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Hypothetical: Syndergaard for ________________?

Posted: 7/22/2014 1:47 PM

Hypothetical: Syndergaard for ________________? 


I'm tired of trying to think of what--if anything--the Cubs could get of value for guys like Barney, Russell, Schierholtz, etc, etc. Let's think big. What would you be willing to part with for Noah Syndergaard? He's having a down year in AAA, but "Thor"--as Mets fans have dubbed him--still throws in the upper-90's and apparently is learning how to harness his stuff and transition from "thrower" to "pitcher"…all while dealing with the insane expectations heaped upon him by the NY fans and media and even the Mets front office. I'd think long and hard about Syndergaard-for-Baez…maybe with the Mets throwing in a sweetener. Or, how about Sydergaard and Steven Matz (the top lefty starter in the Mets' system) for Castro? Any other ideas/suggestions out there? Am I nuts?crazy Both? Discuss...

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-year-noah-synde rgaard-learned-to-pitch-1405729309
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2 014/index.jsp?c_id=nym#list=nym
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:06 PM

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Just my opinion, but I still have Baez darn near untouchable unless it's for a mega established talent. Others may disagree.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:15 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote: I'm tired of trying to think of what--if anything--the Cubs could get of value for guys like Barney, Russell, Schierholtz, etc, etc. Let's think big. What would you be willing to part with for Noah Syndergaard? He's having a down year in AAA, but "Thor"--as Mets fans have dubbed him--still throws in the upper-90's and apparently is learning how to harness his stuff and transition from "thrower" to "pitcher"…all while dealing with the insane expectations heaped upon him by the NY fans and media and even the Mets front office. I'd think long and hard about Syndergaard-for-Baez…maybe with the Mets throwing in a sweetener. Or, how about Sydergaard and Steven Matz (the top lefty starter in the Mets' system) for Castro? Any other ideas/suggestions out there? Am I nuts?crazy Both? Discuss...

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-year-noah-synde rgaard-learned-to-pitch-1405729309
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2 014/index.jsp?c_id=nym#list=nym
The trade would have made more sense when Baez and Syndergaard were both struggling in AAA.

But in the last 28 days, Baez is hitting .315/.382/.596/.978 and appears very much to have corrected himself.

In the last 28 days, Syndergaard has an ERA of 8.24 with a WHIP of 1.881. eek ERA for last 90 days is 5.98 and 5.74 for the year. His stock has fallen like a rock.

So...what to give for the chance to turn obvious talent into something resembling good results? Difficult question. What about an assortment of lower prospects: Candelario and Villanueva, with a heating-up Vogelbach to make it interesting? I am hard pressed to give up one of their Baseball America Top 100 players that is playing well for a pitcher that clearly is not. I could be persuaded to throw in a struggling Olt or Lake if that did anything for them. Yes, they would very likely pass on my trades and would be well served to fix Syndergaard to raise his value before trying to move him.

Last edited 7/22/2014 2:16 PM by SportsGoblin

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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:27 PM

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Thor's peripherals are still good and he's pitching in hitter-friendly Las Vegas.  If the Mets offered him and say Wheeler for Castro, I'd seriously consider it.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:19 PM

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I think a trade for Syndergaard and others for Castro is highly likely...if not Casto then yes Baez I think is next in line....but not now...either during the offseason or next years trade deadline
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:51 PM

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Pitchers are not valued equal to hitters when it comes to prospects. I cant remember who wrote it or where i read it but it was in relation to Marlins and Cubs as prospect trade partners. It said that the marlins would have give up more value than the Cubs. Makes sense since they only play every fifth day while a position player plays everyday. During the Winter meetings on the MLB Network, that GMs now look at a pitching contract as being spent 25% of that contract on the DL. No way is Baez for Syndeguard an option even if he was throwing as a top ten prospect. We have two decent starters, Wood prob good 4 or 5 and Arrieta a 2 to 3 for now. You want a one, it will not be a fresh prospect. It will require heavy damage to our farm or you will have go free agency. We are stuck with Jackson for now. We all think Hendricks can do it. I dont get the panic for trading our plus prospects for the unknown, which pitchingvis much more of, and the fact we have 4 slots pretty much filled.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:09 PM

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I'd probably not trade any one of Bryant, Russell, Castro, Baez, Almora, Soler, or Alcantara for Syndergaard straight-up. There's too good a chance his arm falls off in the next few seasons.

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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:54 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: Thor's peripherals are still good and he's pitching in hitter-friendly Las Vegas.  If the Mets offered him and say Wheeler for Castro, I'd seriously consider it.
Just my opinion, Katie, but the Mets would probably want Castro + __________ (DVB? Blackburn? Clifton?) in order to part with both Thor and Wheeler. Having said that, I'd do that deal with any three of the add-ons I just mentioned in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:57 PM

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I would hope you would more than consider it!  I'd say done and done.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:25 PM

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tautology wrote: I'd probably not trade any one of Bryant, Russell, Castro, Baez, Almora, Soler, or Alcantara for Syndergaard straight-up. There's too good a chance his arm falls off in the next few seasons.

I would trade Almora or Alcantara straight up for him, and consider Castro for him plus someone like Wheeler because Castro is an established major leaguer.  The others I wouldn't trade.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:29 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
tautology wrote: I'd probably not trade any one of Bryant, Russell, Castro, Baez, Almora, Soler, or Alcantara for Syndergaard straight-up. There's too good a chance his arm falls off in the next few seasons.

I would trade Almora or Alcantara straight up for him, and consider Castro for him plus someone like Wheeler because Castro is an established major leaguer.  The others I wouldn't trade.
I just find myself very wary of trading for pitching prospects. I've seen too many great ones lose multiple seasons to injury. Think about what just happened with Dylan Bundy.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:25 AM

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I don't think I'm trading prospects for prospects...now if you want to start talking about young salary controlled starters that have proven themselves like Tyson Ross, Sonny Gray, Quintana or even a Tanner Roark then I'm all ears.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:53 PM

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Lack of starting pitching depth in the minor league system needs to be addressed at some point, the Cubbies hitting in a few seasons could be pretty good but what about the future starting rotation?
gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:13 PM

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Well you got Hendricks, Arrieta, at the major league level and then CJ Edwards and Jen-Ho Tseng, Not to mention Black and Johnson. and Vizciano(sp).

Then you also have FA this coming year with the Lester guy ripe for the picking.

I think our Pitching prospects are not all that bad. We are just loaded at the position levels in the minors that we forget we have some decent pitching prospects also
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:03 PM

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I worry about trading for pitchers.


I would trade castro in a heartbeat.  castro and low A pitcher for this kid and wheeler?  how quick can I sign.

I doubt the mets would do it.


the braves for 20 years and the yankees in the 90's did the best job of keeping the real prospects but knowing which ones to build up to other teams and trade.  then they weren't good.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:07 PM

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promar200 wrote:  I worry about trading for pitchers.
Arrieta worked out well, although we didn't have to send a prospect for him.  I worry more about giving large, long-term contracts to pitchers approaching 30.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:06 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
promar200 wrote:  I worry about trading for pitchers.
Arrieta worked out well, although we didn't have to send a prospect for him.  I worry more about giving large, long-term contracts to pitchers approaching 30.
Agreed…that's why I threw the Thor idea out for discussion. There aren't many young, cost-controlled potential TOR guys even theoretically available in the trade market, and the idea of handing 6/$150m (or more) to Scherzer or Lester really makes me nervous.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:43 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
promar200 wrote:  I worry about trading for pitchers.
Arrieta worked out well, although we didn't have to send a prospect for him.  I worry more about giving large, long-term contracts to pitchers approaching 30.
Agreed…that's why I threw the Thor idea out for discussion. There aren't many young, cost-controlled potential TOR guys even theoretically available in the trade market, and the idea of handing 6/$150m (or more) to Scherzer or Lester really makes me nervous.
As well it should
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:23 PM

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I wouldn't advocate $25M per year for any one pitcher, but Lester for somewhere between $17-20M per year might be worth it.  TOR starters under 30 aren't making it to free agency.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:41 PM

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doughboy981 wrote: I wouldn't advocate $25M per year for any one pitcher, but Lester for somewhere between $17-20M per year might be worth it.  TOR starters under 30 aren't making it to free agency.
Only problem there is that Lester turned down 4/$70m in Spring Training without even countering...and Mad Max turned down 6/$144m from the Pizza Man. Now, Scherzer won't get much more than that, but Lester's definitely bumped himself back into elite status and will probably end up in 5/$120m-land, IMHO.
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