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And the Cubs next manager will be......

Posted: 10/1/2013 11:24 AM

And the Cubs next manager will be...... 


Let's see how fast we can derail this one. Cashman just said Yankees are in negotiations with Girardi. If he resigns with Yankees, who do you think Cubs should target ?
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Posted: 10/1/2013 11:32 AM

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Brad Ausmus by all accounts is a very smart guy and a former catcher.  If he had any experience whatsoever, I'd say him.  Alas, he doesn't.  In Theo's speech he again listed that as a requirement.  Can't think of anyone besides the usual suspects at the moment.  I hear Scoscia is willing to listen.

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Posted: 10/1/2013 12:04 PM

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Theo's preference - Girardi.

Fallback #1 - Scioscia.
Fallback #2 - Dave Martinez.
Fallback #3 - Matt Williams.

By all means, flame away...
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Posted: 10/1/2013 12:27 PM

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If it is not Girardi, then there may be a wait to see if Scioscia gets let go from the Angels. If he does not, I think the next logical candidate (based on the 'criteria' from Theo) would be Sandy Alomar, Jr. (experience as a catching instructor, 1st base coach, bench coach under Francona & Acta, and an interim manager), Charlie Manuel (as a 2-year contracted 'Phase 2' manager with 1,000 wins under his belt, 6 first place finishes, 2 pennants, and a WS ring), or Willie Randolph [6 time All-Star, 2 WS rings, & an .OBP machine as a player (.373 career .OBP); 4 years managing in a large market (2nd place for Manager of the Year in 2006); experience as a bench coach and 3rd base coach under Macha and Showalter; WBC experience]. A lot will depend on what they're looking for in terms of make-up and if they are wanting a guy for the next decade or the next phase of development. 

If I had to lay a wager, and it wasn't Girardi (I think everyone's first choice), I would put my money on Sandy Alomar, Jr. (Theo & the Gang banking on 'hungry' + 'smart' = wins), but I think Willie Randolph would be the smarter (safer) choice for setting habits and building a culture of winning. We'll see... besides Girardi, there aren't a slew of top-tier candidates for manager available this off-season.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 10/1/2013 12:44 PM

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I don't think it will be Scioscia due to his contract and he is more old school and less into the sabermetrics. He is signed to a ten-year contract that continues through 2018, with salaries of $6MM annually from 2016 through 2018. So if the Angels were to fire Scioscia, they would have to eat the remainder of that contract.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 12:47 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: I don't think it will be Scioscia due to his contract and he is more old school and less into the sabermetrics. He is signed to a ten-year contract that continues through 2018, with salaries of $6MM annually from 2016 through 2018. So if the Angels were to fire Scioscia, they would have to eat the remainder of that contract.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 12:49 PM

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Does Dave Martinez's history with the organization rule him out? He seems like a pretty solid candidate.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 12:56 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: I don't think it will be Scioscia due to his contract and he is more old school and less into the sabermetrics. He is signed to a ten-year contract that continues through 2018, with salaries of $6MM annually from 2016 through 2018. So if the Angels were to fire Scioscia, they would have to eat the remainder of that contract.
I might be wrong, but generally if the fired coach/manager gets a new job his salary going forward is deducted from the buyout. For example, if the Cubs signed Scioscia for 5/$25m the Angels would then be on the hook for only $1m/yr. The Angels know it's a pretty good bet that Scioscia would manage again even if they whack him, so I don't think that they'd expect to eat that entire $25m or even a large hunk of it.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:04 PM

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Possible Theo/Red Sox ties are Dave Roberts, John Valentin and Jason Varitek.

Sandy Alomar and Mike Maddux will probably get a look as well.

Brett Butler is also an interesting name who could soon be getting a MLB job. I was a fan of his on MLB2 on Nintendo in the late 80's, bunt single machine. :) He is a guy that is supposedly good with developing players.

I think there are a lot of solid candidates out there which made this Sveum decision a really easy one for Theo IMO.
"There are two kinds of people in the world, those with a rope around the neck and the people who have the job of doing the cutting."-Tuco

Last edited 10/1/2013 2:03 PM by ILLINIrob83

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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:06 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: I don't think it will be Scioscia due to his contract and he is more old school and less into the sabermetrics. He is signed to a ten-year contract that continues through 2018, with salaries of $6MM annually from 2016 through 2018. So if the Angels were to fire Scioscia, they would have to eat the remainder of that contract.
I might be wrong, but generally if the fired coach/manager gets a new job his salary going forward is deducted from the buyout. For example, if the Cubs signed Scioscia for 5/$25m the Angels would then be on the hook for only $1m/yr. The Angels know it's a pretty good bet that Scioscia would manage again even if they whack him, so I don't think that they'd expect to eat that entire $25m or even a large hunk of it.
Rosenthal had reported he did not like using the statistical data preperaed by the GM and his staff. I just don't think he is a fit and don't see the Cubs paying 5 million a year for a manager at this stage of the build/rebuld/tear down.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:21 PM

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There are some good names in here.  I'm going to annoy 2007 by not naming a favorite after Girardi.  But I'm going to agree with him that Scioscia doesn't seem like the best fit.

I don't see Ausmus as a viable candidate for manager but he did work with Hoyer in SD so he could be someone they bring in for another role.

I have to wonder if Cashman meeting with Girardi and his people isn't a bit for show and an opportunity for everyone to save face and part ways, along with giving Girardi permission to speak with other teams.  It might be legit but I have to wonder.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:33 PM

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SPOONER wrote: There are some good names in here.  I'm going to annoy 2007 by not naming a favorite after Girardi.  But I'm going to agree with him that Scioscia doesn't seem like the best fit.

I don't see Ausmus as a viable candidate for manager but he did work with Hoyer in SD so he could be someone they bring in for another role.

I have to wonder if Cashman meeting with Girardi and his people isn't a bit for show and an opportunity for everyone to save face and part ways, along with giving Girardi permission to speak with other teams.  It might be legit but I have to wonder.
You can spin the Giraradi story either way. Sounds like some kind of a decision is coming tomorrow, but then again, I'm spinning those Cashman comments. He said he would know more tomorrow. :)

From Theo's comments yesterday leadership and player development are the two qualities they are looking for. IMO MLB managerial experience candidates have a leg on competition but he left the door open for no MLB experience, mentioned it twice in presser.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:36 PM

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Epstein did leave himself an opening to hire Ausmus if he wanted. He listed managerial experience as a strong desire, but said that failing at that, the candidate must be a strong leader. Ausmus is that. So he is a dark horse candidate maybe, but not eliminated.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:50 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote: Epstein did leave himself an opening to hire Ausmus if he wanted. He listed managerial experience as a strong desire, but said that failing at that, the candidate must be a strong leader. Ausmus is that. So he is a dark horse candidate maybe, but not eliminated.
I agree with that, and think that Mike Maddux might be a strong candidate for the same reason, provided he is now willing to re-locate (and perhaps even bring along his brother).
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Posted: 10/1/2013 1:53 PM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: Let's see how fast we can derail this one. Cashman just said Yankees are in negotiations with Girardi. If he resigns with Yankees, who do you think Cubs should target ?
The Yankees want Girardi, but does Giardi want the Yankees? I would hardly say that they are in negotiations with Girardi.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:04 PM

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They can't FORMALLY be in negotiations with Girardi until after October 31st when his contract with the Yankees expires.  What will ensue either amounts to pundit speculation, delaying tactics on the part of Girardi's representatives (or him), or the Yankees signing Girardi to healthy raise with guarantees of improving the club (perhaps delaying that whole 'below $189M payroll' goal of the Steinbrenners).

Speaking of pundit speculation, here's a good one: http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs...o-keep-girardi/

Cheers!

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:32 PM

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mindbodyspirit wrote: They can't FORMALLY be in negotiations with Girardi until after October 31st when his contract with the Yankees expires.  What will ensue either amounts to pundit speculation, delaying tactics on the part of Girardi's representatives (or him), or the Yankees signing Girardi to healthy raise with guarantees of improving the club (perhaps delaying that whole 'below $189M payroll' goal of the Steinbrenners).

Speaking of pundit speculation, here's a good one: http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs...o-keep-girardi/

Cheers!
Don't they just need the Yankees permission to negotiate with Girardi ?
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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:38 PM

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Ken Rosenthal @ Ken_Rosenthal

As # Cubs’ chances for Girardi seemingly diminish, here is one name to keep in mind: # Padres assistant GM and former # Dbacks mgr A.J. Hinch.

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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:45 PM

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So you are all out of your own ideas and have to use others. great. I give up.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:47 PM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: So you are all out of your own ideas and have to use others. great. I give up.

I also give up - Isn't this a place to share information ?
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