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Tanaka headed to NY for MRI

Posted: 7/9/2014 2:37 PM

Tanaka headed to NY for MRI 


http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:50 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:06 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
If he is out the rest of this year and next year with TJS, is he still a good investment?
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:19 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
If he is out the rest of this year and next year with TJS, is he still a good investment?
NO! Even with him pitching very well the Yanks are a 200 million team that has struggled to maintain being average. Their run differential is worse than the Cubs and their payroll is 2x as much. The real kicker here is that Tanaka can opt out after the 2017 season.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:22 PM

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Tanaka's arm could fall off and Cubs2007 would say it was a good investment since he didn't sign with the Cubs. But if he sign with the Cubs and didn't throw complete shutouts every time he say Tanaka was a bad investment. It's lay number #9 out of his book.


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HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
If he is out the rest of this year and next year with TJS, is he still a good investment?

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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:25 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
If he is out the rest of this year and next year with TJS, is he still a good investment?
NO! Even with him pitching very well the Yanks are a 200 million team that has struggled to maintain being average. Their run differential is worse than the Cubs and their payroll is 2x as much. The real kicker here is that Tanaka can opt out after the 2017 season.
Right. It is a win-win for Tanaka. If he is injured/bad, he doesn't opt out. If he pitched healthy the 4 years and was as good as he has been thus far, he opts out for even more money.

Because of the timeframe, Tanaka's contract would never have worked for the Cubs. It may or may not work for the Yankees, who seem to operate with different thoughts about money.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:31 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
If he is out the rest of this year and next year with TJS, is he still a good investment?
NO! Even with him pitching very well the Yanks are a 200 million team that has struggled to maintain being average. Their run differential is worse than the Cubs and their payroll is 2x as much. The real kicker here is that Tanaka can opt out after the 2017 season.
Tanaka was the main reason the Yankees have stayed afloat this season. It is not Tanakas fault on the rest of the Yankee payroll.

No player is a good investment if they are not playing for a year and a half.

Obviously the front office felt he was worth the risk since they offered him 120 million. The front office will end up taking a risk and sign some high priced free agents. He is just having a MRI and no one knows how long he will be out but he has shown to be an elite talent so far so and I think in the long run can still be a good investment.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:56 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: http://nypost.com/2014/07/09/m...i-on-right-arm/


Maybe not such a good investment after all?
He has been a very good investment -

The AL Rookie of the Year front-runner has posted a 2.51 ERA and MLB-best 12 wins in 18 starts covering 129 1/3 innings.
If he is out the rest of this year and next year with TJS, is he still a good investment?
NO! Even with him pitching very well the Yanks are a 200 million team that has struggled to maintain being average. Their run differential is worse than the Cubs and their payroll is 2x as much. The real kicker here is that Tanaka can opt out after the 2017 season.
Tanaka was the main reason the Yankees have stayed afloat this season. It is not Tanakas fault on the rest of the Yankee payroll.

No player is a good investment if they are not playing for a year and a half.

Obviously the front office felt he was worth the risk since they offered him 120 million. The front office will end up taking a risk and sign some high priced free agents. He is just having a MRI and no one knows how long he will be out but he has shown to be an elite talent so far so and I think in the long run can still be a good investment.
He has missed 80 percent oh his teams games and 86 percent of his teams innings. You completely over value the importance of one pitcher during the regular season.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:30 PM

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my big question here is who is to say Tanaka wont become the next Dice K?

Remember how glorified him and his gyro ball were when he first signed...he pitched like an ace too...now look at him
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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:23 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
He has missed 80 percent oh his teams games and 86 percent of his teams innings. You completely over value the importance of one pitcher during the regular season.
You totally under value the importance of an ace pitcher to a team. 24 pitchers have been MVP's during the regular season.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 5:37 AM

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Masahiro Tanaka is flying to Seattle to see Dr. Christopher Ahmad. There is a conference there being attended by all the top orthopedics.

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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:04 AM

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He's been worth about 17M this season and if he continues to pitch, he'll almost certainly be worth more than the 22M he's being paid for 2014.

I doubt the deal works out in the long-term though. Maybe this news isn't serious, but it's practically a guarantee he'll be injured in the next few seasons.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:07 PM

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   Partially torn UCL.  Receiving plasma rich injection and they hope he'll be back in 6 weeks, no surgery recommended right now but still might be in the future. 

   Probably shouldn't jinx us but our luck has been good if you think about it...missed out on Tanaka which got us Hammel which helped get us Russell,  Hoffman went down before we presumably would have picked him allowing us to pick Schwarber.   It's pretty amazing how many pitchers have gone down this year.  We've only had the one major (temporary) loss of Edwards.


  Yadier Molina is also out for the Cardinals, 8-12 weeks or pretty much the rest of the season.

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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:57 PM

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cubsfaninca wrote:    Partially torn UCL.  Receiving plasma rich injection and they hope he'll be back in 6 weeks, no surgery recommended right now but still might be in the future. 

   Probably shouldn't jinx us but our luck has been good if you think about it...missed out on Tanaka which got us Hammel which helped get us Russell,  Hoffman went down before we presumably would have picked him allowing us to pick Schwarber.   It's pretty amazing how many pitchers have gone down this year.  We've only had the one major (temporary) loss of Edwards.


  Yadier Molina is also out for the Cardinals, 8-12 weeks or pretty much the rest of the season.
The Yankees just need to forget about the plasma/stem-cell injections and get this guy his TJS now. Given the way Tanaka throws, and the sheer number of splitters he uses, what are the odds that this partial tear doesn't turn into a complete rupture even after 6-8 weeks. Besides, the Yankees aren't going anywhere without him in 2014--right now they have a 16% chance of making the playoffs (according to ESPN) and have a -37 run differential, which makes their .505 winning percentage damned near miraculous. My question is this: Given that the Yankees' owners are still named Steinbrenner, is someone going to take the fall for (a) giving Tanaka 7/$155m and (b) not being more careful with a guy who'd piled up 1300 professional innings before reaching age 25 and who was accustomed to pitching once every 6 or 7 days. You know that someone is going to be scapegoated here...is it Rothschild? Girardi? Cashman himself? I'm just waiting for the inevitable leaks and quotes from "unnamed sources" in the NY press as the relevant parties try to cover their respective @sses and shift the blame to someone else. I honestly feel bad for Tanaka, but I have to admit that the idea of an old-fashioned Yankee bloodletting warms my heart...devildevildevildevildevil
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:19 PM

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Yanks have been hit hard by injuries. Any chance they'd like Edwin for next to nothing?
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:47 PM

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doughboy981 wrote: Yanks have been hit hard by injuries. Any chance they'd like Edwin for next to nothing?
             We can only wish and hope.  We will throw in Barney and the 4th outfielder of their choice to sweeten the pot as long as they pay his salary.  Maybe we can snag another Corey Black coming back.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 11:34 PM

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cubsfaninca wrote:
doughboy981 wrote: Yanks have been hit hard by injuries. Any chance they'd like Edwin for next to nothing?
             We can only wish and hope.  We will throw in Barney and the 4th outfielder of their choice to sweeten the pot as long as they pay his salary.  Maybe we can snag another Corey Black coming back.
I would shop Wada and Wood as well...lots of pitchers going down and very few options out there so far
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