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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:52 AM

Jacob Turner 


The front office seems to like to take chances on projects - This may be worth the risk -

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...assignment.html

The Marlins have designated right-hander Jacob Turner for assignment, the club announced. Lefty Brian Flynn has been recalled to take his spot on the active roster.


Needless to say, this comes as something of a surprise. Turner, 23, was at one point considered by some to be one of the game’s twenty best prospects. And while he has not produced good bottom-line results this year (5.97 ERA), Turner has been victimized by a .368 BABIP and has tossed just 264 big league innings.

Last edited 8/6/2014 3:58 PM by HomerInGloamin

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Posted: 8/5/2014 12:10 PM

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I'm confused, doesn't he still need to pass through waivers at some point?
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Posted: 8/5/2014 12:13 PM

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sounds like a reclamation project but with the young age sure why not...couldnt hurt...throw him in AAA or AA and get working on whatever issues he is having
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Posted: 8/5/2014 12:24 PM

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zighawk73 wrote: I'm confused, doesn't he still need to pass through waivers at some point?

Yes, if they want to send him to the minors or trade him.  Clearly, they want to add someone else to the roster.  The DFA, as I understand it, means that you can remove him from your roster immediately, but you get up to ten days to decide how this will actually occur: trade, demotion, or outright release.  Effectively, this means you can fill his roster spot before you've decided exactly what you are going to do with him. 

In all likelihood, this does mean they are passing him through waivers, as you suggest, since you might as well just release him immediately if that is the route you've settled on, and the other two alternatives both involve the waiver wire.

Last edited 8/5/2014 12:24 PM by cubs08

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Posted: 8/5/2014 12:29 PM

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cubs08 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I'm confused, doesn't he still need to pass through waivers at some point?

Yes, if they want to send him to the minors or trade him.  Clearly, they want to add someone else to the roster.  The DFA, as I understand it, means that you can remove him from your roster immediately, but you get up to ten days to decide how this will actually occur: trade, demotion, or outright release.  Effectively, this means you can fill his roster spot before you've decided exactly what you are going to do with him. 

In all likelihood, this does mean they are passing him through waivers, as you suggest, since you might as well just release him immediately if that is the route you've settled on, and the other two alternatives both involve the waiver wire.
Ok, got misdirected there for a minute from something else I read about the Marlins going the DFA route since they didn't think he would pass through waivers.  Whatever, everything I'm reading points to me really wanting the Cubs to find a way to get ahold of him.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 1:36 PM

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How is this different from any team trying to put their guy through waivers so that he might be traded after the trade deadline? Are these revocable waivers? Definitely put in a claim. Can't hurt. Might help.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 1:42 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote: How is this different from any team trying to put their guy through waivers so that he might be traded after the trade deadline? Are these revocable waivers? Definitely put in a claim. Can't hurt. Might help.
Normally he wouldn't need to clear waivers to be traded after a DFA. Now he does, but this gives them an extra spot on their 40 man roster while they figure out where he's going.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 2:22 PM

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tautology wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: How is this different from any team trying to put their guy through waivers so that he might be traded after the trade deadline? Are these revocable waivers? Definitely put in a claim. Can't hurt. Might help.
Normally he wouldn't need to clear waivers to be traded after a DFA. Now he does, but this gives them an extra spot on their 40 man roster while they figure out where he's going.
Well, the Cubs have a bad record, so if the Rockies, etc. don't ALSO claim, the Cubs might get the exclusive chance to trade for him...or maybe just pick up his contract. Sometimes it pays to be bad.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:04 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
tautology wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: How is this different from any team trying to put their guy through waivers so that he might be traded after the trade deadline? Are these revocable waivers? Definitely put in a claim. Can't hurt. Might help.
Normally he wouldn't need to clear waivers to be traded after a DFA. Now he does, but this gives them an extra spot on their 40 man roster while they figure out where he's going.
Well, the Cubs have a bad record, so if the Rockies, etc. don't ALSO claim, the Cubs might get the exclusive chance to trade for him...or maybe just pick up his contract. Sometimes it pays to be bad.
True, but if the Marlins do not like what they are being offered in a trade, they can just release him.  They'd be on the hook for the remainder of his 2014 salary if they release him, but would simply decline the 2015 option that they also hold, so the total cost of releasing him is probably well under a half million dollars.  Obviously, if they just want the salary relief, they would trade him to whoever claimed him for the proverbial bucket of balls.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:35 PM

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cubs08 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
tautology wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: How is this different from any team trying to put their guy through waivers so that he might be traded after the trade deadline? Are these revocable waivers? Definitely put in a claim. Can't hurt. Might help.
Normally he wouldn't need to clear waivers to be traded after a DFA. Now he does, but this gives them an extra spot on their 40 man roster while they figure out where he's going.
Well, the Cubs have a bad record, so if the Rockies, etc. don't ALSO claim, the Cubs might get the exclusive chance to trade for him...or maybe just pick up his contract. Sometimes it pays to be bad.
True, but if the Marlins do not like what they are being offered in a trade, they can just release him.  They'd be on the hook for the remainder of his 2014 salary if they release him, but would simply decline the 2015 option that they also hold, so the total cost of releasing him is probably well under a half million dollars.  Obviously, if they just want the salary relief, they would trade him to whoever claimed him for the proverbial bucket of balls.
Right, but if they just release him, a DFAd person again has to clear waivers...so the Cubs just get him if they are the claiming team, no? The only scenario where the Cubs can't simply claim him as I understand it is if a team with a worse record claims him.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:57 PM

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That's correct - the only thing standing in the way of the acquisition would be the Rockies.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 4:52 PM

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tautology wrote: That's correct - the only thing standing in the way of the acquisition would be the Rockies.
oh thats how it works??...ok
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Posted: 8/5/2014 6:29 PM

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Definitely worth a flyer.  Still very young.  Arrieta was once a top pitching prospect who couldn't put it together and now he's looking like the ace of the staff.  Not sure if Straily or Doubront ever had that kind of standing.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 8:23 PM

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tautology wrote: That's correct - the only thing standing in the way of the acquisition would be the Rockies.
oh thats how it works??...ok

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So long as they are willing to pay his remaining 2014 salary. If no one wishes to do that, he will clear waivers and either be released or (if he agrees) be sent to the minors. So, the TWO things standing in the way of acquiring him are the Rockies AND a willingness to pick up his contract. I understand that it is not a lot of money, but that is how the process works.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:08 AM

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cubs08 wrote:


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tautology wrote: That's correct - the only thing standing in the way of the acquisition would be the Rockies.
oh thats how it works??...ok

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So long as they are willing to pay his remaining 2014 salary. If no one wishes to do that, he will clear waivers and either be released or (if he agrees) be sent to the minors. So, the TWO things standing in the way of acquiring him are the Rockies AND a willingness to pick up his contract. I understand that it is not a lot of money, but that is how the process works.
Right, his salary for the year is $1M, so it would cost the Cubs $400k or so, Keep in mind also, that this is him being DFAd, not just being put through revokable waivers. If just being put through revokable waivers, if the Marlins don't get what they want, they simply pull him back. The concern for me if I were the Cubs would be the lack of options, not the salary; can't send him down without risk of losing him.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 10:57 AM

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The Rockies reportedly are NOT interested:

http://www.bleachernation.com/...n-jacob-turner/

Get on it, Theo and Jed.  And try not to win tonight (w/Baez going 3-4) because Arizona is right on their heels in the reverse standings.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 11:03 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote:

The Rockies reportedly are NOT interested:

http://www.bleachernation.com/...n-jacob-turner/

Get on it, Theo and Jed.  And try not to win tonight (w/Baez going 3-4) because Arizona is right on their heals in the reverse standings.

I can't remember where I read it (maybe Cubs Den), but another challenge in this is that i think Turner is out of options so if they do get him they'd have to keep him on the active roster (I think that's right).  Meaning the Cubs would have to shuffle things around to make room for him.  Since the Marlins are evidently doing this for 40 man room, sending them someone back might not be the fix.  Overall, still doable and I really want them to grab him, but we'll see.

And, of course, I missed Goblin saying this a couple posts up.  Oh well.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 11:20 AM

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zighawk73 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:

The Rockies reportedly are NOT interested:

http://www.bleachernation.com/...n-jacob-turner/

Get on it, Theo and Jed.  And try not to win tonight (w/Baez going 3-4) because Arizona is right on their heals in the reverse standings.

I can't remember where I read it (maybe Cubs Den), but another challenge in this is that i think Turner is out of options so if they do get him they'd have to keep him on the active roster (I think that's right).  Meaning the Cubs would have to shuffle things around to make room for him.  Since the Marlins are evidently doing this for 40 man room, sending them someone back might not be the fix.  Overall, still doable and I really want them to grab him, but we'll see.
This is true, or they too risk him being claimed on waivers if they try to send him down. You lose the ability to try and fix him in AAA like they did with Arrieta and now are trying with Straily and likely will try with Doubront. So, are they as high on Turner as Straily and Doubront? I guess we will see based on what they do. ...unless of course they want to go scorched earth on the starting rotation and trade/DFA Wada/Wood/Jackson and then fill those spots with Straily/Doubront/Turner ...that approach might look very ugly, but would be very useful in identifying if any of these 3 is a future #3 or better; it's not worth it to find a future #4 or #5.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 12:16 PM

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Roster space shouldn't be a problem when they say goodbye to Nate.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 12:22 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: Roster space shouldn't be a problem when they say goodbye to Nate.
still gonna need spots for Fujikawa and Soler soon...send Lake down ..DFA Schierholtz...and may consider stretching out Grimm to start
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