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Front Office Egos....or leaks...

Posted: 6/27/2013 8:32 AM

Front Office Egos....or leaks... 


I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 8:45 AM

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They are just being honest, which is different and a nice change.  They didn't say Marmol was a distraction, they said every time he would throw a ball or two and get booed that THAT was a distraction, what is so wrong about saying that?

You want them to stay quiet on everything in hopes that some GM in major league baseball can't see what us fans can see?  It's not like hearing about Marmol's appearances being distracting reduced his trade value, his performance took care of that.

I actually think it will have the reverse effect you think, if you were a player would you rather your front office act like all is great or just speak freely and honestly?  Hell this front office has already came out and said that Soriano has more value than just performance due to his leadership, how does that make him look bad?




The real problem you have is with the twitter world.  Twitter and sports reporters have turned the information age back because if they hear something from somebody that knows somebody that knew something they tweet it and people take the rumor as final word.  Agents leak a lot of the information that comes out to help their player just keep that in mind.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 9:25 AM

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I'm not questioning the honesty...just the old saying "if you don't have anything good to say, say nothing at all" should apply.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 9:45 AM

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i'm not sure the timeline of statements, but here's what i know:

Stewart had his Twitter meltdown. Theo responded.

Marmol blamed the fans for his struggles. Jed responded.



i don't mind it one bit.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 9:50 AM

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The Cubs have always been drama queens.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 10:52 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
A couple trades that were close to completion were leaked maybe by the player or players agent or someone in the media. The majority of trade discussions and other potential free agent signings never make it to the public. This is not a problem and it seems the front office does a good job keeping rumors internal.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 10:54 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
Marmol and Stewart had zero trade value based on on-the-field results. Attempts to portrait them as character guys wasn't going to change that.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 10:56 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
A couple trades that were close to completion were leaked maybe by the player or players agent or someone in the media. The majority of trade discussions and other potential free agent signings never make it to the public. This is not a problem and it seems the front office does a good job keeping rumors internal.
this is not tongue-in-cheek. but kuddos for making what might just be your first positive statement about the current front office.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 1:03 PM

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HolyMackeral wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
Marmol and Stewart had zero trade value based on on-the-field results. Attempts to portrait them as character guys wasn't going to change that.
Marmol will find a home pretty quickly...his trade value was the size of his contract, not his performance. He has comparable stats to the following players..

Heath Bell
Fernando Rodney
Brad Lidge

As we all know, these guys were better set up men than closers..we also all knew that Marmol's mental makeup was not that of a closer.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 2:21 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
It's like that for most teams. Players are just more vocal today. They have their say ( like Stewart). Bloggers and regional sportswriters do a  lot of speculation as do other GMs ( unnamed sources, of course)
And all of it finds a home on twitter. and then come the responses. It's just the times and I doubt there's anything any front office can do as long as we have the 1st amendment.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 2:22 PM

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HolyMackeral wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
Marmol and Stewart had zero trade value based on on-the-field results. Attempts to portrait them as character guys wasn't going to change that.
+1.  Lack of on field performance completely overwhelmed portraying them as character guys.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 2:37 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:
HolyMackeral wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
Marmol and Stewart had zero trade value based on on-the-field results. Attempts to portrait them as character guys wasn't going to change that.
Marmol will find a home pretty quickly...his trade value was the size of his contract, not his performance. He has comparable stats to the following players..

Heath Bell
Fernando Rodney
Brad Lidge

As we all know, these guys were better set up men than closers..we also all knew that Marmol's mental makeup was not that of a closer.
The Cubs FO has shown a willingness to eat contracts if a prospect can be had. They were shopping him...........
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Posted: 6/27/2013 4:24 PM

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Out of all things to complain, lets complain about front office leaks.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 5:23 PM

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dancingwithgoats wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote: I'm starting to get real tired of seeing negative stuff leaked about players when your trying to rebuild an organization. It seems that this stuff gets leaked in the midst of trying to trade these guys and thus diminishes their value and make the Cubs look bad. The latest was the Marmol "became a distraction" in the clubhouse, don't tell me that every GM didn't hear that from Theo, Jed or others in the front office. The Stewart thing became blown out of control, Dempster issues and even Soriano trade attempts. I think Theo and Jed need to put a GAG order on internal information or issues to the people reporting to them. I'm not saying that Theo and Jed are the direct cause...but someone needs to find the people that leak this stuff, because it effects this clubs image and will make it harder to attract free agents in the future.
It's like that for most teams. Players are just more vocal today. They have their say ( like Stewart). Bloggers and regional sportswriters do a  lot of speculation as do other GMs ( unnamed sources, of course)
And all of it finds a home on twitter. and then come the responses. It's just the times and I doubt there's anything any front office can do as long as we have the 1st amendment.
+1.  The Yankees recently had a Stewart situation with A-Rod.
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Posted: 6/28/2013 7:43 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote: +1.  The Yankees recently had a Stewart situation with A-Rod.

You said it and the A-Rod situation just shows you that can always be worse. The Stewart situation blows but in the end it's going to cost the Cubs what, a couple million at most. Meanwhile the Yankees want out of the A-Rod contract which is costing them hundreds of millions.
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