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2013 White Sox - what to do?

Posted: 5/11/2013 9:29 AM

2013 White Sox - what to do? 


This is for MLB, not just American League:

Last in hits, last in OBP, last in doubles, 2nd to last in runs, RBIs.

Despite all this, the pitching staff is 8th ranked with a 3.54 ERA. If it weren't for the pitching, they would be even worse than 14-19.

I think it might finally happen & this team is a seller come July. As for the hitters, I would trade everyone & even Konerko to the National League if he wants to try & get another ring. Rios is the only hitter that has value but his salary ($12.5M '13 tho that's at $10M due now), $12.5M in '14 & $13.5M team option in '15 with trade clause bump option buyout included at a still very modest $1M. You  might actually be able to get some decent prospects for Rios. Nobody would be stupid enough to take Dunn, unfortunately. If they're going to rebuild through free agency, they need to get rid of the high priced crud on payroll. They have about $60M spent on hitting that's doing absolutely nothing, which $48M is dedicated to Rios, Dunn, Konerko & Ramirez alone.

In the pen, Thornton is having a decent season 2.61 ERA but only 10.1 IP pitched, and I would love if the Sox could unload Peavy's big contract (
$12.5M '13, $12.5M '14, $13.5M '15 player option. If Danks comes back & is somewhat decent, flip him back to Texas.

Or they could just keep doing what they're doing, hoover around .500 & play in empty an stadium on a team that nobody wants to see.
 
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Posted: 5/11/2013 8:15 PM

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Thornton, Quintana, and Santiago are all Lefties, so there's major trade value there.  Dunn is the only player I can't see anybody taking.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 7:43 AM

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I wouldn't trade Quintana, Santiago or Sale.

Everyone else? Absolutely.
 
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Posted: 5/12/2013 12:01 PM

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I think Concealed is right we have to dump whatever we can at this point. Last year, we got lucky with the way some of the young guys stepped up. This year not so much. I think not having a farm system finally caught up to us. We need to shed some major salary. If there is any way to dump Rios, Dunn, Peavy, any of the bullpen, we should jump at it.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 12:49 PM

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I still think it's too early to blow it up.

I'd give it to the end of this month before talking about pulling the plug.   And it's also not that easy to do it considering most clubs probably aren't interested in a lot of the Sox players.
"Passan even looks like a dwarf, like that little annoying kid in class who eats Elmer's glue, has the plastic scissors and scratches people's faces." Concealed78
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Posted: 5/12/2013 2:11 PM

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It's real easy for me to say "blow it up" because I don't care about filling the stadium in 2013 in June, July & August, because I care more about 2014 & beyond now and Sox marketing is more concerned about the present. It really sucks when you're the worst hitting team in all of MLB & you have no farm to promote. But when you have the 8th highest payroll & the 7th worst record in MLB (4th worst in the AL) something needs to be done.

But I was never in love with this team & while the pitching has held up & it may even get better, the hitting & fielding has regressed.

The single biggest problem with the 2nd Wild Card is now mathematically more teams are in it even longer, so it basically killed the trading deadline.

And while some of our 1-2-3-4-5 guys suck, maybe they could be a 6-7-8-9 on a good team or bench. Maybe somebody on a 2nd or 3rd place team gets hurt or wants 4 months of Alex Rios instead of 2.

Remember, this is last place in the A.L. Central & probably neither Wild Card will be in the Central. Sox don't even play the Tigers until July 9th.
 
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Posted: 5/12/2013 9:50 PM

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I completely agree I just hate not getting something for a commodity. Floyd could have given us at least a possible prospect, he gets hurt, and that is it. We need to find some major league bats somewhere. I just worry even if we do clear salary and blow up the team, there is no guarantee that this regime can pick up the right free agents.
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Posted: 5/13/2013 12:08 AM

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southsidepride023 wrote: I completely agree I just hate not getting something for a commodity. Floyd could have given us at least a possible prospect, he gets hurt, and that is it. We need to find some major league bats somewhere. I just worry even if we do clear salary and blow up the team, there is no guarantee that this regime can pick up the right free agents.
At least they would have the chance to dip into the free agent market. When was the last time the Sox had a major free agent? Yeah, frickin' Dunn, and before that? We kept trading for other team's overpaid guys like Rios & Peavy

2014 would have brought some much needed salary relief but then the Sox ended up offering Danks, Sale, Peavy, Ramirez extensions. In 2014, they have almost $70M ($69.25M) on just SIX guys - Sale is only $3.5M of that.

When I see things like Peavy, Danks & Floyd being lost for full seasons & more, it really makes me wonder how much pain they pitch in until they get that big contract.

And btw, SO happy we never bothered with Hamilton:
 
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Posted: 5/13/2013 7:49 PM

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concealed78 wrote: I wouldn't trade Quintana, Santiago or Sale.
I don't want to trade them either, but they clearly have the most trade value.

Although I think it would be a good idea to trade Sale before Tommy John comes calling.

Last edited 5/13/2013 7:53 PM by Donaldo

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Posted: 5/14/2013 10:03 AM

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Donaldo wrote:
concealed78 wrote: I wouldn't trade Quintana, Santiago or Sale.
I don't want to trade them either, but they clearly have the most trade value.

Although I think it would be a good idea to trade Sale before Tommy John comes calling.

Kind of defeats the whole purpose when you have quality starting pitching only to get rid of it & turn a strength into a weakness. I think it would be much easier to replace crappy hitting.

If the Sox get rid of Sale, there better be near-top 1st pound picks involved & at least 2 everyday starters included. And forget about Toronto, they're depleted.

 
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Posted: 5/16/2013 11:00 PM

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Donaldo wrote:

Although I think it would be a good idea to trade Sale before Tommy John comes calling.
Yup - I definitely have a "Travis & Old Yeller' perspective on Chris Sale. Yes he saves the bullpen & Sox record & all that... until one day his elbow ligaments go rabid ..crazy
 
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Posted: 5/19/2013 8:51 AM

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Despite a 19-22 record, this may look encouraging: Sox had the lead in 32 of 41 games

10 of those losses are on the bullpen, 4 was on the abhorrent now-ceased Floyd, and if the starting pitching does its job:

SplitWL W-L% ERAGGSGFCGSHOSVIPHRERHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPBFWHIPSO/9SO/BB
in Wins 19 0 1.000 1.66 19 14 1 1 1 0 97.2 65 19 18 8 21 1 99 2 0 2 372 0.881 9.1 4.71
in Losses 0 22 .000 7.31 22 12 5 0 0 0 76.1 100 73 62 13 33 5 65 5 0 3 362 1.742 7.7 1.97
in No Dec. 0 0 3.31 110 15 20 0 0 0 176.2 151 70 65 17 70 2 145 7 0 7 737 1.251 7.4 2.07
in Saves 0 0 1.29 14 0 14 0 0 14 14.0 8 2 2 0 5 0 14 1 0 0 56 0.929 9.0 2.80
in Sv Situ 0 2 .000 2.58 48 0 14 0 0 14 38.1 28 12 11 1 18 1 35 1 0 3 161 1.200 8.2 1.94
in non-Sv 5 8 .385 4.54 76 0 26 0 0 0 79.1 78 46 40 5 41 5 69 4 0 4 347 1.500 7.8 1.68



SplitWLW-L%ERAGGSGFCGSHOSVIPHRERHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPBFWHIP
as Starter 14 12 .538 3.50 41 41 0 1 1 0 247.0 218 106 96 32 70 2 219 10 0 5 1019 1.166
as Reliever 5 10 .333 3.90 124 0 40 0 0 14 117.2 106 58 51 6 59 6 104 5 0 7 508 1.402
 

Last edited 5/19/2013 8:56 AM by concealed78

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Posted: 5/23/2013 8:18 PM

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tonusaitis wrote: And it's also not that easy to do it considering most clubs probably aren't interested in a lot of the Sox players.
I know that most teams aren't as willing to part with their prospects as they used to be.

The last thing I want to see is a repeat of last year, with a mediocre team competing in a bad division.  Then everybody gets pennant fever and the Sox become buyers at the trade deadline, only to see the team crumble in August or September and fall short of the playoffs.

I've seen that scenario unfold too many times; that's why I never hopped on the bandwagon in 2012... I knew exactly what was going to happen.

Be either really good and make the postseason, or really bad and get a good draft pick.  Mediocrity is the WORST thing possible.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:32 PM

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Donaldo wrote:
tonusaitis wrote: And it's also not that easy to do it considering most clubs probably aren't interested in a lot of the Sox players.
I know that most teams aren't as willing to part with their prospects as they used to be.

The last thing I want to see is a repeat of last year, with a mediocre team competing in a bad division.  Then everybody gets pennant fever and the Sox become buyers at the trade deadline, only to see the team crumble in August or September and fall short of the playoffs.

I've seen that scenario unfold too many times; that's why I never hopped on the bandwagon in 2012... I knew exactly what was going to happen.

Be either really good and make the postseason, or really bad and get a good draft pick.  Mediocrity is the WORST thing possible.
I hoping the Hahn era is different and that Peavy, Crain, Thornton and Rios become hot property.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:15 PM

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tonusaitis wrote: I still think it's too early to blow it up.

I'd give it to the end of this month before talking about pulling the plug.
After two blowout losses to a last place team, there's no other option right now.

But Gordon Beckham is coming off the disabled list.  rolleyes

This isn't any commentary on Beckham's abilities or lack thereof.  Hypothetically speaking, let's say that Beckham is an MVP caliber player.  One player can't negate the fact that...
1. This team has no Catcher.
2. This team has no leadoff hitter
3. This team has no First Baseman
4. This team has no Designated Hitter
5. Left Field is spotty at best


tick, tick, tick... BOOM.
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Posted: 6/1/2013 1:36 PM

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Donaldo wrote:
tonusaitis wrote: I still think it's too early to blow it up.

I'd give it to the end of this month before talking about pulling the plug.
After two blowout losses to a last place team, there's no other option right now.

But Gordon Beckham is coming off the disabled list.  rolleyes

This isn't any commentary on Beckham's abilities or lack thereof.  Hypothetically speaking, let's say that Beckham is an MVP caliber player.  One player can't negate the fact that...
1. This team has no Catcher.
2. This team has no leadoff hitter
3. This team has no First Baseman
4. This team has no Designated Hitter
5. Left Field is spotty at best


tick, tick, tick... BOOM.
Better this happens now than say.. August 1st.

Nobody is going to watch this pitiful team. They're going to be playing in an empty stadium of untradeable players. Maybe some team will be stupid enough to give the Sox some low prospects for our junk.
 
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Posted: 6/1/2013 1:49 PM

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Donaldo wrote:

1. This team has no Catcher.
2. This team has no leadoff hitter
3. This team has no First Baseman
4. This team has no Designated Hitter
5. Left Field is spotty at best
The Sox have a decent 2nd baseman, a 3rd baseman & a centerfielder, too? tongue

I have to say, the future hasn't looked as bleak as this since the mid-1980s.

Looks like Kenny Williams has succeeded in being the second coming of Hawk Harrelson & completely destroying the minor league system. But as long as Kenny has plenty of peanut butter to spread on his lobster... ohlord
 
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Posted: 6/1/2013 7:57 PM

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concealed78 wrote:The Sox have a decent 2nd baseman, a 3rd baseman & a centerfielder, too? tongue

I have to say, the future hasn't looked as bleak as this since the mid-1980s.
Well, Beckham is a very good defensive 2B, and Gillaspie is a serviceable 3B.  You're right, this team has no CF either.  DeAza had a career year in 2012, and his defense was suspect then.

People who weren't around from 1986-89 are about to find out what what those years were like.  ohlord

As far as that Cubs/Sox series is concerned... both teams suck, but both teams are clearly heading in opposite directions; and the Sox are NOT the team with a brighter future.
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Posted: 6/2/2013 12:00 PM

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Donaldo wrote:
concealed78 wrote:The Sox have a decent 2nd baseman, a 3rd baseman & a centerfielder, too? tongue

I have to say, the future hasn't looked as bleak as this since the mid-1980s.
Well, Beckham is a very good defensive 2B, and Gillaspie is a serviceable 3B.  You're right, this team has no CF either.  DeAza had a career year in 2012, and his defense was suspect then.

People who weren't around from 1986-89 are about to find out what what those years were like.  ohlord

Things are so bad we're now counting half of a baseball player into the Good Pile? frown Sox are actually up to 27th in hits, 29th RBIs, 26th in AVE, 28th OBP.

As bad as things were in 1986-89, the TV announcing crew was top notch! biggrin

 
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Posted: 6/2/2013 12:03 PM

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Donaldo wrote:

As far as that Cubs/Sox series is concerned... both teams suck, but both teams are clearly heading in opposite directions; and the Sox are NOT the team with a brighter future.
Why were they playing Spring Training games in May? noidea

The Resistance™ does not acknowledge the Chicago American League Ballclub playing the Chicago National League Ballclub during the regular season. I had to boycott the media once I saw the words "Crosstown Trophy" posted ohlord

I'm assuming the matches were not sellouts, correct?
 
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