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Rizzo vs, ???

Posted: 9/18/2012 12:01 AM

Rizzo vs, ??? 

Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????  528761613012698107777.305.404.513.9183.4
Anthony Rizzo  27837831101443322049.299.351.489.8402.1

Last edited 9/18/2012 12:17 AM by HawkCrazy420
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:08 AM

RE: Rizzo vs, ??? 

Another one...try and guess??

                          AB R   H  2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS WAR
?????????????       89 81 168 34 11 11 55 35 10 58 50 .285 .347 .436 .783 2.7


Starlin Castro       AB                                  R     H          2B         3B         HR       RBI        SB        CS          BB          SO             AVG       OBP     SLG      OPS     WAR
 

                       586721652511137525133194.282.319.428.7482.6

Last edited 9/18/2012 12:16 AM by HawkCrazy420
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:00 AM

Re: Rizzo vs, ??? 


HawkCrazy420 wrote: Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????  528761613012698107777.305.404.513.9183.4
Anthony Rizzo  27837831101443322049.299.351.489.8402.1
Prince Fielder of course.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:02 AM

RE: Rizzo vs, ??? 


HawkCrazy420 wrote:

Another one...try and guess??

                          AB R   H  2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS WAR
?????????????       89 81 168 34 11 11 55 35 10 58 50 .285 .347 .436 .783 2.7


Starlin Castro       AB                                  R     H          2B         3B         HR       RBI        SB        CS          BB          SO             AVG       OBP     SLG      OPS     WAR
 

                       586721652511137525133194.282.319.428.7482.6
A very disappointing Jose Reyes.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:48 AM

Re: Rizzo vs, ??? 


HawkCrazy420 wrote: Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????  528761613012698107777.305.404.513.9183.4
Anthony Rizzo  27837831101443322049.299.351.489.8402.1

Seems to me this is a pretty sizable difference.  Not trying to bash Anthony--I love the kid and he's only 23!
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Posted: 9/18/2012 11:35 AM

Re: Rizzo vs, ??? 

Really the main difference between the two is OBP.  That said, .050 OBP difference is kind of a big deal.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 11:45 AM

RE: Rizzo vs, ??? 


SportsGoblin wrote:
HawkCrazy420 wrote:

Another one...try and guess??

                          AB R   H  2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS WAR
?????????????       89 81 168 34 11 11 55 35 10 58 50 .285 .347 .436 .783 2.7


Starlin Castro       AB                                  R     H          2B         3B         HR       RBI        SB        CS          BB          SO             AVG       OBP     SLG      OPS     WAR
 

                       586721652511137525133194.282.319.428.7482.6
A very disappointing Jose Reyes.
disappointing for the money maybe...but both are out-producing most of the major league shortstops
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:24 PM

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SPOONER wrote: Seems to me this is a pretty sizable difference.  Not trying to bash Anthony--I love the kid and he's only 23!

Rizzo's production over a whole year overall would be very similiar to Prince's (assuming he hit at the same pace). Like someone said correct earlier, the one major difference is OPS and 50 points is a big deal. But like you said, Rizzo is 23 and he should improve in the walk dept. (He already has).

And of course, Rizzo is leaps and bounds better defensively then Fielder so when looking at a player's worth, that has to accounted for too.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:27 PM

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HawkCrazy420 wrote: disappointing for the money maybe...but both are out-producing most of the major league shortstops

If Castro continues to work at what Theo and company want him to do, he will be within a few years one of the best producing shortstops in baseball since the Needle Era back in the early 2000's. I easily see him as a guy that can be in the .300's with low 20's HR and all kinds of extra base hits to go along with 25+ SB.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:35 PM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
SPOONER wrote: Seems to me this is a pretty sizable difference.  Not trying to bash Anthony--I love the kid and he's only 23!

Rizzo's production over a whole year overall would be very similiar to Prince's (assuming he hit at the same pace). Like someone said correct earlier, the one major difference is OPS and 50 points is a big deal. But like you said, Rizzo is 23 and he should improve in the walk dept. (He already has).

And of course, Rizzo is leaps and bounds better defensively then Fielder so when looking at a player's worth, that has to accounted for too.
Which is why Rizzo has the higher WAR on a prorated basis. Small samole size to be sure, but even the eye test tells you that Rizzo is much better in the field.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:38 PM

Re: Rizzo vs, ??? 


SPOONER wrote:
HawkCrazy420 wrote: Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????   528 76 161 30 1 26 98 1 0 77 77 .305 .404 .513 .918 3.4
Anthony Rizzo   278 37 83 11 0 14 43 3 2 20 49 .299 .351 .489 .840 2.1

Seems to me this is a pretty sizable difference.  Not trying to bash Anthony--I love the kid and he's only 23!
1st year Rizzo vs 1st year Prince almost exactly the same. Now if Rizzo can post a +1.000 in year 2 ....
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:39 PM

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HawkCrazy420 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
HawkCrazy420 wrote:

Another one...try and guess??

                          AB R   H  2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS WAR
?????????????       89 81 168 34 11 11 55 35 10 58 50 .285 .347 .436 .783 2.7


Starlin Castro       AB                                  R     H          2B         3B         HR       RBI        SB        CS          BB          SO             AVG       OBP     SLG      OPS     WAR
 

                       586721652511137525133194.282.319.428.7482.6
A very disappointing Jose Reyes.
disappointing for the money maybe...but both are out-producing most of the major league shortstops

For the money, yes. $106M for 6 years...yikes.

Last edited 9/18/2012 12:42 PM by SportsGoblin
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:44 PM

Re: Rizzo vs, ??? 


HawkCrazy420 wrote: Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????  528761613012698107777.305.404.513.9183.4
Anthony Rizzo  27837831101443322049.299.351.489.8402.1
If you use Fangraphs - Fielder 4.3 WAR 
                             - Rizzo 1.7 WAR

Rizzo fits in better with the method the Cubs decided to do the rebuild. Lets hope he continues to develop and shows progress next year.
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Posted: 9/19/2012 8:31 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
HawkCrazy420 wrote: Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????  528761613012698107777.305.404.513.9183.4
Anthony Rizzo  27837831101443322049.299.351.489.8402.1
If you use Fangraphs - Fielder 4.3 WAR 
                             - Rizzo 1.7 WAR

Rizzo fits in better with the method the Cubs decided to do the rebuild. Lets hope he continues to develop and shows progress next year.

I'm assuming Fangraphs thinks less of Rizzo's defense?  Or do they just weight it less for first basemen than B-R?
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Posted: 9/19/2012 5:35 PM

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anotherignorantcubsfan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
HawkCrazy420 wrote: Without looking, try and guess the mystery player....if you multiply the at bats x2 you are very close in production.
                                                          AB   R    H   2B       3B  HR RBI      SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP   SLG  OPS  WAR
???????????  528761613012698107777.305.404.513.9183.4
Anthony Rizzo  27837831101443322049.299.351.489.8402.1
If you use Fangraphs - Fielder 4.3 WAR 
                             - Rizzo 1.7 WAR

Rizzo fits in better with the method the Cubs decided to do the rebuild. Lets hope he continues to develop and shows progress next year.

I'm assuming Fangraphs thinks less of Rizzo's defense?  Or do they just weight it less for first basemen than B-R?
I think they take into account plate appearances.  WAR is accumulated throughout the season, I believe.
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