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Posted: 10/10/2013 9:56 AM

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http://www.suntimes.com/230545...gley-rehab.html

Rooftop club owners did the same last week in a statement that said, “There is nothing stopping owners of one of the most valuable teams in baseball from fixing the dugouts, the bathrooms or the multitude of improvements that are long overdue. ... Those aspects of renovation have nothing to do with the issue between the Cubs and rooftops. For a team that set deadlines, their silence has been deafening.”

Is the revenue generated from the jumbotron/sign in right field/other signage used for the renovations or players ?
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:00 AM

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Yes.  Damn those stupid Cubs for wanting to spend their own money to improve their own property.  They should be ashamed of themselves.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:06 AM

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Yes, that's bad business. They should be making deals where people stealing their product get 83 percent of the profit.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:06 AM

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Move the team to Rosemont. It truly is the only solution. Then Tunney can explain to his constituents are he turned one of the most valuable neighborhoods in the city down the drain.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:09 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: http://www.suntimes.com/230545...gley-rehab.html

Rooftop club owners did the same last week in a statement that said, “There is nothing stopping owners of one of the most valuable teams in baseball from fixing the dugouts, the bathrooms or the multitude of improvements that are long overdue. ... Those aspects of renovation have nothing to do with the issue between the Cubs and rooftops. For a team that set deadlines, their silence has been deafening.”

Is the revenue generated from the jumbotron/sign in right field/other signage used for the renovations or players ?
Ummm...both?
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:20 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: Yes, that's bad business. They should be making deals where people stealing their product get 83 percent of the profit.
Thank Crane Kenney for making that deal
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:48 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: Yes, that's bad business. They should be making deals where people stealing their product get 83 percent of the profit.
Thank Crane Kenney for making that deal
It was a very short-sighted deal. Got them some money, great. But it then prevented them from getting a lot MORE money in the future. And it stupidly legitimized the rooftop owners and offered them assurances with respect to sightlines, etc. Dumb dumb dumb. Once those deals finally expire, I hope Ricketts puts up a giant backdrop that blocks the rooftop views completely. Granted, he will still be fought on that by the crippling landmark status and Tunney trying to block approval of their changes...what a mess.

And the rooftop owners and Ricketts are just playing political football. Sure, the Cubs could fix a lot of things without affecting sitelines, obstructing views, etc. But the Cubs want to do the things that will make them money first. I don't blame them. The other work is the leverage to get the part they want, the revenue-generators. Only a fool would give up his leverage, do all of the remodeling and then just assume the city and rooftop owners would happily embrace the signage and jumbotron then. Ricketts is foolish in many ways, but not with money.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:54 AM

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The Tribsters were really the one behind the crappy rooftop deal. They were just milking the cow for as much as they could. Long term strategy/investments were not even a thought.

Again move the team. Only solution. Watching Tunney and the neighborhood idiots lose their investment down the drain would be so awesome.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:55 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: Yes, that's bad business. They should be making deals where people stealing their product get 83 percent of the profit.
Thank Crane Kenney for making that deal
You know, I don't have a problem with him doing it.  Something is better than nothing.  But to handcuff the organization for that long is the dumb part.  I have zero experience with these types of deals, but it just seems they could have played a little more hardball with the rooftop owners to get some opt-out clauses or something.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 10:58 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: Yes, that's bad business. They should be making deals where people stealing their product get 83 percent of the profit.
Thank Crane Kenney for making that deal
It was a very short-sighted deal. Got them some money, great. But it then prevented them from getting a lot MORE money in the future. And it stupidly legitimized the rooftop owners and offered them assurances with respect to sightlines, etc. Dumb dumb dumb. Once those deals finally expire, I hope Ricketts puts up a giant backdrop that blocks the rooftop views completely. Granted, he will still be fought on that by the crippling landmark status and Tunney trying to block approval of their changes...what a mess.

And the rooftop owners and Ricketts are just playing political football. Sure, the Cubs could fix a lot of things without affecting sitelines, obstructing views, etc. But the Cubs want to do the things that will make them money first. I don't blame them. The other work is the leverage to get the part they want, the revenue-generators. Only a fool would give up his leverage, do all of the remodeling and then just assume the city and rooftop owners would happily embrace the signage and jumbotron then. Ricketts is foolish in many ways, but not with money.
It is hard to believe Ricketts is still playing politics. His original plan was to have Wrigley remodel complete by 2014 to celebrate 100 years and have an all star game that season. Now instead of having the project complete they won't even start until 2014.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:01 AM

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Uncle Bud said no all-star game even if Wrigley was completely remodeled by 2014. That dude cannot die any faster.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:16 AM

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I don't pretend to be smart enough to understand a business and political deal of this magnitude, but from an outside perspective it is pretty frustrating that this is taking so long. We've been hearing about Wrigley renovations for years, even before Ricketts took over. I'm getting pretty close to no longer giving a crap whose fault it is. It just needs to get done, one way or another.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:16 AM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote: Uncle Bud said no all-star game even if Wrigley was completely remodeled by 2014. That dude cannot die any faster.
Even if they could not get the all star game it would have been a great way to celebrate 100 years in a newly remodeled ball park.

Instead all you get is a new logo -

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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:17 AM

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So the rooftop owners are now holding up $500,000 million of union labor. This will not last long. hahaha
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:19 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: So the rooftop owners are now holding up $500,000 million of union labor. This will not last long. hahaha

They lasted this long, I don't think these people will ever give it up. Not until the Cubs take the moving trucks out and head on out to Rosement. Then they watch their prime real estate tank.

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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:28 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: Yes, that's bad business. They should be making deals where people stealing their product get 83 percent of the profit.
Thank Crane Kenney for making that deal
It was a very short-sighted deal. Got them some money, great. But it then prevented them from getting a lot MORE money in the future. And it stupidly legitimized the rooftop owners and offered them assurances with respect to sightlines, etc. Dumb dumb dumb. Once those deals finally expire, I hope Ricketts puts up a giant backdrop that blocks the rooftop views completely. Granted, he will still be fought on that by the crippling landmark status and Tunney trying to block approval of their changes...what a mess.

And the rooftop owners and Ricketts are just playing political football. Sure, the Cubs could fix a lot of things without affecting sitelines, obstructing views, etc. But the Cubs want to do the things that will make them money first. I don't blame them. The other work is the leverage to get the part they want, the revenue-generators. Only a fool would give up his leverage, do all of the remodeling and then just assume the city and rooftop owners would happily embrace the signage and jumbotron then. Ricketts is foolish in many ways, but not with money.
It is hard to believe Ricketts is still playing politics. His original plan was to have Wrigley remodel complete by 2014 to celebrate 100 years and have an all star game that season. Now instead of having the project complete they won't even start until 2014.
It isn't hard to believe. He wants the revenue generators first and is afraid if he puts them up, he is going to be sued by the rooftop owners. If that happens, do they force him to take the jumbotron down? Do they force him to give millions of dollars to the rooftop owners? No clue, but it certainly seems like a legitimate concern. I assume the Jumbotron and signage will go up this offseason, with other rennovations put off another year. That is certainly the more profitable way to do it.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:29 AM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: So the rooftop owners are now holding up $500,000 million of union labor. This will not last long. hahaha

They lasted this long, I don't think these people will ever give it up. Not until the Cubs take the moving trucks out and head on out to Rosement. Then they watch their prime real estate tank.
Well, rooftop owners really have no other option. Most of them have a bundle in their buildings. I can see their points, for some of them its their lives. At this point, I have no sympathy for them. I did when the Tribune blocked their view, I think most Cub fans did. But that has changed, especially when they think they own a part of the Cubs.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:38 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: So the rooftop owners are now holding up $500,000 million of union labor. This will not last long. hahaha

They lasted this long, I don't think these people will ever give it up. Not until the Cubs take the moving trucks out and head on out to Rosement. Then they watch their prime real estate tank.
Well, rooftop owners really have no other option. Most of them have a bundle in their buildings. I can see their points, for some of them its their lives. At this point, I have no sympathy for them. I did when the Tribune blocked their view, I think most Cub fans did. But that has changed, especially when they think they own a part of the Cubs.
I had zero sympathy for them when the Tribune blocked their views. They were ambitious parasites that put up bleachers and sold tickets for a product they didn't pay for and they had no rights to.

Kenney stupidly legitimized them in exchange for a small cut of their profits. More stupidly, he allowed language into the contract saying that they would not block the rooftop views with building alterations [so I have heard. I have not seen the actual contract]. Now, the rooftop owners have a contract and, sadly, legal standing and a bit of a point.

Granted, I still have zero sympathy for them; they are now just legalized parasites that are desperately fighting to suck as much money for as long as they can.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 11:45 AM

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I still don't see the thrill of sitting 600 feet from home plate. You go to Wrigley, and watch the game from across the street. I don't get it.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 12:19 PM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: I still don't see the thrill of sitting 600 feet from home plate. You go to Wrigley, and watch the game from across the street. I don't get it.

I gone a few times for work. The open bar and food is the only qualities that are really worth it to me. The view is cool until the game starts. Then you want to go inside and watch the game on TV.
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