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Offseason Wishlist

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Posted: 10/12/2012 12:00 PM

Offseason Wishlist 


1) sign Shaun Marcum or  Anibal Sanchez

2) sign Brandon McCarthy  or Ervin Santana

3) Trade Soriano for Brian Matusz in Baltimore.  Matusz has looked really good this postseason for Baltimore and a move out the AL East to the NL can help his numbers.  I still think he can be an effective starter, is young, and left handed.

4) sign Carlos Villanueva

5) look into signing Melky Cabrera - if he will take a 1-2 year deal sign him in hopes he performs to trade for something.  You only do this if you trade Soriano and if he takes a "Prove it" contract.

Garza
Shark
Marcum/Sanchez
McCarthy/Santana
Wood/Villanueva/Matusz

that's a pretty decent rotation if you could get that.  Villanueva and Matusz could be bullpen guys too (altho Villanueva wants to start)
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Posted: 10/12/2012 12:16 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote: 1) sign Shaun Marcum or  Anibal Sanchez

2) sign Brandon McCarthy  or Ervin Santana

3) Trade Soriano for Brian Matusz in Baltimore.  Matusz has looked really good this postseason for Baltimore and a move out the AL East to the NL can help his numbers.  I still think he can be an effective starter, is young, and left handed.

4) sign Carlos Villanueva

5) look into signing Melky Cabrera - if he will take a 1-2 year deal sign him in hopes he performs to trade for something.  You only do this if you trade Soriano and if he takes a "Prove it" contract.

Garza
Shark
Marcum/Sanchez
McCarthy/Santana
Wood/Villanueva/Matusz

that's a pretty decent rotation if you could get that.  Villanueva and Matusz could be bullpen guys too (altho Villanueva wants to start)
You would trade Sori for a questionable #5 and then replace Sori with Melky? Melky has a BABIP 70 points higher than his career average. Some team will overpay drastically for his services. Please don't let it be the Cubs.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 2:11 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
You would trade Sori for a questionable #5 and then replace Sori with Melky? Melky has a BABIP 70 points higher than his career average. Some team will overpay drastically for his services. Please don't let it be the Cubs.
When that questionable #5 starter is a 25 year old lefty with 368 career MLB IP yes, I would trade Sori for him in a heartbeat.  His ERA is not awful considering it's the AL East aside from 2011.

22 years old - 4.63 ERA
23 years old - 4.30 ERA
24 years old - 10.69 ERA
25 years old - 4.87 ERA

I see Matusz as a Ted Lilly type of pitcher and a guy that Theo and Jed would target.  He has a high upside (was taken #4 overall in 2008), and so far hasn't seen great results so Baltimore may be down on him.   A move to the NL should help, he's young enough to help when we hopefully will be ready to contend as he'd be moving into his prime years. 

As for Melky, I specifically said if he'd take a short term deal to prove he's worth a bigger contract.  If he puts up good numbers in half a year, the Cubs could trade him to a contender that needs a bat.  As much as you may dislike him, if he hits even close to how he has over the past year somebody would trade for him.  If he'll take a short 1-2 year deal the Cubs have the money to take that risk.  I would not give him anything over 2 years, but rather sign him strictly as a hopeful trade chip (a la Paul Maholm)
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Posted: 10/12/2012 2:14 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
You would trade Sori for a questionable #5 and then replace Sori with Melky? Melky has a BABIP 70 points higher than his career average. Some team will overpay drastically for his services. Please don't let it be the Cubs.
When that questionable #5 starter is a 25 year old lefty with 368 career MLB IP yes, I would trade Sori for him in a heartbeat.  His ERA is not awful considering it's the AL East aside from 2011.

22 years old - 4.63 ERA
23 years old - 4.30 ERA
24 years old - 10.69 ERA
25 years old - 4.87 ERA

I see Matusz as a Ted Lilly type of pitcher and a guy that Theo and Jed would target.  He has a high upside (was taken #4 overall in 2008), and so far hasn't seen great results so Baltimore may be down on him.   A move to the NL should help, he's young enough to help when we hopefully will be ready to contend as he'd be moving into his prime years. 

As for Melky, I specifically said if he'd take a short term deal to prove he's worth a bigger contract.  If he puts up good numbers in half a year, the Cubs could trade him to a contender that needs a bat.  As much as you may dislike him, if he hits even close to how he has over the past year somebody would trade for him.  If he'll take a short 1-2 year deal the Cubs have the money to take that risk.  I would not give him anything over 2 years, but rather sign him strictly as a hopeful trade chip (a la Paul Maholm)
I would be surprised if he signs for less than 50 million.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 2:28 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
ARAMIS13 wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
You would trade Sori for a questionable #5 and then replace Sori with Melky? Melky has a BABIP 70 points higher than his career average. Some team will overpay drastically for his services. Please don't let it be the Cubs.
When that questionable #5 starter is a 25 year old lefty with 368 career MLB IP yes, I would trade Sori for him in a heartbeat.  His ERA is not awful considering it's the AL East aside from 2011.

22 years old - 4.63 ERA
23 years old - 4.30 ERA
24 years old - 10.69 ERA
25 years old - 4.87 ERA

I see Matusz as a Ted Lilly type of pitcher and a guy that Theo and Jed would target.  He has a high upside (was taken #4 overall in 2008), and so far hasn't seen great results so Baltimore may be down on him.   A move to the NL should help, he's young enough to help when we hopefully will be ready to contend as he'd be moving into his prime years. 

As for Melky, I specifically said if he'd take a short term deal to prove he's worth a bigger contract.  If he puts up good numbers in half a year, the Cubs could trade him to a contender that needs a bat.  As much as you may dislike him, if he hits even close to how he has over the past year somebody would trade for him.  If he'll take a short 1-2 year deal the Cubs have the money to take that risk.  I would not give him anything over 2 years, but rather sign him strictly as a hopeful trade chip (a la Paul Maholm)
I would be surprised if he signs for less than 50 million.
After his drug suspension I would be surprised if he received anything close to 50 million. I think he will have to take a 1 or 2 year deal to prove himself after playing with PED's.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 2:38 PM

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If we're using the premise that Matusz is salvageable and could still approach his first round pedigree, then I don't see why the Orioles would make that trade.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 10:25 PM

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I was a HUGE Matusz fan when he was drafted, but his future is no longer rosy.  If the Cubs traded Soriano for Matusz straight up I would not be supportive of that trade.  There would have to be additional pieces involved.


Baez has "top-shelf bat speed," according to one National League scout who recently saw him play. "I haven't seen that type of bat speed this year outside of the big leagues. It's pure, unadulterated, just violent bat-speed."

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Posted: 10/12/2012 10:44 PM

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i used to advocate strongly for anibal sanchez, but i'm not as interested anymore. his recent comments about how he's "always" pitched through pain, etc., give me even more reservations than i already have toward free agent pitching.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 10:46 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: If we're using the premise that Matusz is salvageable and could still approach his first round pedigree, then I don't see why the Orioles would make that trade.
b/c Baltimore might not think he is salvageable.  It only takes 1 guy to see success in a guy.  Ted Lilly was not that great when he came to Chicago from Toronto. 

Look at Gavin Floyd, Kyle Lohse.  Those guys were considered useless by the Phillies and have gone on to be very serviceable arms. 



Just curious (not TRYING to be a smart ass... ) who do you guys think we could get in a trade for Soriano that isn't going to be a risk/reward type of guy?
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Posted: 10/13/2012 12:52 AM

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I'd also kick the tires on Rick Porcello--the Tigers seem to have soured on him and they're making noises about wanting to resign Sanchez, which would make Porcello expendable:

http://www.detroitnews.com/art...210080411/1004/

I can't figure that the price would be TOO high, given that he barely made Detroit's postseason roster...in any case, it'd be worth a call to Dombrowski to find out.
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Posted: 10/13/2012 10:59 AM

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Haren, McCarthy, Santana, Floyd, Villanueva, Liriano are all serviceable options for the Cubs, and each guy could probably be had on reasonable 2-yr deals. 

If the Cubs can sign 3 starting pitchers, then maybe we can also deal Garza at the end of ST or early in the season.  Maybe 2 quality SP prospects in that trade and suddenly you have a better team and some depth without any long-term contract burdens. Flip whoever they want at the next deadline for more prospects, and maybe by 2014, we'll have 4 SPs (including shark and wood) we can count on and then target some big names heading to that offseason.

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Posted: 10/13/2012 1:55 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote: I'd also kick the tires on Rick Porcello--the Tigers seem to have soured on him and they're making noises about wanting to resign Sanchez, which would make Porcello expendable:

http://www.detroitnews.com/art...210080411/1004/

I can't figure that the price would be TOO high, given that he barely made Detroit's postseason roster...in any case, it'd be worth a call to Dombrowski to find out.
Probably don't even have to make that phone call, I would guess he will be non-tendered.


Baez has "top-shelf bat speed," according to one National League scout who recently saw him play. "I haven't seen that type of bat speed this year outside of the big leagues. It's pure, unadulterated, just violent bat-speed."

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Posted: 10/13/2012 8:05 PM

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mhuml32 wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: I'd also kick the tires on Rick Porcello--the Tigers seem to have soured on him and they're making noises about wanting to resign Sanchez, which would make Porcello expendable:

http://www.detroitnews.com/art...210080411/1004/

I can't figure that the price would be TOO high, given that he barely made Detroit's postseason roster...in any case, it'd be worth a call to Dombrowski to find out.
Probably don't even have to make that phone call, I would guess he will be non-tendered.
How does that process work, anyway?  As I understand it, the Tigers have until Dec. 2 to either trade Porcello or offer him arby; then, if they don't make an offer he becomes a FA.  Is that correct?  He just strikes me as the kind of pitcher who could flourish in Wrigley with a good infield defense behind him...maybe I'm dreaming, but it seems like a soon-to-be 24year old with good control and a low-90's sinker would be the kind of high-upside pitcher the Cubs are so sorely lacking,
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Posted: 10/14/2012 2:56 PM

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mhuml32 wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: I'd also kick the tires on Rick Porcello--the Tigers seem to have soured on him and they're making noises about wanting to resign Sanchez, which would make Porcello expendable:

http://www.detroitnews.com/art...210080411/1004/

I can't figure that the price would be TOO high, given that he barely made Detroit's postseason roster...in any case, it'd be worth a call to Dombrowski to find out.
Probably don't even have to make that phone call, I would guess he will be non-tendered.
Detroit has not discussed making Porcello a non tender candidate. He is still young with upside and a former 1st round pick. Maybe he is a trade candidate but he will not be given away.

The Cubs may non tender Stewart & Volstad

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Posted: 10/19/2012 2:48 PM

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I'm good with McCarthy, Sanchez or Marcum, but PLEASE no Ervin Santana, he has frustrated Angels fans for years with his Good Ervin Bad Ervin act, and we already have the same thing in Carlos Marmol.
   And pass on Melky.  His numbers are going to return to his pre-PED seasons and that makes him a 4th outfielder.  Before 2011 his numbers are slightly worse than DeJesus.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:51 AM

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Baez has "top-shelf bat speed," according to one National League scout who recently saw him play. "I haven't seen that type of bat speed this year outside of the big leagues. It's pure, unadulterated, just violent bat-speed."

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Posted: 10/22/2012 1:23 PM

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Giants may make Tim Lincecum available in the off season. Should the Cubs be interested in a salary dump?? I wouldn't give up anything of value, but if the Giants are looking to shed his contract the Cubs should be at the front of the line to take it on for one year....
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Posted: 10/22/2012 7:56 PM

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nictonjr wrote: Giants may make Tim Lincecum available in the off season. Should the Cubs be interested in a salary dump?? I wouldn't give up anything of value, but if the Giants are looking to shed his contract the Cubs should be at the front of the line to take it on for one year....
Doesn't he have just 1 year left at over $20M? That does nothing for a 2013 club not looking to compete.  SF is not going to give him away like we did for Big Z
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Posted: 10/23/2012 9:34 AM

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doughboy981 wrote:
Doesn't he have just 1 year left at over $20M? That does nothing for a 2013 club not looking to compete. 
I disagree that it does nothing for a club not looking to compete.  If the Cubs gamble and Lincecum goes back to Cy Young - you don't think teams would line up to trade for an expiring contract and a pitcher that is dominating? 

Just remember Oakland was thought of a team not looking to compete last year, signed Cespedes really for the same reason the Cubs would be interested in this trade, hope he works out and trade him for prospects.  For Oakland it just happened where they were much better than anybody would have thought last season, but I would not be 1 bit surprised to see Billy Beane trade Cespedes or Reddick this offseason now that he traded for Chris Young.

I will agree with you that SF is not going to just give him away for nothing, they held onto Zito for this long.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:04 PM

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Bruce Miles:

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RHP Shawn Camp is #Cubs only free agent, and Theo said they're interested in having him back.

I wasn't sure if the Cubs would be interested with Camp turning 37 in Nov.
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