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Prospect-O-Meter 2014 # 2

Posted: 8/22/2014 11:43 AM

Prospect-O-Meter 2014 # 2 


If we would have stayed on topic that other thread would still be good. tongue


In case anyone is wondering why the other thread locked, it wasn't a walk-off winner, 100 pages is the limit.

Last edited 8/22/2014 12:27 PM by MikeNesterNR

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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:53 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote:
to say you are a fan and then rip a guy is Cubs stupid.  You are the one that wanted Baez up. Pick a side and stay there.
Baez is not being ripped by pointing out his high strikeout rate. I'm glad Baez is playing but the K rate is a valid red flag.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:58 AM

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The original post.......

Thats not really my point. For example, I have been fine with Mendys struggles because he is playing within his game. His approach is much more mature and tolerable. Again I wanted Baez up but the approach is troubling. I can teach my nephew to stop swinging for the fences in a day or so. There is video and coaches to show a player his head is in the dugout with every swing. If Baez was more patient last nite, i would hate to see how it was before that because he swung at everything over his head, two feet outside, etc. if that fundamental curve cant be tempered to play within the game, then a ticket back mite be the thing to wake him up. The struggles and adjustments are part of the game, but i can step to the plate swing as hard as i can on every pitch, hit a few bombs, and strike out half the time. Last night i was embarrassed watching him come to the plate. I knew he wasnt going to hit the ball, just swing,..........

Let me first point out that nowhere in here does it say anything about a strikeout rate. Not one word. Do you understand this. Like you do with every damn thread you change the argument and post some BS link. Its not about strikeout rate. You are still Cubs stupid. Do I make myself clear. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:02 PM

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Speaking of actual prospects, I'm really impressed by the debut seasons of Gleyber Torres and Eloy Jimenez. For 17 year-olds adjusting to a new culture and language in their first season of pro baseball, both have shown promise.

Tommy Thorpe (Cubs' 8th round pick) is also pitching well for Boise.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:06 PM

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Baez' strikeout rate is and will always be a concern.  Yes, it has increased at every level, which is true of the majority of players.   The one thing you can point to is that at each level, it started out high but got better.  If he had stayed at AA or AAA longer, both of those K rates would have been lower eventually.  His history shows he makes adjustments so all we can do is hope that history repeats itself.  


AA:   7/6-7/29    .229 BA,  35.5 K %
        7/30-end    .325 BA,  25.4 K %


AAA  4/3-5/15     .142 BA,  38.1 K %
         5/16-end    .305 BA,  26.8 K %  


        So at each level his K rate dropped 10-12%.   If he gets his ML K rate under 30% I think we'll be content with his potential 35-45 HR's, solid D at 2B and he should start drawing more walks.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:10 PM

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tautology wrote: Speaking of actual prospects, I'm really impressed by the debut seasons of Gleyber Torres and Eloy Jimenez. For 17 year-olds adjusting to a new culture and language in their first season of pro baseball, both have shown promise.

Tommy Thorpe (Cubs' 8th round pick) is also pitching well for Boise.
I think they could make the jump to Kane County or be there by end of season. Just a hunch. And most of pitchers drafted in June are having success. Good to see but since only going 2-3 innings really can't get too excited. Hitters only see them once.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:39 PM

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I will never understand this board. I basically follow for updated info but everything else keeps me away like many others. Heaven forbid you criticize anything Cub!!! First i do speak of strikeouts in the post though not "rate" specifically. Second, i wanted the kids to show themselves but like a kid, they need discipline from time to time and if the problem continues or there is a blatant disregard, the punishment gets more stiff. The only real change in people happens at a young age, lime a hiitter. It really doesnt bother you he steps to the plate every at bat and swings as hard as he can while his head us in the third base dugout??? It hasnt changed remotely! God knows i want the kid to be as badass as expected but that discipline needs to be in play now! Finally, i am so tired of people on here who rely 100% on a statistic, think they have the only correct opinion, and try to shut others out from opining!!! This board is full of water carriers and waterboys!! No offense to any ladies.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:56 PM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: The original post.......

Thats not really my point. For example, I have been fine with Mendys struggles because he is playing within his game. His approach is much more mature and tolerable. Again I wanted Baez up but the approach is troubling. I can teach my nephew to stop swinging for the fences in a day or so. There is video and coaches to show a player his head is in the dugout with every swing. If Baez was more patient last nite, i would hate to see how it was before that because he swung at everything over his head, two feet outside, etc. if that fundamental curve cant be tempered to play within the game, then a ticket back mite be the thing to wake him up. The struggles and adjustments are part of the game, but i can step to the plate swing as hard as i can on every pitch, hit a few bombs, and strike out half the time. Last night i was embarrassed watching him come to the plate. I knew he wasnt going to hit the ball, just swing,..........

Let me first point out that nowhere in here does it say anything about a strikeout rate. Not one word. Do you understand this. Like you do with every damn thread you change the argument and post some BS link. Its not about strikeout rate. You are still Cubs stupid. Do I make myself clear. 
He does mention striking out half the time which refers to his strikout rate.

The BS link is Fangraphs showing sample sizes and when rates stabalize.

Are you going to call Fangraphs baseball stupid?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:08 PM

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bleacherbums wrote: I will never understand this board. I basically follow for updated info but everything else keeps me away like many others. Heaven forbid you criticize anything Cub!!! First i do speak of strikeouts in the post though not "rate" specifically. Second, i wanted the kids to show themselves but like a kid, they need discipline from time to time and if the problem continues or there is a blatant disregard, the punishment gets more stiff. The only real change in people happens at a young age, lime a hiitter. It really doesnt bother you he steps to the plate every at bat and swings as hard as he can while his head us in the third base dugout??? It hasnt changed remotely! God knows i want the kid to be as badass as expected but that discipline needs to be in play now! Finally, i am so tired of people on here who rely 100% on a statistic, think they have the only correct opinion, and try to shut others out from opining!!! This board is full of water carriers and waterboys!! No offense to any ladies.
Seriously, you haven't posted in a month, claim you are a fan of Baez and then rip on him for striking out after 17 MLB games. Go back and read your posts and try to explain to me how you are a  fan of Javier Baez. Sounds like you don't like him, his swing, or his head.  Which is fine, but don't preference it by saying you are a fan. How about I have some serious concerns about Baez and his swing....Don't give me this  I"'m a fan" BS. 

He's on pace for 47 homers in a season, will that help you. I'm sick of people calling themselves Cubs fans and all they do is find something to complain about. I don't get it, I enjoy baseball, its a really hard game. 

Are you Cub fans because you enjoy the team and baseball, or are you Cub fans because it gives you something to complain about 12 months a year? It amazes me how much complaining one fan base can conjure up and you wonder why the Chicago media caters to it. The story wasn't the Cubs have a new mascot and are trying to be more family friendly, hell no, he doesn't have pants and we don't need no mascot. What the hell is that?

And I don't apologize for highjacking this thread. if you can't beat them, join them.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:10 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: The original post.......

Thats not really my point. For example, I have been fine with Mendys struggles because he is playing within his game. His approach is much more mature and tolerable. Again I wanted Baez up but the approach is troubling. I can teach my nephew to stop swinging for the fences in a day or so. There is video and coaches to show a player his head is in the dugout with every swing. If Baez was more patient last nite, i would hate to see how it was before that because he swung at everything over his head, two feet outside, etc. if that fundamental curve cant be tempered to play within the game, then a ticket back mite be the thing to wake him up. The struggles and adjustments are part of the game, but i can step to the plate swing as hard as i can on every pitch, hit a few bombs, and strike out half the time. Last night i was embarrassed watching him come to the plate. I knew he wasnt going to hit the ball, just swing,..........

Let me first point out that nowhere in here does it say anything about a strikeout rate. Not one word. Do you understand this. Like you do with every damn thread you change the argument and post some BS link. Its not about strikeout rate. You are still Cubs stupid. Do I make myself clear. 
He does mention striking out half the time which refers to his strikout rate.

The BS link is Fangraphs showing sample sizes and when rates stabalize.

Are you going to call Fangraphs baseball stupid?
No just you.

you really don't get it do you. You really like pushing your  luck with me.

Last edited 8/22/2014 1:12 PM by MikeNesterNR

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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:21 PM

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bleacherbum—I'm sure you are a good Cubs fan, want them to win a world series, and meant well.... and I probably over-reacted but either I'm out of touch with what being a fan is or the whole sports works has passed me by. I do not understand the negativity with Cub fans. They choose to complain about everything and enjoy nothing. I don't get it.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:33 PM

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Ok I know I don't post here but I do visit the site on a regular basis and will share my thoughts even though I may get ripped for drinking Kool-Aid.  Help is on the way and next year and beyond will be a great time to be Cubs fans.

Prospects don't turn into studs overnight and the Cubs FO have made huge strides.  I know I will miss a few but we have some big highlights the past year or so.

Arrieta and Strop for Feldman.  What a steal of a trade and Arrieta is looking like at least a solid #2 or 3 starter for a rental player.

Hendricks - has shown he can be a solid pitcher and the comparison to Wells is a joke.  Hendricks has a reputation for having good stuff where Wells was a converted catcher and we caught lightning in a bottle.

Baez - give the kid time because he is doing in the big league what everyone expected.  He will hit a ton of HR's but also strike out a lot.  He has been up less than a month so give the kid time.

Alcantara - looks like a really solid addition and has played outstanding CF when he is a natural 2B. 

Rizzo and Castro - have had great bounce back seasons and are building blocks for the team.

One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the job Renteria is doing as a manager.  I think he is a huge reason Castro has turned it around by building his confidence not telling him everything he is doing wrong. 

Give the rebuilding time guys but it has been done the right way even though it has taken longer than anyone wanted.  By bringing the kids up and playing them there is more enthusiasm around the Cubs that will help recruit FA's to want to be part of the Cubs.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:04 PM

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carmelcubfan wrote: Ok I know I don't post here but I do visit the site on a regular basis and will share my thoughts even though I may get ripped for drinking Kool-Aid.  Help is on the way and next year and beyond will be a great time to be Cubs fans.

Prospects don't turn into studs overnight and the Cubs FO have made huge strides.  I know I will miss a few but we have some big highlights the past year or so.

Arrieta and Strop for Feldman.  What a steal of a trade and Arrieta is looking like at least a solid #2 or 3 starter for a rental player.

Hendricks - has shown he can be a solid pitcher and the comparison to Wells is a joke.  Hendricks has a reputation for having good stuff where Wells was a converted catcher and we caught lightning in a bottle.

Baez - give the kid time because he is doing in the big league what everyone expected.  He will hit a ton of HR's but also strike out a lot.  He has been up less than a month so give the kid time.

Alcantara - looks like a really solid addition and has played outstanding CF when he is a natural 2B. 

Rizzo and Castro - have had great bounce back seasons and are building blocks for the team.

One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the job Renteria is doing as a manager.  I think he is a huge reason Castro has turned it around by building his confidence not telling him everything he is doing wrong. 

Give the rebuilding time guys but it has been done the right way even though it has taken longer than anyone wanted.  By bringing the kids up and playing them there is more enthusiasm around the Cubs that will help recruit FA's to want to be part of the Cubs.
           You should post more often.    We need more OPTIMISM here.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:36 PM

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Thanks.  I will be posting more often.  CUBS WORLD SERIES CHAMPS 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:45 PM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: If we would have stayed on topic that other thread would still be good. tongue


In case anyone is wondering why the other thread locked, it wasn't a walk-off winner, 100 pages is the limit.
Yeah, the 2013 prospect-o-meter locked as well, but it happened to reach its limit just as the season was winding down which was cool.  Thanks for restarting this.

Schwarber is at 150 PAs in Daytona:  .281/.400/.479/.879, 5 HR, 17% BB, 21% K
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:21 PM

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carmelcubfan wrote: Thanks.  I will be posting more often.  CUBS WORLD SERIES CHAMPS 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Woah...watch it now biggrin

Welcome.  I admire the positivity.   Don't feed the D-bag and his alter ego (freakmaster).  They are really easy to spot.
Go away Cubs2007, no one cares what you have to say!!!!!
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:48 PM

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Schwarber hit #6, that's 14 in 64 games over 3 levels. Another monster in the making.

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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:15 PM

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cubsfaninca wrote: Schwarber hit #6, that's 14 in 64 games over 3 levels. Another monster in the making.
sounds like a monster shot, no vid yet

launched a ball off the top of the huge video board in Lklnd
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:42 PM

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I didn't know if it was a monster homer, I was referring to him as another monster power hitter a la Baez, Bryant and Russell.


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cubsfaninca wrote: Schwarber hit #6, that's 14 in 64 games over 3 levels. Another monster in the making.
sounds like a monster shot, no vid yet

launched a ball off the top of the huge video board in Lklnd

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Posted: 8/23/2014 12:31 AM

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cubsfaninca wrote: I didn't know if it was a monster homer, I was referring to him as another monster power hitter a la Baez, Bryant and Russell.

Don't forget Soler.
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