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Posted: 7/9/2014 1:19 PM

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Bruce Levine@MLBBruceLevine ·

If the Marlins Casey McGehee is voted on NL AS team that will make four former Cub third baseman in the game . Ramirez-Harrison-Donaldson.

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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:31 PM

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Like someone else said on here once - Who says the Cubs don't produce quality position players.  They just play for other teams.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:41 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: Like someone else said on here once - Who says the Cubs don't produce quality position players.  They just play for other teams.
Also it serves as

(1)another cautionary tale about trading away your prospects - Josh Donaldson given up for Harden rental
(2)another example of the value of waiver wire pickups - McGehee claimed off waivers by Brewers from Cubs
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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:54 PM

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I still wonder if Aramis Ramirez is such a horrible example in Milwaukee with his lack-luster play.   Such a stupid Chicago media narrative that fans latched onto like sheep. blah2banghead
"There are two kinds of people in the world, those with a rope around the neck and the people who have the job of doing the cutting."-Tuco
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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:57 PM

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--- ILLINIrob83 wrote:

I still wonder if Aramis Ramirez is such a horrible example in Milwaukee with his lack-luster play.   Such a stupid Chicago media narrative that fans latched onto like sheep. blah2banghead

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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:09 PM

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The Cubs should bring this up if they try to trade Olt?
HomerInGloamin wrote: Bruce Levine@MLBBruceLevine ·

If the Marlins Casey McGehee is voted on NL AS team that will make four former Cub third baseman in the game . Ramirez-Harrison-Donaldson.



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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:20 PM

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--- ILLINIrob83 wrote:

I still wonder if Aramis Ramirez is such a horrible example in Milwaukee with his lack-luster play.   Such a stupid Chicago media narrative that fans latched onto like sheep. blah2banghead

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Wait till they start losing again. Then the real Ramirez will show up. He of the what..200 career playoff BA.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:33 PM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:


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--- ILLINIrob83 wrote:

I still wonder if Aramis Ramirez is such a horrible example in Milwaukee with his lack-luster play.   Such a stupid Chicago media narrative that fans latched onto like sheep. blah2banghead

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Wait till they start losing again. Then the real Ramirez will show up. He of the what..200 career playoff BA.
Yeah, those 25 at bats in the '07 and '08 playoffs are the real Ramirez.  Not the .294/.356/.531 with 239 homers in his other 4700 at bats, not to mention the 4 homers and 1.000 OPS in the '03 playoffs.

Airtight logic there.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:06 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:


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--- ILLINIrob83 wrote:

I still wonder if Aramis Ramirez is such a horrible example in Milwaukee with his lack-luster play.   Such a stupid Chicago media narrative that fans latched onto like sheep. blah2banghead

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Wait till they start losing again. Then the real Ramirez will show up. He of the what..200 career playoff BA.
Yeah, those 25 at bats in the '07 and '08 playoffs are the real Ramirez.  Not the .294/.356/.531 with 239 homers in his other 4700 at bats, not to mention the 4 homers and 1.000 OPS in the '03 playoffs.

Airtight logic there.
pretty much.
"There are two kinds of people in the world, those with a rope around the neck and the people who have the job of doing the cutting."-Tuco
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:25 PM

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LOL...which one of those 4 3B did we care about at the time of the trade?

I know I didnt care about Ramirez...the fact we let him walk was appauling instead of trading him for some value.

Personally I think we may have the best 3B in our system since Ramirez  and hopefully better.

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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:25 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote: Like someone else said on here once - Who says the Cubs don't produce quality position players.  They just play for other teams.
Also it serves as

(1)another cautionary tale about trading away your prospects - Josh Donaldson given up for Harden rental
(2)another example of the value of waiver wire pickups - McGehee claimed off waivers by Brewers from Cubs
IMO the Cubs shouldn't be faulted for the Harden trade.  For one thing, Donaldson wasn't even a top 100 prospect (I'm guessing; his minor league numbers didn't stand out at all).  He wasn't even the headliner of that trade.  For another, the Cubs were headed for the playoffs and needed a shutdown starter for a WS run, much like the A's this year whom no one is faulting for trading a Top 10 prospect for Samardzija.

Also, Harden wasn't a rental.  He had a full year left on his contract after '08.

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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:30 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:


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--- ILLINIrob83 wrote:

I still wonder if Aramis Ramirez is such a horrible example in Milwaukee with his lack-luster play.   Such a stupid Chicago media narrative that fans latched onto like sheep. blah2banghead

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Wait till they start losing again. Then the real Ramirez will show up. He of the what..200 career playoff BA.
Yeah, those 25 at bats in the '07 and '08 playoffs are the real Ramirez.  Not the .294/.356/.531 with 239 homers in his other 4700 at bats, not to mention the 4 homers and 1.000 OPS in the '03 playoffs.

Airtight logic there.
Yeah your right..he didn't bat .200 for his career in the playoffs; it's .194:

http://www.baseball-reference....ramirar01.shtml

Ramirez was a good player for the Cubs, a great RBI guy but also pain in the ass who dog it a lot of the time. Watch the 2006 series in Minny for reference. I thought Bob Brenly was going to jump out of the booth and choke him out. He also was packing his bags with Alou after Game 6 to make sure he get a early flight back to HR.

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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:31 PM

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wrigleykid wrote: LOL...which one of those 4 3B did we care about at the time of the trade?

I know I didnt care about Ramirez...the fact we let him walk was appauling instead of trading him for some value.

Personally I think we may have the best 3B in our system since Ramirez  and hopefully better.
Wasn't that under the Hendry Era watch?
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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:32 PM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
Wait till they start losing again. Then the real Ramirez will show up. He of the what..200 career playoff BA.

This post doesn't make any sense.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:33 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote: Like someone else said on here once - Who says the Cubs don't produce quality position players.  They just play for other teams.
Also it serves as

(1)another cautionary tale about trading away your prospects - Josh Donaldson given up for Harden rental
(2)another example of the value of waiver wire pickups - McGehee claimed off waivers by Brewers from Cubs
IMO the Cubs shouldn't be faulted for the Harden trade.  For one thing, Donaldson wasn't even a top 100 prospect (I'm guessing; his minor league numbers didn't stand out at all).  He wasn't even the headliner of that trade.  For another, the Cubs were headed for the playoffs and needed a shutdown starter for a WS run, much like the A's this year whom no one is faulting for trading a Top 10 prospect for Samardzija.

Also, Harden wasn't a rental.  He had a full year left on his contract after '08.
Anyone saying that deal was bad for the Cubs now is a bag of douche. Everyone praised it at the time as a win/win for both teams. Not Hendry's fault everyone on that roster choked.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 6:51 PM

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To be fair, I think Goblin was just pointing out the risk of trading prospects.  But this was the risk of a fringy prospect eventually becoming an All Star.  I'd still take those odds when acquiring major leaguers.

Last edited 7/9/2014 6:55 PM by KatieCubFan

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Posted: 7/9/2014 8:51 PM

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I try not to pat attention to the Cubs2007 BS anymore but I'm about 90% certain HomerInGloamin is his new moniker. Every %^**+==¥£€> post on here is negative. Please ban him to make this board more tolerable. He turns everything against the new cubs brass
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Posted: 7/9/2014 8:55 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: To be fair, I think Goblin was just pointing out the risk of trading prospects.  But this was the risk of a fringy prospect eventually becoming an All Star.  I'd still take those odds when acquiring major leaguers.
Exactly. I don't think anyone expected anything 'special' from Donaldson. But clearly the A's saw something [they are good at that]. If the Cubs win the world series [or lets be honest, even get there], then what they gave up to get there would have been beside the point. It doesn't always work out. Obviously, a lot of times it does.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 10:26 PM

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Yooper79 wrote: I try not to pat attention to the Cubs2007 BS anymore but I'm about 90% certain HomerInGloamin is his new moniker. Every %^**+==¥£€> post on here is negative. Please ban him to make this board more tolerable. He turns everything against the new cubs brass

It is 100% him.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:15 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote: To be fair, I think Goblin was just pointing out the risk of trading prospects.  But this was the risk of a fringy prospect eventually becoming an All Star.  I'd still take those odds when acquiring major leaguers.
ON THE FLIP SIDE: The Cubs will not be able to keep all of their prospects as they will run out of time. Even if they decide not to add any FA next season they will have to expose some players to the rule five draft. At some point a three for 1 trade will make sense or they will lose some guys to rule five.
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