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Posted: 10/8/2012 10:17 AM

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Posted: 10/8/2012 12:15 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: http://espn.go.com/chicago/polls?id=8466436
I think the calculator that determines the overall grade is messed up. Stewart has 1100 votes and more than half are F, while 89% are D or F. Somehow that computes to a C-.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 12:37 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: http://espn.go.com/chicago/polls?id=8466436
I think the calculator that determines the overall grade is messed up. Stewart has 1100 votes and more than half are F, while 89% are D or F. Somehow that computes to a C-.
The C- is from Doug Padilla - The votes are from the fans
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Posted: 10/9/2012 9:26 AM

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Posted: 10/9/2012 10:53 AM

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Didn't see a whole lot to disagree with as far as Padilla's grades.  Maybe Stewart should have been lower, and I wanna bag on him, but the injury should be considered.  I've said before, add a couple solid arms to the rotation and retool the bullpen a touch and you won't have the new regime hangover to start the season...team should/could be 10-15 wins better next year.  Not great, but should improve.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 12:34 PM

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zighawk73 wrote: Didn't see a whole lot to disagree with as far as Padilla's grades.  Maybe Stewart should have been lower, and I wanna bag on him, but the injury should be considered.  I've said before, add a couple solid arms to the rotation and retool the bullpen a touch and you won't have the new regime hangover to start the season...team should/could be 10-15 wins better next year.  Not great, but should improve.

Stewart if he can get healthy would be a very nice upgrade next year at 3rd. I am starting to think he is never going to be healthy though. And yet there is nobody really on the market that is a major upgrade over him so they are left in a major pickle.

 

My best guess: They will try to bring back Stewart at a lower price along with Luis Valbuena. Then try to add a Pagan type to the outfield. Stewart can had power to the lineup while Pagan can bring a lot of verstatilty.

As for the grades themselves, they seem to right on line with what is fair. I would have given Soto an F because he had such a miserable season (again) that his trade value was crap and I give a Dumpster a B for being a bastard. biggrin

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Posted: 10/9/2012 1:03 PM

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Stewart if he can get healthy would be a very nice upgrade next year at 3rd. I am starting to think he is never going to be healthy though. And yet there is nobody really on the market that is a major upgrade over him so they are left in a major pickle.

 

My best guess: They will try to bring back Stewart at a lower price along with Luis Valbuena. Then try to add a Pagan type to the outfield. Stewart can had power to the lineup while Pagan can bring a lot of verstatilty.

As for the grades themselves, they seem to right on line with what is fair. I would have given Soto an F because he had such a miserable season (again) that his trade value was crap and I give a Dumpster a B for being a bastard.

Stewart has been posting that he is 50/50 on coming back with the Cubs. Bruce Miles and Bruce Levine have reported Cubs ready to move on from Stewart.

There is very little to choose from via free agency which is why I think they upgrade the position with a trade. If Valbuena is starting they are tanking again in 2013.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:06 PM

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wow, the utility 2B received a B+
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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:03 PM

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absolutebadger wrote: wow, the utility 2B received a B+


LOL! When it's all said and done, Castro/Barney might be the best double play duo to play for the Cubs since Tinker/Evans. That hasn't been lost on Theo and Company.

 

Barney is not the perfect 2nd basemen but he is a guy you can with, he has proven that over the past 3 years. And this team has so many problems like I been saying all along. Let's see the Cubs a 3rd baseman, a CF, fix the front line of the rotation, settle the bullpen etc and then we can talk about upgrading over a gold glove caliber 2nd baseman. For me, between now and then everyone who talks about is just static. biggrin

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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:56 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:

Stewart if he can get healthy would be a very nice upgrade next year at 3rd. I am starting to think he is never going to be healthy though. And yet there is nobody really on the market that is a major upgrade over him so they are left in a major pickle.

 

My best guess: They will try to bring back Stewart at a lower price along with Luis Valbuena. Then try to add a Pagan type to the outfield. Stewart can had power to the lineup while Pagan can bring a lot of verstatilty.

As for the grades themselves, they seem to right on line with what is fair. I would have given Soto an F because he had such a miserable season (again) that his trade value was crap and I give a Dumpster a B for being a bastard.

Stewart has been posting that he is 50/50 on coming back with the Cubs. Bruce Miles and Bruce Levine have reported Cubs ready to move on from Stewart.

There is very little to choose from via free agency which is why I think they upgrade the position with a trade. If Valbuena is starting they are tanking again in 2013.
Downside is limited options for FA 3B and trading for a Major League ready 3B will get pricey.  Upside is that just about anybody could be an offensive upgrade from that position.  If Valbuena is starting they are purposefully tanking.  Fingers crossed for begging the Padres for Gyorko but I just don't see us matching up.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:01 AM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
absolutebadger wrote: wow, the utility 2B received a B+


LOL! When it's all said and done, Castro/Barney might be the best double play duo to play for the Cubs since Tinker/Evans. That hasn't been lost on Theo and Company.

 

Barney is not the perfect 2nd basemen but he is a guy you can with, he has proven that over the past 3 years. And this team has so many problems like I been saying all along. Let's see the Cubs a 3rd baseman, a CF, fix the front line of the rotation, settle the bullpen etc and then we can talk about upgrading over a gold glove caliber 2nd baseman. For me, between now and then everyone who talks about is just static. biggrin


Darwin Barney could help the Cubs fill those other holes.  I like Barney's defense and intangibles.  The offense is another story.  Its bad.  If he is the Cubs' starting second baseman next year, I won't be upset.  But I wouldn't be against using him to bring back a prospect that can fill a hole on the roster.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 7:42 AM

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zighawk73 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:

Stewart if he can get healthy would be a very nice upgrade next year at 3rd. I am starting to think he is never going to be healthy though. And yet there is nobody really on the market that is a major upgrade over him so they are left in a major pickle.

 

My best guess: They will try to bring back Stewart at a lower price along with Luis Valbuena. Then try to add a Pagan type to the outfield. Stewart can had power to the lineup while Pagan can bring a lot of verstatilty.

As for the grades themselves, they seem to right on line with what is fair. I would have given Soto an F because he had such a miserable season (again) that his trade value was crap and I give a Dumpster a B for being a bastard.

Stewart has been posting that he is 50/50 on coming back with the Cubs. Bruce Miles and Bruce Levine have reported Cubs ready to move on from Stewart.

There is very little to choose from via free agency which is why I think they upgrade the position with a trade. If Valbuena is starting they are tanking again in 2013.
Downside is limited options for FA 3B and trading for a Major League ready 3B will get pricey.  Upside is that just about anybody could be an offensive upgrade from that position.  If Valbuena is starting they are purposefully tanking.  Fingers crossed for begging the Padres for Gyorko but I just don't see us matching up.

Vitters AAA numbers are slightly better than Valbeuna's in some respects, and I most like the fact that Vitters tends to improve at a given level after he has been there a year. If the Cubs are not looking to make major investments for 2013 to actually be good, they might as well play Vitters and see if he can make that adjustment. What are we afraid of? That Vitters will cause us to...oh no...lose games? Yes I suppose a month or two of seasoning before the call up to hope for a correction for him and Jackson like Rizzo in 2012 might be worth a shot...but when called up they need to play. Get a large sample size of data you can actually do something with.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 8:49 AM

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Sveum deserves an incomplete or C at best.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:48 PM

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