians, Reds, Arizona. Shin-Soo Choo headed to Cincy. Asdrubal Cabrera not involved as of right now.


https://twitter.com/jonmorosi

Rare that team can find *exactly* what they need offensively, but that is what Reds would have in Choo (AL top 10 in OBP - '09, '10, '12).


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.
We also said that about Broxton, and looked what happened. Like Driesen said, if it makes sense for him to stay, it can happen.
But, does it make sense for him to stay, and could we even begin to afford him?  Bruce is going to be in RF for years to come, and Ludwick likely in LF through 2014, and possibly 2015 with his option year. 

Choo isn't really a centerfielder, so how do the pieces fit long-term?  Choo is a very good ballplayer, but I don't see how he fits our budget or our line-up long term.

Last edited 12/11/2012 5:42 PM by Beatlessp

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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:47 PM

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RDriesenUD wrote: Like I said, you can play him in LF in 2 years.  All I am saying is there is way to keep him for more than 1 year if we want too.


https://twitter.com/hoynsie

3 team dealing cooking among # Indians, Reds, Arizona. Shin-Soo Choo headed to Cincy. Asdrubal Cabrera not involved as of right now.


https://twitter.com/jonmorosi

Rare that team can find *exactly* what they need offensively, but that is what Reds would have in Choo (AL top 10 in OBP - '09, '10, '12).


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.
We also said that about Broxton, and looked what happened. Like Driesen said, if it makes sense for him to stay, it can happen.
But, does it make sense for him to stay, and could we even begin to afford him?  Bruce is going to be in RF for years to come, and Ludwick likely in LF through 2014, and possibly 2015 with his option year. 

Choo isn't really a centerfielder, so how do the pieces fit long-term?  Choo is a very good ballplayer, but I don't see how he fits our budget or our line-up long term.
You guys follow the $$$ of the game closer than me.  What would it take (per year) to sign Choo?  Boras would want at least 3-4 years, right?  Is $60M for four years a reasonable guess?

I REALLY like Choo, but I don't know how it can work.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:51 PM

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From Jon Heyman

Choo could work in CF for Reds because of small ballpark. Potentially dynamic offensive OF w/ bruce, ludwick, etc.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:53 PM

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From Jon Morosi:

Reds would obtain another position player if the Choo trade happens, confirming @ DKnobler report.


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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:54 PM

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The thing is we don't have to keep him if the money doesn't work for us.  That is why I like it so much.  A lot will depend on the market, but I think 4 years and $60 million sounds about right.  Maybe a little low.


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
RDriesenUD wrote: Like I said, you can play him in LF in 2 years.  All I am saying is there is way to keep him for more than 1 year if we want too.


https://twitter.com/hoynsie

3 team dealing cooking among # Indians, Reds, Arizona. Shin-Soo Choo headed to Cincy. Asdrubal Cabrera not involved as of right now.


https://twitter.com/jonmorosi

Rare that team can find *exactly* what they need offensively, but that is what Reds would have in Choo (AL top 10 in OBP - '09, '10, '12).


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
UCbengal985 wrote:
FiestaBuckeye wrote: Basically, we'd be trading DiDi for one year of Choo....that would get us to Hamilton in 2014.
We also said that about Broxton, and looked what happened. Like Driesen said, if it makes sense for him to stay, it can happen.
But, does it make sense for him to stay, and could we even begin to afford him?  Bruce is going to be in RF for years to come, and Ludwick likely in LF through 2014, and possibly 2015 with his option year. 

Choo isn't really a centerfielder, so how do the pieces fit long-term?  Choo is a very good ballplayer, but I don't see how he fits our budget or our line-up long term.
You guys follow the $$$ of the game closer than me.  What would it take (per year) to sign Choo?  Boras would want at least 3-4 years, right?  Is $60M for four years a reasonable guess?

I REALLY like Choo, but I don't know how it can work.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 5:56 PM

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Stubbs made 2.01 PO/game last year.  Not that many when you really think about it.  Just think of how good our lineup could be.

1 - Choo
2 - Phillips
3 - Votto
4 - Ludwick
5 - Bruce
6 - Frazier
7 - Cozart
8 - Hanigan/Mesoraco
9 - Pitcher


FiestaBuckeye wrote: From Jon Heyman

Choo could work in CF for Reds because of small ballpark. Potentially dynamic offensive OF w/ bruce, ludwick, etc.

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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:01 PM

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RDriesenUD wrote: Stubbs made 2.01 PO/game last year.  Not that many when you really think about it.  Just think of how good our lineup could be.

1 - Choo
2 - Phillips
3 - Votto
4 - Ludwick
5 - Bruce
6 - Frazier
7 - Cozart
8 - Hanigan/Mesoraco
9 - Pitcher


FiestaBuckeye wrote: From Jon Heyman

Choo could work in CF for Reds because of small ballpark. Potentially dynamic offensive OF w/ bruce, ludwick, etc.
/drool
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:02 PM

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Choo sucked against left handed pitching last year...hit .199, OBP .318, and slugging .286. I think getting beaned by Sanchez in 2011 has affected him. He is close to being a platoon player. I do not think he is worth what Boras is going to try to get for him.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:05 PM

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From Buster Olney

Some rival evaluators very impressed with what CIN lineup might be:Choo, Phillips, Votto, Ludwick, Bruce, Frazier, Hanigan, Cozart. Balance.


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