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Yu Darvish clears waivers....

Posted: 8/20/2014 10:23 AM

Yu Darvish clears waivers.... 


Just curious if we felt that Hamels was worth claiming why we wouldn't do the same for Darvish? His contract is even more palatable then Hamels and he's 28.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:32 AM

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Because Darvish has a reasonable contract the Cubs would have to blow them away with a prospect package which does not seem to be the direction the front office wants to take.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:50 AM

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HomerInGloamin wrote: Because Darvish has a reasonable contract the Cubs would have to blow them away with a prospect package which does not seem to be the direction the front office wants to take.
OK, Homer--what's YOUR prospect package that would blow the Rangers away? Bryant + Russell? Or do you think that Texas would jump at Alcantara + DVB + Pierce Johnson?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:36 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: Just curious if we felt that Hamels was worth claiming why we wouldn't do the same for Darvish? His contract is even more palatable then Hamels and he's 28.
Darvish is on the DL with 'elbow soreness' and is owed 30+M. I don't think you get to look at his medicals when deciding on whether to claim him. A GM might not want to take the chance their money would just go towards him having TJS and recovering for most of the contract. That is my guess as to why he cleared waivers.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:50 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote: Because Darvish has a reasonable contract the Cubs would have to blow them away with a prospect package which does not seem to be the direction the front office wants to take.
OK, Homer--what's YOUR prospect package that would blow the Rangers away? Bryant + Russell? Or do you think that Texas would jump at Alcantara + DVB + Pierce Johnson?
Teams didn't even put a claim on Darvish because they knew there was little probability of completing a deal with Texas
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:58 PM

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I believe the Rangers would want pretty much MLB ready players given that they aren't in rebuild mode with Fielder, Choo etc. I wonder if they'd consider a Castro. Alcantara and someone in the 10-20 prospect range? I guess if they believed that Andrus or Castro could play 2B and they could move Profar and Rodor for pitching.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:16 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: Just curious if we felt that Hamels was worth claiming why we wouldn't do the same for Darvish? His contract is even more palatable then Hamels and he's 28.
Darvish is on the DL with 'elbow soreness' and is owed 30+M. I don't think you get to look at his medicals when deciding on whether to claim him. A GM might not want to take the chance their money would just go towards him having TJS and recovering for most of the contract. That is my guess as to why he cleared waivers.
Ding ding ding. No waiver claim because nobody wanted the 30 million $$$ hot potato. They have 75 million already invested in his 83 starts and they want some help with the rest of the obligation. Another 100 million pitcher contract up in flames. What is the average time before a Japenese pitcher hits the DL after coming to MLB?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:43 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: Just curious if we felt that Hamels was worth claiming why we wouldn't do the same for Darvish? His contract is even more palatable then Hamels and he's 28.
Darvish is on the DL with 'elbow soreness' and is owed 30+M. I don't think you get to look at his medicals when deciding on whether to claim him. A GM might not want to take the chance their money would just go towards him having TJS and recovering for most of the contract. That is my guess as to why he cleared waivers.
Ding ding ding. No waiver claim because nobody wanted the 30 million $$$ hot potato. They have 75 million already invested in his 83 starts and they want some help with the rest of the obligation. Another 100 million pitcher contract up in flames. What is the average time before a Japenese pitcher hits the DL after coming to MLB?
He is owed 10 million in 2015, 10 million in 2016 & 11 million in 2017 - I don't see that scaring off many teams
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:58 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: Just curious if we felt that Hamels was worth claiming why we wouldn't do the same for Darvish? His contract is even more palatable then Hamels and he's 28.
Darvish is on the DL with 'elbow soreness' and is owed 30+M. I don't think you get to look at his medicals when deciding on whether to claim him. A GM might not want to take the chance their money would just go towards him having TJS and recovering for most of the contract. That is my guess as to why he cleared waivers.
Ding ding ding. No waiver claim because nobody wanted the 30 million $$$ hot potato. They have 75 million already invested in his 83 starts and they want some help with the rest of the obligation. Another 100 million pitcher contract up in flames. What is the average time before a Japenese pitcher hits the DL after coming to MLB?
He is owed 10 million in 2015, 10 million in 2016 & 11 million in 2017 - I don't see that scaring off many teams
How many made the claim?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:58 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: Just curious if we felt that Hamels was worth claiming why we wouldn't do the same for Darvish? His contract is even more palatable then Hamels and he's 28.
Darvish is on the DL with 'elbow soreness' and is owed 30+M. I don't think you get to look at his medicals when deciding on whether to claim him. A GM might not want to take the chance their money would just go towards him having TJS and recovering for most of the contract. That is my guess as to why he cleared waivers.
Ding ding ding. No waiver claim because nobody wanted the 30 million $$$ hot potato. They have 75 million already invested in his 83 starts and they want some help with the rest of the obligation. Another 100 million pitcher contract up in flames. What is the average time before a Japenese pitcher hits the DL after coming to MLB?
He is owed 10 million in 2015, 10 million in 2016 & 11 million in 2017 - I don't see that scaring off many teams
Open your eyes then. It clearly scared off ALL of the teams. If a team were interested in that risk, they could have put in a claim and had an exclusive negotiating window with the Rangers. The only risk was that the Rangers would say "take him", leaving you with his contract. That risk was clearly enough to scare away even playoff contenders that could desperately use him..if there were a real chance he would be back this season. Teams were not willing to risk it. Teams were not willing to claim him even to block him from getting to their rival.

You have a better theory?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:25 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
Open your eyes then. It clearly scared off ALL of the teams. If a team were interested in that risk, they could have put in a claim and had an exclusive negotiating window with the Rangers. The only risk was that the Rangers would say "take him", leaving you with his contract. That risk was clearly enough to scare away even playoff contenders that could desperately use him..if there were a real chance he would be back this season. Teams were not willing to risk it. Teams were not willing to claim him even to block him from getting to their rival.

You have a better theory?
I gave my theory - Teams knew they would not be able to work out a trade
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:41 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
Open your eyes then. It clearly scared off ALL of the teams. If a team were interested in that risk, they could have put in a claim and had an exclusive negotiating window with the Rangers. The only risk was that the Rangers would say "take him", leaving you with his contract. That risk was clearly enough to scare away even playoff contenders that could desperately use him..if there were a real chance he would be back this season. Teams were not willing to risk it. Teams were not willing to claim him even to block him from getting to their rival.

You have a better theory?
I gave my theory - Teams knew they would not be able to work out a trade
That theory makes no sense. Clearly some teams have the assets required to work out a trade. NOBODY put in a claim. If you were the Tigers or A's, don't you want to block Darvish from making it to say the Angels or Royals? If you were the Royals or Angels, wouldn't you like Darvish for your playoff push?

No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:58 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
Even if he was shut down the rest of this season - you would have him at a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons. I don't see teams scared off at paying a top of the rotation starter 10 million a year for 3 years.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:14 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
Even if he was shut down the rest of this season - you would have him at a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons. I don't see teams scared off at paying a top of the rotation starter 10 million a year for 3 years.
He is a pitcher on the DL with elbow inflammation. That has every GM in the league thinking TJS, which loses him for 1.5 years and then you see what you have. I understand that you don't see it. Please try to understand that all the GMs see the risk and that is why they passed.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:19 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
Even if he was shut down the rest of this season - you would have him at a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons. I don't see teams scared off at paying a top of the rotation starter 10 million a year for 3 years.
He is a pitcher on the DL with elbow inflammation. That has every GM in the league thinking TJS, which loses him for 1.5 years and then you see what you have. I understand that you don't see it. Please try to understand that all the GMs see the risk and that is why they passed.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24666682/darvish-beltre-choo-andrus-clear-waivers-cotts-going-through-now

From Jon Heyman - Teams didn't put in claims on at least Darvish and Beltre because there's no probability of a quick waiver deal with a star of that stature
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:24 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
Even if he was shut down the rest of this season - you would have him at a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons. I don't see teams scared off at paying a top of the rotation starter 10 million a year for 3 years.
He is a pitcher on the DL with elbow inflammation. That has every GM in the league thinking TJS, which loses him for 1.5 years and then you see what you have. I understand that you don't see it. Please try to understand that all the GMs see the risk and that is why they passed.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24666682/darvish-beltre-choo-andrus-clear-waivers-cotts-going-through-now

From Jon Heyman - Teams didn't put in claims on at least Darvish and Beltre because there's no probability of a quick waiver deal with a star of that stature
The Cubs did put a claim in on Cole Hamels. Why Hamels and not Darvish, other than the obvious injury concern?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:26 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
Even if he was shut down the rest of this season - you would have him at a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons. I don't see teams scared off at paying a top of the rotation starter 10 million a year for 3 years.
The only risk in making a claim is that the Rangers could hook you with the bill. So, I will ask again, why did no team take that chance?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:27 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
The Cubs did put a claim in on Cole Hamels. Why Hamels and not Darvish, other than the obvious injury concern?
Why do many healthy stars get put on waivers and then not get claimed ?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:39 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
No claims = no confidence that Darvish is healthy and a very realistic fear of getting stuck with the check.
Even if he was shut down the rest of this season - you would have him at a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons. I don't see teams scared off at paying a top of the rotation starter 10 million a year for 3 years.
The only risk in making a claim is that the Rangers could hook you with the bill. So, I will ask again, why did no team take that chance?

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I'm assuming that most teams don't have the prospects to even possibly get a deal done...As far as the money goes, it's been quoted that the Cubs will chase a frontline starter ie. Lester/Scherzer which will be 100M contracts. At the very least like some said with the Hamels claim, maybe you'd be laying the ground work for an off season trade.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:39 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
The Cubs did put a claim in on Cole Hamels. Why Hamels and not Darvish, other than the obvious injury concern?
Why do many healthy stars get put on waivers and then not get claimed ?
The most common reason good players do not get claimed on waivers is that they have large contracts and the claiming team is afraid to get stuck with the check, like with Alex Rios. Obviously, the worse the contract, the less likely they will be claimed. Manny Ramirez cleared waivers all the time because his contract was big.

As you noted, if the risk of claiming Darvish were just that he would be pulled back..teams would have claimed him either to get him or to block him. His contract is indeed not bad at all, for a healthy Darvish. For a TJS Darvish, where you are paying $31M for maybe one year of true service? If I were the GM, I wouldn't take the chance. No way.
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