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Can 2015 team contend

Posted: 6/3/2014 6:21 PM

Can 2015 team contend 


HolyMackeral seems to think they will be contenders next year. Instead of complaining about the present lets see how the team can improve dramatically in 1 off season.

Some seem to believe the checkbook will open and they will sign a top of the rotation starter.

If Samardzija and Hammel are traded along with a few other complimentary pieces there are a lot of holes to fill to make the playoffs ( for the purpose of this discussion contender = playoffs)

I think the team needs a new OF, 3b, 2b and 2 new starters for 2015.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 6:27 PM

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You're giving up on 2014 already?
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Posted: 6/3/2014 6:32 PM

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At this point in the process they are exactly where they want to be. With the 2016 draft stacked with future franchise players, there's no reason to spend on high priced free agents when a top draft pick and free agent bonus pool could net you several future difference makers.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 6:32 PM

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answer 2007 question


No
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Posted: 6/3/2014 6:38 PM

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tautology wrote: At this point in the process they are exactly where they want to be. With the 2016 draft stacked with future franchise players, there's no reason to spend on high priced free agents when a top draft pick and free agent bonus pool could net you several future difference makers.

make sure I understand. So when we are terrible next year, that will be the draft we are rewarded?  You aren't talking about tanking it for two more years?

serious question.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 7:47 PM

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Quick question. Say the cubs have the #1 pick next year and they go out and sign Max Scherzer, do they lose the #1 pick or are there a certain number of picks that are protected. I think it will be very tough for a bad team and small market to go out and spend on a stud FA If they are gonna lose there top 5 draft pick.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 7:49 PM

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cubber21 wrote: Quick question. Say the cubs have the #1 pick next year and they go out and sign Max Scherzer, do they lose the #1 pick or are there a certain number of pucks that are protected. I think it will be very tough for a bad team and small market to go out and spend on a stud FA I'd they are gonna lose there top 5 draft pick.
N-O. No. They'd lose their second round pick. So no under-slotting ideas.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:15 PM

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FirstAmendmentFreedom wrote:

HolyMackeral seems to think they will be contenders next year. Instead of complaining about the present lets see how the team can improve dramatically in 1 off season.

Some seem to believe the checkbook will open and they will sign a top of the rotation starter.

If Samardzija and Hammel are traded along with a few other complimentary pieces there are a lot of holes to fill to make the playoffs ( for the purpose of this discussion contender = playoffs)

I think the team needs a new OF, 3b, 2b and 2 new starters for 2015.

thats not really fair...did Mackeral say they would make the playoffs??...or just compete

because I think they will compete...hell I think they can still compete this year....but I dont think they make the playoffs

As far as your holes

3B- pretty sure we have that covered just a question of when
2B- covered as well
OF- 2 FA I like...but we will have to wait and hope they open the wallet...Cabrera and Markakis are there for the taking...I prefer Cabrera
2 SP...plenty of FA
Scherzer
Lester
Masterson
Cueto
Shields
Billiingsly
Liriano

Or if the Cubs decide to be cheapskates and miss out on the best pitching FA crop available for the foreseeable future

Hendricks...who I think gets a shot anyways
Grimm
Wada
Ramirez- most intriguing option
Rusin- been there seen that

While I am at it I would trade Wood as well before he loses all value if he hasnt already.

Last edited 6/3/2014 8:15 PM by wrigleykid

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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:33 PM

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Mackeral thinks there will be an obvious change in the tone this off season as it pertains to the FA market. For the first time, this FO will go after targeted players to add to the MLB roster with the same dogged determination they went after Soler, Jimenez, and Torres during the heart of the rebuild. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean Scherzer or Lester. I don't see that sort of move for 2015, I see a number of signings from a group headed up by Liriano, B. Anderson, Gallardo, and Billingsly, ect.-- two will be signed and add another one in the Hamel, Feldman class. Also, Rasmus is a likely target.

That, along with Bryant, Alcantara, and a few more relievers being primed and ready will be more than enough to bring about a significant turn around-- as in the hunt all year. Think 2001 season, leading to 2003 and beyond, as hitting prospects aren't as fragile as young pitchers.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:46 PM

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HolyMackeral wrote: Mackeral thinks there will be an obvious change in the tone this off season as it pertains to the FA market. For the first time, this FO will go after targeted players to add to the MLB roster with the same dogged determination they went after Soler, Jimenez, and Torres during the heart of the rebuild. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean Scherzer or Lester. I don't see that sort of move for 2015, I see a number of signings from a group headed up by Liriano, B. Anderson, Gallardo, and Billingsly, ect.-- two will be signed and add another one in the Hamel, Feldman class. Also, Rasmus is a likely target.

That, along with Bryant, Alcantara, and a few more relievers being primed and ready will be more than enough to bring about a significant turn around-- as in the hunt all year. Think 2001 season, leading to 2003 and beyond, as hitting prospects aren't as fragile as young pitchers.
well you and I mostly agree o this...Theo may have the inside track on Lester given their past ...and lets face it Lester has proved himself a lot more than Shark regarding the money they deserve....I at first thought Rasmus...but his numbers do not impress me...I would love to have switch-hitting Melky Cabrera.

I agree like I said many times this is the transition year...so I am hoping the kids start replacing flippables....its already happened in the bullpen...FO I believe said it was not Veras' performance but rather the performances of the kids...I am guessing it was a little bit from column a and a little bit from column bwink
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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:53 PM

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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:46 AM

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I don't see a big name pitcher coming here. The money will be roughly the same and nobody is coming to this mess of organization.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:44 AM

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DoubleDown11 wrote:
Regrettably it is. That is what happens though when the publisher refuses to moderate. I think the virus changed names again in this thread for those on the look out.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:55 AM

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I don't see a big name pitcher coming here. The money will be roughly the same and nobody is coming to this mess of organization.

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Agreed....there isn't a type A free agent that will be willing to sign with the Cubs unless they overpay.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:04 AM

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wrigleykid wrote:
well you and I mostly agree o this...Theo may have the inside track on Lester given their past ...and lets face it Lester has proved himself a lot more than Shark regarding the money they deserve....I at first thought Rasmus...but his numbers do not impress me...I would love to have switch-hitting Melky Cabrera.

I agree like I said many times this is the transition year...so I am hoping the kids start replacing flippables....its already happened in the bullpen...FO I believe said it was not Veras' performance but rather the performances of the kids...I am guessing it was a little bit from column a and a little bit from column b
You have posted a few times you think the Cubs have the inside track with the Cubs - I think he stays in Boston

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/20...ion-free-agency

Boston lefty Jon Lester is set to become a free agent after the season, but Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino expressed his club's intention to pursue an extension with the two-time All Star on WEEI's Dennis and Callahan Morning Show. Lester has indicated that he's like to remain with the team, claiming that he'd take a "hometown discount" to do so.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:14 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:


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I don't see a big name pitcher coming here. The money will be roughly the same and nobody is coming to this mess of organization.

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Agreed....there isn't a type A free agent that will be willing to sign with the Cubs unless they overpay.
so overpay...right now I agree though, we have to start playing better and thats why I said there is some merit in having a close to .500 season
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:33 AM

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wrigleykid wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote:


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I don't see a big name pitcher coming here. The money will be roughly the same and nobody is coming to this mess of organization.

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Agreed....there isn't a type A free agent that will be willing to sign with the Cubs unless they overpay.
so overpay...right now I agree though, we have to start playing better and thats why I said there is some merit in having a close to .500 season
Many posters do not want the team overpaying for free agents especially when the team is not close to contending. The argument has been not to spend big and waste the first couple years on a big contract when you aren't ready to contend.

I have always advocated getting talent when available. I would hope they sign a couple veterans that can help in the rotation and help the offense. Next year should see Baez & Bryant but don't want them to feel thery have to carry the team.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:09 AM

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IMO they are 1 LH hitting OF from having a very good offense at some point next season.

Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
LH OF FA
Lake/platoon
Valbuena/Olt
Castillo
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:13 AM

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absolutebadger wrote: IMO they are 1 LH hitting OF from having a very good offense at some point next season.

Alcantara
Castro
Rizzo
Bryant
LH OF FA
Lake/platoon
Valbuena/Olt
Castillo
LOL...you did a me I think...so no Baez next year?wink
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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:30 AM

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I am not ready to give up on Olt but the consensus is he is a bench player...so for arguments sake lets say he is...i also think Kalish will have a shot at a full time job but he could platoon with Lake if he doesnt wow us.  So heres what I would like to see...and only because its gonna be a competition  beginning in 2015.  Also I am basing this on the chance we sign Melky Cabrera..

Alacantara CF/LF
Cabrera RF  not sure but as far as his arm in RF it cant be much worse than what we have there now
Rizzo 1B'
Bryant 3B
Baez 2B
Castro SS
Castilo C
Kalish/Lake LF/CF
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