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International free agents

Posted: 7/3/2014 1:59 PM

International free agents 


http://www.baseballamerica.com...wander-cabrera/

The Cubs have signed Dominican lefthander Wander Cabrera for $250,000. Cabrera is 6-foot-2, 190 pounds and has shown solid arm strength for a 16-year-old lefty, though his delivery and strike-throwing ability will need take a step forward.

http://www.baseballamerica.com...yeiler-peguero/

The Cubs have signed 16-year-old Dominican shortstop Yeiler Peguero for $250,000. At 5-foot-10, 155 pounds, Peguero is an above-average runner with an average arm and should be able to stay in the middle of the infield. He’s a switch-hitter with a line-drive approach
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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:08 PM

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Cabrera reportedly throws 87-90 already.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:25 PM

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So lets address the elephant in the room.

I need professional opinions as well as whoever has insight into this draft..

Is this talent pool lower than last years?

Are there still really good players we are missing out on?

But more importantly does the Cub's excuse of going well over cap last year  hold water now...or was it just a flat out mistake?
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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:34 PM

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http://www.baseballamerica.com...sign-tony-rijo/

The Cubs have signed 16-year-old Dominican third baseman Tony Rijo for $100,000. He’s 6-foot-1, 175 pounds and is a righthanded hitter with quick hands, a line-drive stroke and occasional power. His offense is ahead of his defense, where he has an average arm and projects as either a third baseman or a corner outfielder
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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:36 PM

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Top 30 and where they have signed -

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ospects-signed/

Rk.PlayerPos.NationalitySigning Team
1Adrian RondonssDominican Republic
2Juan De LeonofDominican RepublicYankees
3Brayan HernandezofVenezuela
4Anderson EspinozarhpVenezuelaRed Sox
5Gilbert LarassDominican Republic
6Nelson Gomez3bDominican RepublicYankees
7Wilkerman GarciassVenezuelaYankees
8Arquimedes GamboassVenezuelaPhillies
9Dermis GarciassDomincan Republic
10Juan MezarhpVenezuelaBlue Jays
11Christopher AcostarhpDomincan RepublicRed Sox
12Pedro GonzalezssDomincan RepublicRockies
13Kenny HernandezssVenezuela
14Huascar YnoarhpDominican RepublicTwins
15Franklin PerezrhpVenezuelaAstros
16Miguel FlamescVenezuelaYankees
17Ricky AracenassDominican Republic
18Hyo-Joon ParkssSouth KoreaYankees
19Miguel Angel SierrassVenezuelaAstros
20Christopher TorresssDominican Republic
21Ricardo RodriguezcVenezuelaPadres
22Jonathan AmundarayofVenezuelaYankees
23Bryan EmeryofColombia
24Diego CastillossVenezuelaYankees
25Ronny RafaelofDominican Republic
26Amado NunezssDominican RepublicWhite Sox
27Jesus SanchezofDominican RepublicRays
28Antonio AriasofVenezuelaYankees
29Daniel BritossVenezuelaPhillies
30Kevin VicunassVenezuelaBlue Jays
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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:44 PM

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HomerInGloamin wrote: Top 30 and where they have signed -

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ospects-signed/

Rk. Player Pos. Nationality Signing Team
1 Adrian Rondon ss Dominican Republic
2 Juan De Leon of Dominican Republic Yankees
3 Brayan Hernandez of Venezuela
4 Anderson Espinoza rhp Venezuela Red Sox
5 Gilbert Lara ss Dominican Republic
6 Nelson Gomez 3b Dominican Republic Yankees
7 Wilkerman Garcia ss Venezuela Yankees
8 Arquimedes Gamboa ss Venezuela Phillies
9 Dermis Garcia ss Domincan Republic
10 Juan Meza rhp Venezuela Blue Jays
11 Christopher Acosta rhp Domincan Republic Red Sox
12 Pedro Gonzalez ss Domincan Republic Rockies
13 Kenny Hernandez ss Venezuela
14 Huascar Ynoa rhp Dominican Republic Twins
15 Franklin Perez rhp Venezuela Astros
16 Miguel Flames c Venezuela Yankees
17 Ricky Aracena ss Dominican Republic
18 Hyo-Joon Park ss South Korea Yankees
19 Miguel Angel Sierra ss Venezuela Astros
20 Christopher Torres ss Dominican Republic
21 Ricardo Rodriguez c Venezuela Padres
22 Jonathan Amundaray of Venezuela Yankees
23 Bryan Emery of Colombia
24 Diego Castillo ss Venezuela Yankees
25 Ronny Rafael of Dominican Republic
26 Amado Nunez ss Dominican Republic White Sox
27 Jesus Sanchez of Dominican Republic Rays
28 Antonio Arias of Venezuela Yankees
29 Daniel Brito ss Venezuela Phillies
30 Kevin Vicuna ss Venezuela Blue Jays
lots of SS and not much pitching ....do they all try to be SS because that is the easiest postion to make a switch from?
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Posted: 7/4/2014 5:07 AM

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Wrigleykid~ I think that the disproportionate number of shortstops is something akin to hero worship and contains elements of practicality. In MLB, many of the first great Latin players were shortstops (such as Luis Aparicio, Chico Carrasquel, Dave Concepcion) and many All Stars in the last 2 decades, as well (Hanley Ramirez, Migel Tejada, Omar Vizquel, Ozzie Guillen, Julio Lugo, Jose Reyes, Alex Rodriguez, and even 1-time GG'er/All Star Cesar Izturis). Also, in terms of practicality, it's perhaps the only non-pitching position that exceptionally athletic kids can get on the MLB track with fine glove work and speed, possessing minimal/marginal HR power.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:42 AM

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--- wrigleykid wrote:

So lets address the elephant in the room.

I need professional opinions as well as whoever has insight into this draft..

Is this talent pool lower than last years?

Are there still really good players we are missing out on?

But more importantly does the Cub's excuse of going well over cap last year  hold water now...or was it just a flat out mistake?

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We had quite a haul last year so I'm fine with the reduced slots this year. If there had been a bunch of young pitching prospects this year...then I would have been a little upset.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:20 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:


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--- wrigleykid wrote:

So lets address the elephant in the room.

I need professional opinions as well as whoever has insight into this draft..

Is this talent pool lower than last years?

Are there still really good players we are missing out on?

But more importantly does the Cub's excuse of going well over cap last year  hold water now...or was it just a flat out mistake?

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We had quite a haul last year so I'm fine with the reduced slots this year. If there had been a bunch of young pitching prospects this year...then I would have been a little upset.
I agree...very few pitchers in the top 30...and maybe 2 or 3 catchers
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:32 AM

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They're 16 years-old and premium athletes so most of them are going to at least try to play SS. Candelario even started as a SS when he was younger. Most of them outgrow the position.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 12:15 PM

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The Yankees are showing how the "Big Boys" blow past the International Spending Cap.

In previous seasons, the Cubs and Rangers have blown past the cap and consequently faced limits on how much they could spend in subsequent spending periods. 

This year, the Yankees have committed a mind-blowing $15M+ to signing international prospects.

This has netted them the #2, #6, #7, #9, #16, #18, #22, #24 and #28 of the Top 30.

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ospects-signed/

They spent over $12M on the first day, signing 21 players.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/20...-spending-spree

They only had a spending pool of $2.1931M, so the vast majority of their spending is taxed at a 100% rate.

The non-monetary penalty for blowing past the limits is that they are prevented from paying more than $300k for each international player for the next 2 years [was previously just 1 when the Cubs did last year]. The penalty seems to have scared away the field, however, allowing the Yankees to gobble up talent unopposed in some cases.

I know this is supposedly a lesser-talented crop than last year, but I would imagine this haul is at least as impressive as what the Cubs did last year, and maybe more so by the sheer number of guys with potential that were signed.

Last edited 7/18/2014 12:17 PM by SportsGoblin

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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:06 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote: The Yankees are showing how the "Big Boys" blow past the International Spending Cap.

In previous seasons, the Cubs and Rangers have blown past the cap and consequently faced limits on how much they could spend in subsequent spending periods. 

This year, the Yankees have committed a mind-blowing $15M+ to signing international prospects.

This has netted them the #2, #6, #7, #9, #16, #18, #22, #24 and #28 of the Top 30.

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ospects-signed/

They spent over $12M on the first day, signing 21 players.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/20...-spending-spree

They only had a spending pool of $2.1931M, so the vast majority of their spending is taxed at a 100% rate.

The non-monetary penalty for blowing past the limits is that they are prevented from paying more than $300k for each international player for the next 2 years [was previously just 1 when the Cubs did last year]. The penalty seems to have scared away the field, however, allowing the Yankees to gobble up talent unopposed in some cases.

I know this is supposedly a lesser-talented crop than last year, but I would imagine this haul is at least as impressive as what the Cubs did last year, and maybe more so by the sheer number of guys with potential that were signed.
Would it not need to be much better than the Cubs haul considering the money and 2 year penalty.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:34 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote: The Yankees are showing how the "Big Boys" blow past the International Spending Cap.

In previous seasons, the Cubs and Rangers have blown past the cap and consequently faced limits on how much they could spend in subsequent spending periods. 

This year, the Yankees have committed a mind-blowing $15M+ to signing international prospects.

This has netted them the #2, #6, #7, #9, #16, #18, #22, #24 and #28 of the Top 30.

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ospects-signed/

They spent over $12M on the first day, signing 21 players.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/20...-spending-spree

They only had a spending pool of $2.1931M, so the vast majority of their spending is taxed at a 100% rate.

The non-monetary penalty for blowing past the limits is that they are prevented from paying more than $300k for each international player for the next 2 years [was previously just 1 when the Cubs did last year]. The penalty seems to have scared away the field, however, allowing the Yankees to gobble up talent unopposed in some cases.

I know this is supposedly a lesser-talented crop than last year, but I would imagine this haul is at least as impressive as what the Cubs did last year, and maybe more so by the sheer number of guys with potential that were signed.
Would it not need to be much better than the Cubs haul considering the money and 2 year penalty.
Well you need to consider where they are coming from. The Yankees had much less cap, so blowing past by this margin was going to be expensive. And if they were going to pay the new penalty of two year ban on "big" signings, they needed to really load up to make it worth it. They clearly did that. 

They signed 21 players (and counting), with 9 Top 30s. Factoring the two-for-one penalty, I think the Cubs did slightly better, especially since they signed arguably the #1 and #2 guys of what was generally considered a better class. 

Note though that this is going to be the exact template the Cubs will need to use going forward, when they start being good. Impact talent will be harder to find in the lower part of the first round of the MLB draft, and the international prospects might be their best chance of getting the impact talent...just load up every 3rd year and pay the penalty the next 2.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 2:05 PM

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http://www.baseballamerica.com...milio-ferrebus/

The Cubs have signed 16-year-old Venezuelan righthander Emilio Ferrebus for $250,000. Ferrebus pitched at Major League Baseball’s international showcase in Januayr in the Dominican Republic, where he struck out three in two scoreless innings with two walks. At 6-foot-1, 185 pounds, his velocity varies but has touched the low-90s.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 2:58 PM

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I'm not sure why teams want to blow past the cap in any particular year unless the class is extremely talented. These kids are essentially lottery tickets and forfeiting flexibility to sign a bunch in a single year seems like a strange strategy. Unless the teams are truly confident in their ability to project classes of 14 year-olds and like the current crop better, I'd say it's best to wait.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:31 PM

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tautology wrote: I'm not sure why teams want to blow past the cap in any particular year unless the class is extremely talented. These kids are essentially lottery tickets and forfeiting flexibility to sign a bunch in a single year seems like a strange strategy. Unless the teams are truly confident in their ability to project classes of 14 year-olds and like the current crop better, I'd say it's best to wait.
Wait for what. If your budget for the year is good enough for a top 3-4 player and then all you have left is enough to sign guys out of the top 20, rinse and repeat each year, how is that better than what the Yankees did this year?

I agree that they are all lottery tickets, but they don't all have the same chance of hitting. The Yanks the next 2 season still get the long shot lottery tickets but sit out the chance for a top lottery ticket because they just grabbed 6 of the top 18 and there are still guys available. There is no chance to make this kind of haul in a 3 year period by playing it safe. With the Yanks out next season, I'm fine if the Cubs walk away with 6 of the top 10.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:37 PM

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tautology wrote: I'm not sure why teams want to blow past the cap in any particular year unless the class is extremely talented. These kids are essentially lottery tickets and forfeiting flexibility to sign a bunch in a single year seems like a strange strategy. Unless the teams are truly confident in their ability to project classes of 14 year-olds and like the current crop better, I'd say it's best to wait.
The international cap is small enough that if you pick say 20th, you only have $2M to spend. That is one marquis guy, and not even the #1 guy (Jimenez and Torres were both higher in 2013). The Yankees have spent north of $15M this year, and this is before the penalties, and they may not be done. This is more than 7 times their cap number. To make the math easy, let's say that is 7 marquis guys instead of 1. Yes, you lose the ability to sign a marquis guy the next 2 years. But staying under the cap, you would have gotten 1 marquis guy per year for a total of 3 guys. This way they got 7...and they may not be done yet. This approach works if you are willing to pay the taxes such that you can truly load up on your over-cap year. Yes, you lose flexibility, but the numbers indicate that it likely is worth it.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:27 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:

Wait for what. If your budget for the year is good enough for a top 3-4 player and then all you have left is enough to sign guys out of the top 20, rinse and repeat each year, how is that better than what the Yankees did this year?

I agree that they are all lottery tickets, but they don't all have the same chance of hitting. The Yanks the next 2 season still get the long shot lottery tickets but sit out the chance for a top lottery ticket because they just grabbed 6 of the top 18 and there are still guys available. There is no chance to make this kind of haul in a 3 year period by playing it safe. With the Yanks out next season, I'm fine if the Cubs walk away with 6 of the top 10.
I just think it's difficult to know if the next Miguel Cabrera or Jurickson Profar will emerge in the next few seasons. A team that blows past the cap may end up missing on some of these players they would have otherwise signed due to bonus restrictions.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 3:31 AM

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Cuban 27 year-old free agent Rusney Castillo on on the Cubs' radar (and lots of other teams, too). Here's an article... Cheers!

http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/07/19/rusney-castillo-l inked-to-cubs-white-sox-others/

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 7/20/2014 12:40 PM

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tautology wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:

Wait for what. If your budget for the year is good enough for a top 3-4 player and then all you have left is enough to sign guys out of the top 20, rinse and repeat each year, how is that better than what the Yankees did this year?

I agree that they are all lottery tickets, but they don't all have the same chance of hitting. The Yanks the next 2 season still get the long shot lottery tickets but sit out the chance for a top lottery ticket because they just grabbed 6 of the top 18 and there are still guys available. There is no chance to make this kind of haul in a 3 year period by playing it safe. With the Yanks out next season, I'm fine if the Cubs walk away with 6 of the top 10.
I just think it's difficult to know if the next Miguel Cabrera or Jurickson Profar will emerge in the next few seasons. A team that blows past the cap may end up missing on some of these players they would have otherwise signed due to bonus restrictions.
If Cabrera or Profar were 16 YO old locks to be great, why were their bonuses not much higher, and how did Miggy end up with the Marlins when so many teams had so much more money to spend. IMO, by looking at the top bonus payouts before the new system started the were high end lottery picks but there were even higher paid players that were complete busts. Did the Cubs miss out any potential superstars this season because they loaded up last season? We won't know for years, but that is the point, projecting 16 YO players is a crap shoot. Some of these players will never make it to the states.
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