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Who Steps-Up in 2013?

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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:36 PM

Who Steps-Up in 2013? 


Every season we have guys who play over-and-above what is expected of them. Last season (IMO) it was Frazier, Bailey, Ludwick, and Chapman.  Each of them was a key to the 97-win season.

Who steps-up this season and surprises us?  Guys who should be leading candidates (because of poor 2012 performance or injury) are Stubbs, Mesoraco, Leake, and Masset. We could also see young guys like Cozart, Bruce, Hoover, and Cingrani continue to evolve in their development.

Thoughts?


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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:40 PM

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My first inclination is that it's still too early to get involved in these kind of discussions. I don't think that you'll see some major moves before March; however, I do think some fine tuning should happen. I'm frankly more comfortable making these kinds of predictions once I have a very good feel for what the roster will be. 

That said, I think Latos is going to take it to the next level next year. He has elite stuff and is only getting better. I don't think he'll be Matt Cain, but just a shade below. I also like Mesoraco and think he'll play at a much higher level next year than he did in 2012. 


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Every season we have guys who play over-and-above what is expected of them. Last season (IMO) it was Frazier, Bailey, Ludwick, and Chapman.  Each of them was a key to the 97-win season.

Who steps-up this season and surprises us?  Guys who should be leading candidates (because of poor 2012 performance or injury) are Stubbs, Mesoraco, Leake, and Masset. We could also see young guys like Cozart, Bruce, Hoover, and Cingrani continue to evolve in their development.

Thoughts?
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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:35 PM

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Latos, Mesoraco, and Cingrani. Latos for the reasons kots said. Mesoraco will be a lot more comfortable this year and I think he will hit like he can. I think Cingrani is going to be an important LHP out of the bullpen for us.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 6:47 PM

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Don't sleep on Cozart...
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Posted: 12/8/2012 10:06 PM

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DocBuc wrote: Don't sleep on Cozart...
If they can acquire a legit leadoff man and insert Phillips in the 2 hole, I think Cozart takes a large step forward hitting down in the order.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 10:44 PM

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Chapman will prove the doubters wrong and toss a 15-5 record, 2.91 ERA, and K 225 batters in 175 IP, and our rotation as a whole is looked at arguably the best in all of baseball.

EDIT: I'll throw Bruce in there as well. I think he'll finally bump the average up a little (.278), which would also increase his power numbers. 39 HR, 112 RBI.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 11:49 PM

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2012 Homer = No Fluke...

2013 Homer = 17 wins

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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:20 AM

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kots4mvp14 wrote: My first inclination is that it's still too early to get involved in these kind of discussions. I don't think that you'll see some major moves before March; however, I do think some fine tuning should happen. I'm frankly more comfortable making these kinds of predictions once I have a very good feel for what the roster will be. 

That said, I think Latos is going to take it to the next level next year. He has elite stuff and is only getting better. I don't think he'll be Matt Cain, but just a shade below. I also like Mesoraco and think he'll play at a much higher level next year than he did in 2012. 


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Every season we have guys who play over-and-above what is expected of them. Last season (IMO) it was Frazier, Bailey, Ludwick, and Chapman.  Each of them was a key to the 97-win season.

Who steps-up this season and surprises us?  Guys who should be leading candidates (because of poor 2012 performance or injury) are Stubbs, Mesoraco, Leake, and Masset. We could also see young guys like Cozart, Bruce, Hoover, and Cingrani continue to evolve in their development.

Thoughts?
This site went days with only one active thread.  Just trying to expand the discussion a bit given the number of active members right now.


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Posted: 12/9/2012 9:36 AM

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I hope I didn't come off as an ahole here. Wasn't my intention.


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
kots4mvp14 wrote: My first inclination is that it's still too early to get involved in these kind of discussions. I don't think that you'll see some major moves before March; however, I do think some fine tuning should happen. I'm frankly more comfortable making these kinds of predictions once I have a very good feel for what the roster will be. 

That said, I think Latos is going to take it to the next level next year. He has elite stuff and is only getting better. I don't think he'll be Matt Cain, but just a shade below. I also like Mesoraco and think he'll play at a much higher level next year than he did in 2012. 


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Every season we have guys who play over-and-above what is expected of them. Last season (IMO) it was Frazier, Bailey, Ludwick, and Chapman.  Each of them was a key to the 97-win season.

Who steps-up this season and surprises us?  Guys who should be leading candidates (because of poor 2012 performance or injury) are Stubbs, Mesoraco, Leake, and Masset. We could also see young guys like Cozart, Bruce, Hoover, and Cingrani continue to evolve in their development.

Thoughts?
This site went days with only one active thread.  Just trying to expand the discussion a bit given the number of active members right now.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 10:18 AM

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naw cause you know better after the spring, correctomundo there. 
kots4mvp14 wrote: I hope I didn't come off as an ahole here. Wasn't my intention.


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
kots4mvp14 wrote: My first inclination is that it's still too early to get involved in these kind of discussions. I don't think that you'll see some major moves before March; however, I do think some fine tuning should happen. I'm frankly more comfortable making these kinds of predictions once I have a very good feel for what the roster will be. 

That said, I think Latos is going to take it to the next level next year. He has elite stuff and is only getting better. I don't think he'll be Matt Cain, but just a shade below. I also like Mesoraco and think he'll play at a much higher level next year than he did in 2012. 


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Every season we have guys who play over-and-above what is expected of them. Last season (IMO) it was Frazier, Bailey, Ludwick, and Chapman.  Each of them was a key to the 97-win season.

Who steps-up this season and surprises us?  Guys who should be leading candidates (because of poor 2012 performance or injury) are Stubbs, Mesoraco, Leake, and Masset. We could also see young guys like Cozart, Bruce, Hoover, and Cingrani continue to evolve in their development.

Thoughts?
This site went days with only one active thread.  Just trying to expand the discussion a bit given the number of active members right now.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 10:30 AM

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I will stand behind kots and say for now unsure, gotta do some DD after dudes start playing again in the spring.  But, I would expect Hoover to improve, along with Cingrani.  Corcino and billy push for their shot before sept.  I think Frazier steps up.  H Rod is one I am looking for to return to earlier form before he got hurt.  DiDi already has some wanting him over cozart, I a not one but that is a good ...problem to have.  I liked Didi from rookie league. Can he play OF, ha h ha or catch?  Hell, same goes for Soto.  If RD's kid lotzkar can stay healthy??????  who knows.  Heisey needs to improve, look for good things there .  Oh ya, Homer pushes Latos for #2 spot in the rotation and Chapman just kicks tail.  Don't expect any complete games from him, maybe 5 or 6 inn, 7 max.  But looking at the bully, damn, that is all we need.....again.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:10 PM

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There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you move Didi from SS.  He has the potential to be an elite defensive SS.


cincykid wrote: I will stand behind kots and say for now unsure, gotta do some DD after dudes start playing again in the spring.  But, I would expect Hoover to improve, along with Cingrani.  Corcino and billy push for their shot before sept.  I think Frazier steps up.  H Rod is one I am looking for to return to earlier form before he got hurt.  DiDi already has some wanting him over cozart, I a not one but that is a good ...problem to have.  I liked Didi from rookie league. Can he play OF, ha h ha or catch?  Hell, same goes for Soto.  If RD's kid lotzkar can stay healthy??????  who knows.  Heisey needs to improve, look for good things there .  Oh ya, Homer pushes Latos for #2 spot in the rotation and Chapman just kicks tail.  Don't expect any complete games from him, maybe 5 or 6 inn, 7 max.  But looking at the bully, damn, that is all we need.....again.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:15 PM

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Didi has some extremely nice potential at the six spot. What he did in the desert was amazing. Truthfully, I want him to be the opening day starter (it's early, I know). 


RDriesenUD wrote: There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you move Didi from SS.  He has the potential to be an elite defensive SS.


cincykid wrote: I will stand behind kots and say for now unsure, gotta do some DD after dudes start playing again in the spring.  But, I would expect Hoover to improve, along with Cingrani.  Corcino and billy push for their shot before sept.  I think Frazier steps up.  H Rod is one I am looking for to return to earlier form before he got hurt.  DiDi already has some wanting him over cozart, I a not one but that is a good ...problem to have.  I liked Didi from rookie league. Can he play OF, ha h ha or catch?  Hell, same goes for Soto.  If RD's kid lotzkar can stay healthy??????  who knows.  Heisey needs to improve, look for good things there .  Oh ya, Homer pushes Latos for #2 spot in the rotation and Chapman just kicks tail.  Don't expect any complete games from him, maybe 5 or 6 inn, 7 max.  But looking at the bully, damn, that is all we need.....again.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 1:01 PM

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kots4mvp14 wrote: Didi has some extremely nice potential at the six spot. What he did in the desert was amazing. Truthfully, I want him to be the opening day starter (it's early, I know). 


RDriesenUD wrote: There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you move Didi from SS.  He has the potential to be an elite defensive SS.


cincykid wrote: I will stand behind kots and say for now unsure, gotta do some DD after dudes start playing again in the spring.  But, I would expect Hoover to improve, along with Cingrani.  Corcino and billy push for their shot before sept.  I think Frazier steps up.  H Rod is one I am looking for to return to earlier form before he got hurt.  DiDi already has some wanting him over cozart, I a not one but that is a good ...problem to have.  I liked Didi from rookie league. Can he play OF, ha h ha or catch?  Hell, same goes for Soto.  If RD's kid lotzkar can stay healthy??????  who knows.  Heisey needs to improve, look for good things there .  Oh ya, Homer pushes Latos for #2 spot in the rotation and Chapman just kicks tail.  Don't expect any complete games from him, maybe 5 or 6 inn, 7 max.  But looking at the bully, damn, that is all we need.....again.

First you can't help calling yourself an ahole, now you are blatantly contradictory to that self described opinion.

tongue


Let's all kick Kots today!


I like Didi too, but I'd give Cozart first dibs this year anyway.  If only to inflate his trade value, because the Reds will probably be best suited to trade one of them by the start of 2014 season to fill other needs (and at this point I'd prefer we move Cozart rather than Didi too).

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Posted: 12/9/2012 1:55 PM

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kots4mvp14 wrote: I hope I didn't come off as an ahole here. Wasn't my intention.


FiestaBuckeye wrote:
kots4mvp14 wrote: My first inclination is that it's still too early to get involved in these kind of discussions. I don't think that you'll see some major moves before March; however, I do think some fine tuning should happen. I'm frankly more comfortable making these kinds of predictions once I have a very good feel for what the roster will be. 

That said, I think Latos is going to take it to the next level next year. He has elite stuff and is only getting better. I don't think he'll be Matt Cain, but just a shade below. I also like Mesoraco and think he'll play at a much higher level next year than he did in 2012. 


FiestaBuckeye wrote: Every season we have guys who play over-and-above what is expected of them. Last season (IMO) it was Frazier, Bailey, Ludwick, and Chapman.  Each of them was a key to the 97-win season.

Who steps-up this season and surprises us?  Guys who should be leading candidates (because of poor 2012 performance or injury) are Stubbs, Mesoraco, Leake, and Masset. We could also see young guys like Cozart, Bruce, Hoover, and Cingrani continue to evolve in their development.

Thoughts?
This site went days with only one active thread.  Just trying to expand the discussion a bit given the number of active members right now.
No biggie, like I said, just trying to get some discussion going.

Mesoraco is the obvious in my mind, he's simply too talented to continue performing like 2012. He was often lost at the plate, and that's unlikely to continue. Gotta expect a significant step is going to be made (this season) in his development both at the plate and handling the pitching staff.

In 2011, Cozart was a STUD until he was injured.  Can't expect him to perform at that level consistently, but we should expect something in between 2011 & 2012 with a full season in MLB under his belt. Personally, I was THRILLED with his defense in 2012, he simply needs to make more consistent, solid contact at the plate.

Cingrani (IMO) needs a full season as a starter at AAA developing his secondary pitches.  If he's ever going to be a top-notch starter in the majors, he can't be rushed. He needs the luxury of developing those pitches while not pitching under the bright lights of MLB. If the Reds rush him, he's destined to be a relief pitcher, IMO.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect a big step forward this season for Leake. Being successful (for a guy who tops-out at 90 MPH) requires the ability to locate and change speeds while using a 3-4 pitch mix.  He has everything it takes to be a successful major league pitcher (intelligence, savvy, good fielder), but it may take some additional time to get there.  Like Cingrani IMO, the more he can pitch at Louisville in 2013, the better it'll be for his development.

Two of my favorites to follow are Bruce & Bailey.  Both are on the cusp of being a star if they can take that one more step (consistency) in their development. Both are at the age that they're just entering their prime years, and both are close to being the players we'd hoped.  If both break-out and take the extra step, imagine how good this team may be.


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Posted: 12/9/2012 2:31 PM

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You guys know I want him to be the Reds SS.


kots4mvp14 wrote: Didi has some extremely nice potential at the six spot. What he did in the desert was amazing. Truthfully, I want him to be the opening day starter (it's early, I know). 


RDriesenUD wrote: There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you move Didi from SS.  He has the potential to be an elite defensive SS.


cincykid wrote: I will stand behind kots and say for now unsure, gotta do some DD after dudes start playing again in the spring.  But, I would expect Hoover to improve, along with Cingrani.  Corcino and billy push for their shot before sept.  I think Frazier steps up.  H Rod is one I am looking for to return to earlier form before he got hurt.  DiDi already has some wanting him over cozart, I a not one but that is a good ...problem to have.  I liked Didi from rookie league. Can he play OF, ha h ha or catch?  Hell, same goes for Soto.  If RD's kid lotzkar can stay healthy??????  who knows.  Heisey needs to improve, look for good things there .  Oh ya, Homer pushes Latos for #2 spot in the rotation and Chapman just kicks tail.  Don't expect any complete games from him, maybe 5 or 6 inn, 7 max.  But looking at the bully, damn, that is all we need.....again.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:29 PM

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see what did i say  ?  He is an athlete.  Best man win is all I can say.  Gonna take play.  tongue
kots4mvp14 wrote: Didi has some extremely nice potential at the six spot. What he did in the desert was amazing. Truthfully, I want him to be the opening day starter (it's early, I know). 


RDriesenUD wrote: There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you move Didi from SS.  He has the potential to be an elite defensive SS.


cincykid wrote: I will stand behind kots and say for now unsure, gotta do some DD after dudes start playing again in the spring.  But, I would expect Hoover to improve, along with Cingrani.  Corcino and billy push for their shot before sept.  I think Frazier steps up.  H Rod is one I am looking for to return to earlier form before he got hurt.  DiDi already has some wanting him over cozart, I a not one but that is a good ...problem to have.  I liked Didi from rookie league. Can he play OF, ha h ha or catch?  Hell, same goes for Soto.  If RD's kid lotzkar can stay healthy??????  who knows.  Heisey needs to improve, look for good things there .  Oh ya, Homer pushes Latos for #2 spot in the rotation and Chapman just kicks tail.  Don't expect any complete games from him, maybe 5 or 6 inn, 7 max.  But looking at the bully, damn, that is all we need.....again.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:19 PM

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I'm going farm too here so I have to say I really like bryson smith, he can hit. Also Amir Garrett is another arm to keep track of. Stephenson is touching 100 and looks good doing it, I read. Shew he is still just a kid, watch the hell out league. I saw H Rod was hitting south o the border, doubles pop. There is my sleeper-Henry Rodriquez along with Bryson.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:32 PM

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Two most important, Chapman o course and then Mes has to rate pretty high. And whoever we bring in to platoon or whatever in Center, leading off...hoping anyway.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 8:04 PM

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Chooooooooooooooo steps up baby!!!!
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