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Jake Arrieta

Posted: 7/1/2014 10:03 AM

Jake Arrieta 



Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2009: Rated #67 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #99 Prospect
Prospect Ratings by BaseballProspectus.com:
Pre-2009: Rated #52 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #70 Prospect

Was a highly rated prospect and at 28 has he put it all together and now should be considered a top of the rotation stater or is this a career year and will settle in as a #3 or #4 starter
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:13 AM

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Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2009: Rated #67 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #99 Prospect
Prospect Ratings by BaseballProspectus.com:
Pre-2009: Rated #52 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #70 Prospect

Was a highly rated prospect and at 28 has he put it all together and now should be considered a top of the rotation stater or is this a career year and will settle in as a #3 or #4 starter


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I don't think anyone knows. Let's hope TOR, but I'm just enjoying watching what he's doing right now
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:18 AM

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HomerInGloamin wrote:
Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2009: Rated #67 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #99 Prospect
Prospect Ratings by BaseballProspectus.com:
Pre-2009: Rated #52 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #70 Prospect

Was a highly rated prospect and at 28 has he put it all together and now should be considered a top of the rotation stater or is this a career year and will settle in as a #3 or #4 starter

My opinion is that he's pitching over his head but will settle in as a good #3 for several years.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:22 AM

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CoachK34 wrote:


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--- HomerInGloamin wrote:


Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2009: Rated #67 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #99 Prospect
Prospect Ratings by BaseballProspectus.com:
Pre-2009: Rated #52 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #70 Prospect

Was a highly rated prospect and at 28 has he put it all together and now should be considered a top of the rotation stater or is this a career year and will settle in as a #3 or #4 starter


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I don't think anyone knows. Let's hope TOR, but I'm just enjoying watching what he's doing right now
Fangraphs believes he has turned the corner:

As far back as June 19th:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...w-jesse-chavez/

and now more praise:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...es-from-monday/

He has changed pitch selection and frequency and it has made all the difference. Maybe he has improved that pitch. In any event, the change looks quite real and not a "sample size" issue purely related to luck. 

He always had the stuff. He now has mastered when and how to throw it. In this last month, the only SP in the NL with comparable results was...Kershaw. Yeah, that Kershaw.

Per Muskat:

Kershaw led NL pitchers in June with 0.82 ERA (4 ER/44 IP); #Cubs Jake Arrieta 2nd best, 0.92 ERA (4 ER/39 1/3 IP)

Last edited 7/1/2014 10:37 AM by SportsGoblin

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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:44 AM

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don't trust him but  time will tell.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:15 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
Fangraphs believes he has turned the corner:

As far back as June 19th:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...w-jesse-chavez/

and now more praise:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...es-from-monday/

He has changed pitch selection and frequency and it has made all the difference. Maybe he has improved that pitch. In any event, the change looks quite real and not a "sample size" issue purely related to luck. 

He always had the stuff. He now has mastered when and how to throw it. In this last month, the only SP in the NL with comparable results was...Kershaw. Yeah, that Kershaw.

Per Muskat:

Kershaw led NL pitchers in June with 0.82 ERA (4 ER/44 IP); #Cubs Jake Arrieta 2nd best, 0.92 ERA (4 ER/39 1/3 IP)

So if he has turned the corner should the Cubs sign him to an extension ? Next year he starts his arb years and may be worthwhile to sign to a 4-5 year deal and make him one of the building blocks like Castro & Rizzo.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 12:08 PM

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It would be something to think about.  Another thing to consider is that he's a Boras client.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 12:21 PM

Re: Jake Arrieta 



HomerInGloamin wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
Fangraphs believes he has turned the corner:

As far back as June 19th:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...w-jesse-chavez/

and now more praise:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs...es-from-monday/

He has changed pitch selection and frequency and it has made all the difference. Maybe he has improved that pitch. In any event, the change looks quite real and not a "sample size" issue purely related to luck. 

He always had the stuff. He now has mastered when and how to throw it. In this last month, the only SP in the NL with comparable results was...Kershaw. Yeah, that Kershaw.

Per Muskat:

Kershaw led NL pitchers in June with 0.82 ERA (4 ER/44 IP); #Cubs Jake Arrieta 2nd best, 0.92 ERA (4 ER/39 1/3 IP)

So if he has turned the corner should the Cubs sign him to an extension ? Next year he starts his arb years and may be worthwhile to sign to a 4-5 year deal and make him one of the building blocks like Castro & Rizzo.
Yes, I would want the Cubs to sign him to an extension that buys out his arbitration years and gives them a couple years beyond that, like what the White Sox did with Quintana.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 1:10 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
Yes, I would want the Cubs to sign him to an extension that buys out his arbitration years and gives them a couple years beyond that, like what the White Sox did with Quintana.

We agree - I like the idea of signing him to an extension
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Posted: 7/1/2014 2:22 PM

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It would be something to think about.  Another thing to consider is that he's a Boras client.

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Scott Boras is likely jumping up and down and kicking his chops. Btw what is the success rate of Boras' clients. .. there may be something to that lol.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 2:27 PM

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wrigleykid wrote:


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It would be something to think about.  Another thing to consider is that he's a Boras client.

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Scott Boras is likely jumping up and down and kicking his chops. Btw what is the success rate of Boras' clients. .. there may be something to that lol.
A lot of the time the best players/draftees seek him out as their agent/advisor, so yeah their success rate is pretty good.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 2:55 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
Yes, I would want the Cubs to sign him to an extension that buys out his arbitration years and gives them a couple years beyond that, like what the White Sox did with Quintana.

We agree - I like the idea of signing him to an extension

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No rush to do that...let's see how he performs for a whole season and stays healthy. Even with that why sign a guy when you can have one year deals until he's 31? His trade value is his controllable years without long term commitment right now.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 3:13 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:


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--- HomerInGloamin wrote:


SportsGoblin wrote:
Yes, I would want the Cubs to sign him to an extension that buys out his arbitration years and gives them a couple years beyond that, like what the White Sox did with Quintana.

We agree - I like the idea of signing him to an extension

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No rush to do that...let's see how he performs for a whole season and stays healthy. Even with that why sign a guy when you can have one year deals until he's 31? His trade value is his controllable years without long term commitment right now.
I'm not saying you give him Kershaw money. The fact that you own 3 years of control of him beyond this year allow you to sign him to a more team-friendly deal, like what was done for Chris Sale and/or Jose Quintana....and what was done for Castro and Rizzo closer to home. If you can get that kind of deal, you do it. If he wants other than a team-friendly deal, then yes you can make him prove it for another year...but if you do and he does prove it, you know the cost has just gone up again.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 4:23 PM

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--- SportsGoblin wrote:


msqboxer2011 wrote:


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--- HomerInGloamin wrote:


SportsGoblin wrote:
Yes, I would want the Cubs to sign him to an extension that buys out his arbitration years and gives them a couple years beyond that, like what the White Sox did with Quintana.

We agree - I like the idea of signing him to an extension

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No rush to do that...let's see how he performs for a whole season and stays healthy. Even with that why sign a guy when you can have one year deals until he's 31? His trade value is his controllable years without long term commitment right now.
I'm not saying you give him Kershaw money. The fact that you own 3 years of control of him beyond this year allow you to sign him to a more team-friendly deal, like what was done for Chris Sale and/or Jose Quintana....and what was done for Castro and Rizzo closer to home. If you can get that kind of deal, you do it. If he wants other than a team-friendly deal, then yes you can make him prove it for another year...but if you do and he does prove it, you know the cost has just gone up again.

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Understand your thoughts....but with an organization trying to generate new revenue and a core developing in 2015 and 2016 why spend the money now? Also the Sale/Quintana deals were to players 25 or under with 2 seasons of quality work of 150 innings+.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 5:27 PM

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Rob Neyer questions whether they should trade Samardzija, because "if Arrieta is for real the Cubs might be closer than we thought."

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s...-thought-070114

Last edited 7/1/2014 5:29 PM by KatieCubFan

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Posted: 7/1/2014 9:14 PM

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Rob Neyer questions whether they should trade Samardzija, because "if Arrieta is for real the Cubs might be closer than we thought."

msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s...-thought-070114

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I would agree...to me anything less then 2 top 100 prospects with one being a pitcher would not be enough for a Shark.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:48 PM

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So, this might be good for it's own thread, but when does Chris Bosio start getting major love for some of this success?  I know it's impossible for any of us not in the "know" to comment about how much responsibility he has in some of these reclamation projects/Arrieta/Strop/bullpen, but eventually when the success stories start to add up, I look at the constants and that right now is Bosio.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:11 PM

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zighawk73 wrote: So, this might be good for it's own thread, but when does Chris Bosio start getting major love for some of this success?  I know it's impossible for any of us not in the "know" to comment about how much responsibility he has in some of these reclamation projects/Arrieta/Strop/bullpen, but eventually when the success stories start to add up, I look at the constants and that right now is Bosio.
are u asking us...because CSN Todd Hollandsworth praised Bosio...I said Bosio has Magic pitching dust he stole from the Cards...I said I want Sanchez because I think Bosio can fix him...I have nothing but love for Bosio

Also there still is a slight chance the Mariners would trade Walker for Samardzija...and I dont think I would wanna turn that down
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:22 PM

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In a few years they'll be talking about Bosio the same way they talked about Dave Duncan.  I'm pretty sure I'm serious.  They were smart to keep him after they let Sveum and the rest of his staff go.  Pitchers become ground ball machines under his tutelage, as illustrated on several fan sites.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:42 AM

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wrigleykid wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: So, this might be good for it's own thread, but when does Chris Bosio start getting major love for some of this success?  I know it's impossible for any of us not in the "know" to comment about how much responsibility he has in some of these reclamation projects/Arrieta/Strop/bullpen, but eventually when the success stories start to add up, I look at the constants and that right now is Bosio.
are u asking us...because CSN Todd Hollandsworth praised Bosio...I said Bosio has Magic pitching dust he stole from the Cards...I said I want Sanchez because I think Bosio can fix him...I have nothing but love for Bosio

Also there still is a slight chance the Mariners would trade Walker for Samardzija...and I dont think I would wanna turn that down
See Katie's post.  That was more the angle I was talking about.  A lot of people that follow the Cubs closely know the deal, but with success stories like Arrieta, he's gonna start getting mentioned in the convo as one of the best in the game.  A nice thing for an organization heavy on impact hitting prospects but that has to get creative to find pitching.
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