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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:11 PM

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Particularly when Phillips doesn't imbibe himself.


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It's all fun and games until someone is picked off second base.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:46 AM

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I see you conveniently left out most of my post, especially the part that stated I was still glad we had him.  Still, if you don't think he is a head case, then you are entitled to look the other way. Those hamstrings really flare up whenever he hits a weak grounder or a pop up with risp.  He has made many base-running mistakes, and has been thrown out at second by loafing on what should have been doubles.  If you really believe that going public on ESPN saying, "I am the straw that stirs the drink on this team.  As I go so go the Reds," pleases 24 other guys, you are entitled to that belief also.  I never heard Bench, Rose, Morgan, Griffey Sr or Jr, Foster, or Larkin make such an egotistical statement.

Yes, he is talented.  Like I said, he need a firm handed manager, and that is my opinion.  A time to quit tweeting and be focused.
OhioRaiderNation wrote:
Theshadowman wrote:
BP gets all tied up in BP. Runs well when he wants to. Steals bases when the mood hits him.  Stands off the base and starts rapping with his buddies, and gets tagged out. He was accused of ordering room service to deliver alcohol to Josh Hamilton's room bc he was jealous of all the attention Hamilton was getting. Obviously, IDK if that is true, but I heard that on MLB radio, and that is serious stuff. I believe you can enjoy playing the game, and still keep your head in it. 
I know you don't like the guy but I don't think you are being fair at all in this post.

He has dealt with leg injuries the last couple years including a hamstring issue early this season, a calf issue toward the middle and a groin issue at the end of the season.  For a guy who is now in his 30s with good, not great, speed.  Even a minor leg injury would prevent him from stealing bases.

Yes, he got picked off talking to Jimmy Rollins once.  Rapping with his buddies?  Yikes.  BP has made countless heads up plays but those are forgotten because he's a "hot dog".

And shame on MLB radio for putting that Josh Hamilton story out there.  How does one prove definitively that something DID NOT happen?
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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:34 AM

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I never said nor implied that you didn't want him on this team, I said you didn't like him.  I'm not talking about BP claiming he is injured so he doesn't have to run out grounders, he has had documented leg injuries that he has missed games for.  Even when you "recover" from those, you aren't quite right for a while and you lack the explosiveness it takes to steal bases.  I never once said he hustles out every grounder because he doesn't.  Votto never hustles out weak grounders but is that okay because he doesn't have a Twitter account?  Like I said before, all of his "hustle" or "heads up" plays have been forgotten.

BP has a big ego, that's without a doubt and it can be irritating sometimes because you wish he would just STFU.  I also don't think comparing him to the greats of Cincinnati history is necessarily fair either.  Although, I do take an exception with your inclusion of Rose on that list.  You've never heard Pete Rose make an egotistical statement?  Talk about looking the other way...

I'm not here to say BP is the ultimate hustle player, as humble as they come but I'm saying you are going over the top with hyperbole and mongering nasty rumors to support your case and I don't think it's fair
Theshadowman wrote: I see you conveniently left out most of my post, especially the part that stated I was still glad we had him.  Still, if you don't think he is a head case, then you are entitled to look the other way. Those hamstrings really flare up whenever he hits a weak grounder or a pop up with risp.  He has made many base-running mistakes, and has been thrown out at second by loafing on what should have been doubles.  If you really believe that going public on ESPN saying, "I am the straw that stirs the drink on this team.  As I go so go the Reds," pleases 24 other guys, you are entitled to that belief also.  I never heard Bench, Rose, Morgan, Griffey Sr or Jr, Foster, or Larkin make such an egotistical statement.

Yes, he is talented.  Like I said, he need a firm handed manager, and that is my opinion.  A time to quit tweeting and be focused.
OhioRaiderNation wrote:
Theshadowman wrote:
BP gets all tied up in BP. Runs well when he wants to. Steals bases when the mood hits him.  Stands off the base and starts rapping with his buddies, and gets tagged out. He was accused of ordering room service to deliver alcohol to Josh Hamilton's room bc he was jealous of all the attention Hamilton was getting. Obviously, IDK if that is true, but I heard that on MLB radio, and that is serious stuff. I believe you can enjoy playing the game, and still keep your head in it. 
I know you don't like the guy but I don't think you are being fair at all in this post.

He has dealt with leg injuries the last couple years including a hamstring issue early this season, a calf issue toward the middle and a groin issue at the end of the season.  For a guy who is now in his 30s with good, not great, speed.  Even a minor leg injury would prevent him from stealing bases.

Yes, he got picked off talking to Jimmy Rollins once.  Rapping with his buddies?  Yikes.  BP has made countless heads up plays but those are forgotten because he's a "hot dog".

And shame on MLB radio for putting that Josh Hamilton story out there.  How does one prove definitively that something DID NOT happen?
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Posted: 11/30/2012 2:52 PM

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While I have heard Rose brag quite a bit about the teams he played on, I never heard him say anything close to that which I mentioned regarding BP.  Truth is, I believe BP should have been awarded the gold glove.  I am just not going to get all bent over individual awards. To call out Votto for not hustling after knee surgery is absurd.  He never hit another HR after returning bc he couldn't even use his legs in his swing.  I'll bet BP could get a pretty good speed down to first base if a certain Cardinals catcher was after him.biggrin
OhioRaiderNation wrote: I never said nor implied that you didn't want him on this team, I said you didn't like him.  I'm not talking about BP claiming he is injured so he doesn't have to run out grounders, he has had documented leg injuries that he has missed games for.  Even when you "recover" from those, you aren't quite right for a while and you lack the explosiveness it takes to steal bases.  I never once said he hustles out every grounder because he doesn't.  Votto never hustles out weak grounders but is that okay because he doesn't have a Twitter account?  Like I said before, all of his "hustle" or "heads up" plays have been forgotten.

BP has a big ego, that's without a doubt and it can be irritating sometimes because you wish he would just STFU.  I also don't think comparing him to the greats of Cincinnati history is necessarily fair either.  Although, I do take an exception with your inclusion of Rose on that list.  You've never heard Pete Rose make an egotistical statement?  Talk about looking the other way...

I'm not here to say BP is the ultimate hustle player, as humble as they come but I'm saying you are going over the top with hyperbole and mongering nasty rumors to support your case and I don't think it's fair
Theshadowman wrote: I see you conveniently left out most of my post, especially the part that stated I was still glad we had him.  Still, if you don't think he is a head case, then you are entitled to look the other way. Those hamstrings really flare up whenever he hits a weak grounder or a pop up with risp.  He has made many base-running mistakes, and has been thrown out at second by loafing on what should have been doubles.  If you really believe that going public on ESPN saying, "I am the straw that stirs the drink on this team.  As I go so go the Reds," pleases 24 other guys, you are entitled to that belief also.  I never heard Bench, Rose, Morgan, Griffey Sr or Jr, Foster, or Larkin make such an egotistical statement.

Yes, he is talented.  Like I said, he need a firm handed manager, and that is my opinion.  A time to quit tweeting and be focused.
OhioRaiderNation wrote:
Theshadowman wrote:
BP gets all tied up in BP. Runs well when he wants to. Steals bases when the mood hits him.  Stands off the base and starts rapping with his buddies, and gets tagged out. He was accused of ordering room service to deliver alcohol to Josh Hamilton's room bc he was jealous of all the attention Hamilton was getting. Obviously, IDK if that is true, but I heard that on MLB radio, and that is serious stuff. I believe you can enjoy playing the game, and still keep your head in it. 
I know you don't like the guy but I don't think you are being fair at all in this post.

He has dealt with leg injuries the last couple years including a hamstring issue early this season, a calf issue toward the middle and a groin issue at the end of the season.  For a guy who is now in his 30s with good, not great, speed.  Even a minor leg injury would prevent him from stealing bases.

Yes, he got picked off talking to Jimmy Rollins once.  Rapping with his buddies?  Yikes.  BP has made countless heads up plays but those are forgotten because he's a "hot dog".

And shame on MLB radio for putting that Josh Hamilton story out there.  How does one prove definitively that something DID NOT happen?
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Posted: 11/30/2012 3:53 PM

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BP is the best defensive 2nd baseman in the game.  PERIOD

Nothing else should matter in the voting.  What a crime.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:17 PM

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Theshadowman wrote: While I have heard Rose brag quite a bit about the teams he played on, I never heard him say anything close to that which I mentioned regarding BP.  Truth is, I believe BP should have been awarded the gold glove.  I am just not going to get all bent over individual awards. To call out Votto for not hustling after knee surgery is absurd.  He never hit another HR after returning bc he couldn't even use his legs in his swing.  I'll bet BP could get a pretty good speed down to first base if a certain Cardinals catcher was after him.biggrin
I'm not talking about after surgery.  Even before surgery, Votto doesn't hustle to 1st on grounders.  I don't have a huge issue with it, but I'm just saying be even with the criticism.

I'm with you on the individual awards, I could care less.

Here's a few Pete Rose nuggets:

"I told him (Pete Rose, Jr.) who to watch. I said if you want to be a catcher, watch Johnny Bench. If you want to be a right-handed power hitter, watch Mike Schmidt. If you just want to be a hitter, watch me."

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs and four-thousand hits."

The guy is a walking ego.  Not an ego, I dislike.  If you are that good, your ego can be as big as it wants
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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:37 AM

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True enough, and by the way, the Reds actually could have had Schmidt on that team (He is a native of Dayton where he played college bb).  That would have been scary.  But at least he did mention a couple of others in his statement, and I believe what he was saying there, was that he was not ultra talented, just gave all he had every game out.

And yes, BP is the best glove at 2B in the game, just saying even if it isn't right, when you tick off enough people, they will consider that when voting.  Just look at Ryan Braun' s numbers this year, and he got very little consideration for MVP.
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