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Ozzie gives Ohman some tough love

Posted: 4/5/2011 8:26 PM

Ozzie gives Ohman some tough love 


http://espn.go.com/blog/chicag...some-tough-love

“He’s here, I have to use him; we’ve got only 11 pitchers,” Guillen said. “I don’t have the luxury to [matchup Ohman to lefties]. Maybe later on I will. But he’s got to get his head out of his [expletive]. I don’t want to punish the kid. He had what, two bad games? He knows that, we all know that. I’m not going to change anything.”

It’s probably not the answer many White Sox fans want to hear after the left-hander gave up three runs in each of his first two outings and carried a 27.00 ERA into the second series of the season, this one against Kansas City.



You dumb ****, Ozzie!!! You didn't NEED to go with an 11-man pitching staff!  Especially not when you play 12 games in 13 games to start the season!  You're punishing Sox fans!  Who cares about Ohman's feelings.  He's 33 ****ing years old!  Who cares about Lillibridge or Milledge.  There's a reason why they're the 24th & 25th guys on the roster.

Well we can forget about Ozzie using Ohman as LOOGY.   Not all relievers are created equal; especially for LOOGY & closers.  But apparently he can't figure that out.
 
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Posted: 4/5/2011 8:34 PM

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“I don’t care what the fans think or what the media says,” Guillen said. “It’s my problem He needs to pitch. We need him pitching. If he’s not going to help us, we’ll put people in his place that will. I’m not going to put him in and then yank him back out. If you’re pitching and you see someone warming up right away, you lose your confidence. I want to show this kid I still have confidence in him and that he can get people out. I still believe he can help us.”

Well **** you too, Ozzie. 

He needs to pitch against lefties only. This is just common sense / Baseball 101.  To steal a quote from 'Frasier' : "[Ozzie], life isn't hard, you make it hard."   rolleyes

If anybody wonders why I have such animosity towards Ozzie, this is just another example.   Ozzie can just go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTLdmhdyIw
 
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Posted: 4/6/2011 8:38 AM

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I could be wrong, but when Gobble was with the Sox, didn't he say something about not believing in using LOOGYs?  Paraphrasing of course?

That sticks out because this was right after Trey Hillman said the same thing, made the dude face more right handed batters, watched him suck, and then he ended up with the Sox. 

I like Ozzie, but at times he seems like one of the many managers who dismisses ideas like LOOGYs just because.
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Posted: 4/6/2011 9:56 AM

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Are there any right-handed pitchers who can only pitch against right-handed hitters?  Like the opposite of a LOOGY?

I've never appreciated this "left-handed specialist" crap either.  The stats say that it exists to some extent as in Ohman's case, but I don't understand it.  Either you are a good pitcher and you get people out or you don't and you suck.  It shouldn't matter which side of the plate a batter hits from.
"Passan even looks like a dwarf, like that little annoying kid in class who eats Elmer's glue, has the plastic scissors and scratches people's faces." Concealed78
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Posted: 4/6/2011 11:24 AM

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I think lefty relievers get their own special attention largely due to the fact that right-handed pitchers & batters vastly outnumber left-handers, and in theory, lefty-batters would have the most trouble against lefty-pitchers due to seeing them the least amount of times.  

Righty-batters get much more practice against righty-pitchers, and have an advantage of picking up the break of the ball off lefty-pitchers easier, as of a pitch coming from the outside part of the plate as opposed to inside.

In turn, lefty-batters have an advantage that they're half a step closer to 1st base right from the batter's box & see many more breaking pitches from righties.  

The Sox breakdown:

Pitchers
6 righties, 5 lefties-(high)

Batters
9 righties, 4 lefties, 1 switch hitter (whom tend to be natural lefties, tho some question why should they even bother switch-hitting if they vastly hit better from one side)

They say lefty relievers are invaluable because of the relative scarcity of them.  It's the only saving grace for mediocre pitchers like Will Ohman, whom if he was right-handed, he would have never lasted in MLB. 

I guess it's also why almost all pitchers throw overhand from with a 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock / three-quarters arm angle as opposed to sidearm and submarine style.  Dennis Eckersley was probably the best sidearm pitcher in the Modern Era, and as a quick footnote, it always seemed like Jose Contreras got hammered when he dropped down to sidearm, probably due to the ball basically coming straight in elevation to home plate the entire time. 

It's also difficult to put much heat on submarine pitches, and there weren't too many of those pitchers around (Shingo Takatsu, Steve Olin, Terry Leach, Todd Forhwirth, Dan Quisenberry).  They say that style puts much less stress on the shoulder & elbow, yet almost nobody seems to care.  And once players started lifting iron in the 1980s, the knuckleball went the way of the dodo.
 
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Posted: 4/8/2011 10:37 AM

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I think it just comes down to knowing your personnel. Ozzie acts like bringing someone in to face a batter, then taking him out is such a difficult, agonizing situation. If you are bringing in a guy like Ohman, you know what you are getting, so why make him do something that is he simply not good enough to do, furthermore, at the cost of blowing a game. If managers are in the business of winning games, which I am sure most of them would like to do, does bringing in a guy to face a batter, getting him out, then bringing someone else in that much of a big deal. It seems like every year I am torn between wanting this team to win a championship and watching them lose 100 games so that Ozzie is gone. He would rather be stubborn and moronic and lose the "Ozzie" way then make adjustments to his managing style.  I don't even know what the Ozzie way is at this point. The longer he manages the longer I think in 05 the players did not understand anything he had to say, and just went out there and played.
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Posted: 4/8/2011 12:04 PM

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southsidepride023 wrote: I think it just comes down to knowing your personnel. Ozzie acts like bringing someone in to face a batter, then taking him out is such a difficult, agonizing situation. If you are bringing in a guy like Ohman, you know what you are getting, so why make him do something that is he simply not good enough to do, furthermore, at the cost of blowing a game. If managers are in the business of winning games, which I am sure most of them would like to do, does bringing in a guy to face a batter, getting him out, then bringing someone else in that much of a big deal. It seems like every year I am torn between wanting this team to win a championship and watching them lose 100 games so that Ozzie is gone. He would rather be stubborn and moronic and lose the "Ozzie" way then make adjustments to his managing style.  I don't even know what the Ozzie way is at this point. The longer he manages the longer I think in 05 the players did not understand anything he had to say, and just went out there and played.
Ozzie is just not a good manager, in the statistical sense.  Yeah he played the game, won some awards, a couple of rings, has loyalty & friends, knows how to deal with players personalities and create sound bytes that the media loves, but when it comes down to fundamentals, strategy, situational match-ups, understanding sabermetrics - he totally sucks.  Everything else is just basically "what's going to happen regardless of who's manager". 

Ozzie will never be revered as a great statistician or student of the game.  The best thing we can hope for is that Ozzie does something so heinous it gets him fired or he gets so upset he quits.   2005 was great, but there are unfortunately consequences from it, and we're seeing it in the front office & dugout.  Who knows what kind of direction the team would be on if they never traded for Peavy, Manny, Jr Griffey, Teabagger, Linebrink or the other 8 dozen ex-Kansas City Royals & minor leaguers.
 
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Posted: 4/8/2011 12:49 PM

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Don't know why GA4HOF deleted his post, but basically:

An article stating lefties have an advantage in baseball:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25611171/

“Ninety percent of the human population is right-handed, but in baseball 25 percent of the players, both pitchers and hitters, are left-handed,” Peters said. 
Of the 61 enshrined pitchers, 13 are left-handed, according to John Odell, curator of history and research at the Hall of Fame. At 21 percent, that’s more than twice the percentage of lefties in the general population. 
The numbers for hitters were even more startling. Odell said 71 Hall of Fame position players batted right-handed, 59 left-handed, and eight were switch-hitters.


Basically using baseball-reference.com and this link:
http://www.baseball-reference....nder.cgi?type=b

For hitters (throws any):

For 2010, Bats RH, Played (at least) 1% of games at C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF or DH, sorted by name Seasons/Careers found: 341.
For 2010, Bats LH, Played (at least) 1% of games at C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF or DH, sorted by name Seasons/Careers found: 191.
For 2010, Switch-hitter, Played (at least) 1% of games at C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF or DH, sorted by name Seasons/Careers found: 92.

I'm assuming that switch hitters are not included in the RH or LH results, and I have no idea what the breakdown of switch hitters on which side they prefer.

So total hitters in 2010 not including the pitchers batting: 624
RH: 54.6%
LH: 30.6%
SH: 14.7%

Then for pitchers:

For 2010, Throws RH, Played (at least) 1% of games at P, sorted by name Seasons/Careers found: 396.
For 2010, Throws LH, Played (at least) 1% of games at P, sorted by name Seasons/Careers found: 147.

Much easier since there are no pitchers who throw lefty & righty tongue 543:

RH: 72.93%
LH: 27.07%

And guessing the breakdown for switchhitters 14.7%, probably:
as LH vs RH 72.93%
as RH vs LH 27.07%

Still trying to find the pitcher vs batter breakdown.
 
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Posted: 4/10/2011 8:47 PM

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tonusaitis wrote: Are there any right-handed pitchers who can only pitch against right-handed hitters?  Like the opposite of a LOOGY?
Ehren Wasserman.

Over his brief career, righties hit .242 against him (149 Batters Faced), while lefties hit .432 against him (46 Batters Faced).
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Posted: 4/11/2011 8:15 AM

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Donaldo wrote:
tonusaitis wrote: Are there any right-handed pitchers who can only pitch against right-handed hitters?  Like the opposite of a LOOGY?
Ehren Wasserman.

Over his brief career, righties hit .242 against him (149 Batters Faced), while lefties hit .432 against him (46 Batters Faced).
Woof.

Wasserman!





Throwin' them sidearm there.

2007:
vs RHB as RHP: .174 AVE / .227 OBP / .203 SLG /.430 OPS
vs LHB as RHP: .533 AVE / .632 OBP / .733 SLG / 1.365 OPS

2008:
vs RHB as RHP: .322 AVE / .429 OBP / .458 SLG / .886 OPS
vs LHB as RHP: .364 AVE / .444 OBP / .545 SLG / .990 OPS

He last pitched for the Phillie's AAA-Lehigh Valley posting a 6.23 ERA in 26 IP.  Ozzie sure as hell didn't do his job in 2007 ohlord

And for some reason, he's Tweezer's avatar!
 

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Posted: 4/11/2011 7:45 PM

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I try to repress all memory of Ehren Wasserman.    Bad, bad, bad.smiley-sick029.gif

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -Albert Einstein

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Posted: 4/11/2011 11:07 PM

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concealed78 wrote:


And for some reason, he's Tweezer's avatar!

Angry Ehren is an awesome avatar.

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Posted: 4/12/2011 8:31 AM

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He doesn't look very angry!

"Lefties hit .533 against me. Hmmm. **stares** "
 
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Posted: 4/13/2011 3:30 AM

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Ohman has just decided to ignore anything Ozzie has to say whatsoever and has looked pretty good the last two games. I hope Ozzie decides to call out Pena for the hor$e$hit job he has done this year so far. I have absolutely hated him more than any Sox player over the last two years. I feel like anytime he comes into a game with runners on, they score no matter what. Maybe Ozzie can call Kenny out for trading for Pena as well. I don't care if Brandon Allan hits .042 and goes on a nun murdering spree, that trade will always be a Arizona winner.
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