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Cubs claim Philadelphia Pitcher Cole Hamels on Waivers

Posted: 8/7/2014 1:50 AM

Cubs claim Philadelphia Pitcher Cole Hamels on Waivers 


See Comcast report out of Philly.

twitter.com/csnchicago/status/497263918926929923

Long shot, but The way Amaro has been running that team, maybe we could sneak a package together without any of the core pieces.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:01 AM

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See Comcast report out of Philly.

twitter.com/csnchicago/status/497263918926929923

Long shot, but The way Amaro has been running that team, maybe we could sneak a package together without any of the core pieces.

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He's probably pretty much pitching up to his contract ($22.5 mil for each of the next four, plus a $6 mil buyout), but it's a lot of money for a bad team so maybe they'll either let him walk or (more likely) have a trade ask. Who knows? Maybe their demands will be something we can live with. If the Phillies decide to rebuild, they're not going to want to carry any of these enormous contracts for 30+ year olds (of which they have several).

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Posted: 8/7/2014 6:09 AM

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Well, they are definitely going after pitching now.

As a creative offering, one of the players I would ship back would be former All-Star Travis Wood. He is a lot cheaper than Hamels, fills a roster spot for them, and we obviously would no longer need him. They also get younger by 3 years.

Obviously that alone would not get it done. Hamels is the wrong side of 30, however, and making $22.5/yr, so that does limit the prospect return. They were considering DFAing Ryan Howard, who is owed a ton of money. They need cheap, valuable players to help offset that cost. The Cubs could offer valuable and cheap utility guy Valbuena and maybe a Dan Vogelbach, possibly throwing in a Candelario or someone who has value but is buried in the Cubs system.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:11 AM

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Yep, just heard it on the Score.  I think the Cubs have designs of competing in 2015.  I hope they get him.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:33 AM

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Philly has 122 million on the books for next season for only 9 players. They also have another 120 million for the three years after next season. They are a sinking ship and Theo just threw them a life line. IMO, If they want top ten prospects back, then they will have to offer some salary relief. I think this was an act of desperation on their part as they don't have many pieces to move to get the salary relief they need. I would be a little disappointed if the Cubs give up any valuable pieces and eat all of that remaining salary because they have all the cards at the table.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:50 AM

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Philly has 122 million on the books for next season for only 9 players. They also have another 120 million for the three years after next season. They are a sinking ship and Theo just threw them a life line. IMO, If they want top ten prospects back, then they will have to offer some salary relief. I think this was an act of desperation on their part as they don't have many pieces to move to get the salary relief they need. I would be a little disappointed if the Cubs give up any valuable pieces and eat all of that remaining salary because they have all the cards at the table.

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Agree 100%

Didn't Amaro just ask for Dodgers top 3 prospects for Hamel?
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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:54 AM

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Trading Hamels actually does make some sense from the Phillies perspective. If you take the attitude that you're not going anywhere anyway with that roster, he's pretty much the only one of the high priced contracts that can bring back a legitimate return. Get a head start with a couple young players while you wait for the Lee and Howard contracts to clear the books.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:06 AM

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Yep, the conversation probably starts with Bryant. I say no thanks.
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Philly has 122 million on the books for next season for only 9 players. They also have another 120 million for the three years after next season. They are a sinking ship and Theo just threw them a life line. IMO, If they want top ten prospects back, then they will have to offer some salary relief. I think this was an act of desperation on their part as they don't have many pieces to move to get the salary relief they need. I would be a little disappointed if the Cubs give up any valuable pieces and eat all of that remaining salary because they have all the cards at the table.

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Agree 100%

Didn't Amaro just ask for Dodgers top 3 prospects for Hamel?

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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:09 AM

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Agreed. I'd rather just take my chances on Lester. He just costs money

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Yep, the conversation probably starts with Bryant. I say no thanks.
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Philly has 122 million on the books for next season for only 9 players. They also have another 120 million for the three years after next season. They are a sinking ship and Theo just threw them a life line. IMO, If they want top ten prospects back, then they will have to offer some salary relief. I think this was an act of desperation on their part as they don't have many pieces to move to get the salary relief they need. I would be a little disappointed if the Cubs give up any valuable pieces and eat all of that remaining salary because they have all the cards at the table.

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Agree 100%

Didn't Amaro just ask for Dodgers top 3 prospects for Hamel?

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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:23 AM

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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...bon-clears.html

The Phillies will have 48.5 hours to work out a trade with the claiming team or pull Hamels back on waivers. Of course, if Hamels was claimed by any club other than the Red Sox, Angels, Nationals, Dodgers, Cardinals, Braves, Padres, Rangers or Yankees — the nine teams not included on his no-trade clause — he would have the right to veto the deal.

As Rosenthal notes, the Phillies may prefer to wait until the offseason to listen to offers on Hamels, as they’ll be free to negotiate with multiple clubs at that time rather than the lone club that has currently placed a claim on Hamels.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:27 AM

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Cubs probably just did this to keep him from another NL Central team...
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:41 AM

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First of all Hamels has a no trade clause and the Cubs are on it. Second, if Philly is serious about trading Hamels then it's probably because the Dodgers and them have the ground work in place for a possible deal. The Dodgers are more than willing and able to take on salary and have the prospects to do the deal. Unless the Cubs put together a deal like they got for Shark and Hammel and convinced Hamels with some incentive to waive his no trade, theirs no way this deal gets done. It would cost the Cubs some package of Baez/Bryant with Jorge Soler just like a Dodgers deal of Pederson and Seager. If Theo is serious and offers a quality package maybe just maybe a deal gets done. If he just offer prospects from the 10-20 range then he may have just pissed off his fellow GM's.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:43 AM

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This is obviously a long shot, but never count out the ability of Ruben Amaro to do something stupid in a negotiation. That's how the Phillies got where they are in the first place.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:59 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: First of all Hamels has a no trade clause and the Cubs are on it. Second, if Philly is serious about trading Hamels then it's probably because the Dodgers and them have the ground work in place for a possible deal. The Dodgers are more than willing and able to take on salary and have the prospects to do the deal. Unless the Cubs put together a deal like they got for Shark and Hammel and convinced Hamels with some incentive to waive his no trade, theirs no way this deal gets done. It would cost the Cubs some package of Baez/Bryant with Jorge Soler just like a Dodgers deal of Pederson and Seager. If Theo is serious and offers a quality package maybe just maybe a deal gets done. If he just offer prospects from the 10-20 range then he may have just pissed off his fellow GM's.
The only team to make a claim was the Cubs. For the Phils and Dodgers to negotiate freely, Cole would have had to pass through waivers or the Dodgers would have had to been awarded the claim. If Philly pulls him back and tries again, round 2 would be irrevocable waivers.

This move is all about money. The more money the Phils are willing to eat the better the prospects. Any team would be out of their mind to pay the full value of that player and also give up quality prospects in return. If you are willing to pay 20 plus million per year for a pitcher then just go sing one and don't waste the prospects.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:00 AM

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This pretty much flies in the face of everything they've said about free agents. he's 30 and is owed $22.5 million the next four years. But hey, it would give them another bad contract to flip for prospects. tongue
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:08 AM

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I haven't read through this entire thread, but some writer in Philadelphia said he'd be shocked if the Phillies trade Hamels, and that the Cubs or whoever wants him will have to blow them away.  But don't they either have to work out a trade exclusively with the Cubs or put him on irrevocable waivers/release him?  They don't have the leverage here.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:19 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote: I haven't read through this entire thread, but some writer in Philadelphia said he'd be shocked if the Phillies trade Hamels, and that the Cubs or whoever wants him will have to blow them away.  But don't they either have to work out a trade exclusively with the Cubs or put him on irrevocable waivers/release him?  They don't have the leverage here.
They can just pull him back and hold onto hi through the season and then try and trade him during the off season. If they place him on waivers again, it would be irrevocable waivers. Different scenario than Turner since Turner had been DFA.

I agree they don't have much leverage because they are bleeding money. The Phillys want to spend with big boys but don't have the revenue stream.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:20 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote: I haven't read through this entire thread, but some writer in Philadelphia said he'd be shocked if the Phillies trade Hamels, and that the Cubs or whoever wants him will have to blow them away.  But don't they either have to work out a trade exclusively with the Cubs or put him on irrevocable waivers/release him?  They don't have the leverage here.
If they don't get a trade offer they like they will keep him.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:39 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: This pretty much flies in the face of everything they've said about free agents. he's 30 and is owed $22.5 million the next four years. But hey, it would give them another bad contract to flip for prospects. tongue
Would you sign Jon Lester for 4/90m?  Hamels has also been a much better pitcher for his career.  All really depends on how good they want to be the next two/three seasons.  Also depends on what kind of FA pitchers are available the next few offseasons.  Price will likely want and get stupid money next year.  So maybe this is the better way to go?  Four years at age 30 is tolerable in my eyes.  I doubt it happens anyway.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:42 AM

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absolutebadger wrote:
They can just pull him back and hold onto hi through the season and then try and trade him during the off season. If they place him on waivers again, it would be irrevocable waivers. Different scenario than Turner since Turner had been DFA.

I agree they don't have much leverage because they are bleeding money. The Phillys want to spend with big boys but don't have the revenue stream.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/e...mcast-sportsnet

The deal is worth more than $2.5 billion across 25 years, reports Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer. The annual rights fee will average $100 million, but it will start out smaller and gradually increase during the life of the contract.

Even small market clubs like the Astros and Padres are getting $65+ million annually nowadays. The Dodgers recently agreed to a 20-25 year deal worth upwards of $7 billion while the Rangers landed a more modest $1.6 billion across 20 years

The Phillies already boast one of baseball's highest payrolls, but they'll be able to crank the spending up another notch once the new television deal takes effect. The team has struggled the last two years and attendance has dropped, however.
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