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2014 free agents

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Posted: 6/24/2013 3:45 PM

2014 free agents 


Any of these players of interest ?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...ree-agents.html
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Posted: 6/24/2013 3:52 PM

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Nothing like posting a list that was last updated over a month for something that won't happen for a few months and easily could been posted on the trade thread or something.

Triple Crown threat Cubs2007 is.
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Posted: 6/24/2013 4:21 PM

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Bring back Mark DeRosa! (HAHA he's listed in LF, RF and 3B)

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Posted: 6/24/2013 4:22 PM

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mike04gt wrote: Bring back Mark DeRosa! (HAHA he's listed in LF, RF and 3B)

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And Hank White, he is listed on there as well. biggrin
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Posted: 6/24/2013 4:26 PM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote: Nothing like posting a list that was last updated over a month for something that won't happen for a few months and easily could been posted on the trade thread or something.

Triple Crown threat Cubs2007 is.
If the Cubs are sellers they will need to replace the players traded. Wouldn't want to make you think and add a constructive idea instead of your childish posts.

If they can trade 1 or more of Dejesus, Schierholtz or Soriano - will need an OF

Any interest in Choo, Pence or Ellsbury ?

Last edited 6/24/2013 4:38 PM by cubs2007

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Posted: 6/24/2013 5:38 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote: Nothing like posting a list that was last updated over a month for something that won't happen for a few months and easily could been posted on the trade thread or something.

Triple Crown threat Cubs2007 is.
If the Cubs are sellers they will need to replace the players traded. Wouldn't want to make you think and add a constructive idea instead of your childish posts.

If they can trade 1 or more of Dejesus, Schierholtz or Soriano - will need an OF

Any interest in Choo, Pence or Ellsbury ?
Then make it here nutball:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=11636446

Besides anything you say now that doesn't workout you will deny and lie about it which will a waste some poor soul's time and life away.

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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:19 PM

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Choo would look good in the Cubs OF.  Solid defense, high OBP, can bat at the top or the middle of the order.

Last edited 6/24/2013 7:20 PM by doughboy981

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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:58 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote: Nothing like posting a list that was last updated over a month for something that won't happen for a few months and easily could been posted on the trade thread or something.

Triple Crown threat Cubs2007 is.
If the Cubs are sellers they will need to replace the players traded. Wouldn't want to make you think and add a constructive idea instead of your childish posts.

If they can trade 1 or more of Dejesus, Schierholtz or Soriano - will need an OF

Any interest in Choo, Pence or Ellsbury ?
I look for 2014 to be like the calm before the storm...an audition year so to speak, expecting to see B. Jackson, Junior Lake, Szczur, Logan Watkins all take a shot somewhere in the OF...Ryan Sweeney likely will be in the mix...but I think Ellsbury would be a nice pickup for the next 2-3 years or longer if some of our prospects dont pan out
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Posted: 6/25/2013 10:13 AM

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wrigleykid wrote:
I look for 2014 to be like the calm before the storm...an audition year so to speak, expecting to see B. Jackson, Junior Lake, Szczur, Logan Watkins all take a shot somewhere in the OF...Ryan Sweeney likely will be in the mix...but I think Ellsbury would be a nice pickup for the next 2-3 years or longer if some of our prospects dont pan out
Logan Watkins is a 2b - he may be a utility type player
Junior Lake - still looking for a defensive position for him - maybe he becomes a Derosa type filling in at multiple positions
Jackson & Szczur are tracking as 4th OF candidates

You mention 2014 as an audition year but I have read that same comment for the past few years. The front office seems to prefer finding "value" players to fill roles over giving to prospects to audition.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 11:18 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
wrigleykid wrote:
I look for 2014 to be like the calm before the storm...an audition year so to speak, expecting to see B. Jackson, Junior Lake, Szczur, Logan Watkins all take a shot somewhere in the OF...Ryan Sweeney likely will be in the mix...but I think Ellsbury would be a nice pickup for the next 2-3 years or longer if some of our prospects dont pan out
Logan Watkins is a 2b - he may be a utility type player
Junior Lake - still looking for a defensive position for him - maybe he becomes a Derosa type filling in at multiple positions
Jackson & Szczur are tracking as 4th OF candidates

You mention 2014 as an audition year but I have read that same comment for the past few years. The front office seems to prefer finding "value" players to fill roles over giving to prospects to audition.
That is one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is to not promote players until they are ready. Consider the two approaches:
  • Option 1. They play Vitters & Jackson all year. They never adjust. At the end of the year, what have you gained? You don't know that they will never be good. You just know they weren't ready, they were overmatched and you crushed their confidence. Your team likely will be terrible, so you do get the improved draft slot, but that's it.

  • Option 2. They play the stopgaps. The stopgaps do what they do. Some of them perform well, and you can either extend them to fill a longer-term role or else you can trade them for prospects. You flip enough of them at the trade deadline to upgrade your prospect pool, you free up spots to give shots on the roster for those that have earned it, and your team likely nosedives in the second half, giving a good draft slot. This option also gives a higher possibility that the team will be a contender, and if that happens you can adjust from there.

Seems like a no-brainer to go with Option 2. I understand if we had some superstar in AA or AAA that wasn't being given a shot because he was blocked by a stopgap, but I'm not sure who that would be. Jackson isn't earning anything. In his limited sample size, Lake looks good, and I could see him getting a shot somewhere with the Cubs after some trades are made. Logan Watkins? I suppose there is a chance he outhits Barney, but he certainly isn't going to outfield him. I would like to see Arismendy Alcantara moved up...to AAA. I'm guessing that may happen in the next month or so. Again, just a guess there.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 11:24 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
wrigleykid wrote:
I look for 2014 to be like the calm before the storm...an audition year so to speak, expecting to see B. Jackson, Junior Lake, Szczur, Logan Watkins all take a shot somewhere in the OF...Ryan Sweeney likely will be in the mix...but I think Ellsbury would be a nice pickup for the next 2-3 years or longer if some of our prospects dont pan out
Logan Watkins is a 2b - he may be a utility type player
Junior Lake - still looking for a defensive position for him - maybe he becomes a Derosa type filling in at multiple positions
Jackson & Szczur are tracking as 4th OF candidates

You mention 2014 as an audition year but I have read that same comment for the past few years. The front office seems to prefer finding "value" players to fill roles over giving to prospects to audition.
That is one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is to not promote players until they are ready. Consider the two approaches:
  • Option 1. They play Vitters & Jackson all year. They never adjust. At the end of the year, what have you gained? You don't know that they will never be good. You just know they weren't ready, they were overmatched and you crushed their confidence. Your team likely will be terrible, so you do get the improved draft slot, but that's it.

  • Option 2. They play the stopgaps. The stopgaps do what they do. Some of them perform well, and you can either extend them to fill a longer-term role or else you can trade them for prospects. You flip enough of them at the trade deadline to upgrade your prospect pool, you free up spots to give shots on the roster for those that have earned it, and your team likely nosedives in the second half, giving a good draft slot. This option also gives a higher possibility that the team will be a contender, and if that happens you can adjust from there.

Seems like a no-brainer to go with Option 2. I understand if we had some superstar in AA or AAA that wasn't being given a shot because he was blocked by a stopgap, but I'm not sure who that would be. Jackson isn't earning anything. In his limited sample size, Lake looks good, and I could see him getting a shot somewhere with the Cubs after some trades are made. Logan Watkins? I suppose there is a chance he outhits Barney, but he certainly isn't going to outfield him. I would like to see Arismendy Alcantara moved up...to AAA. I'm guessing that may happen in the next month or so. Again, just a guess there.
Not all prospects that initially fail at the major league level have their confidence crushed. This seems to be the go to response when you prefer not to promote prospects early.

Last edited 6/25/2013 12:57 PM by cubs2007

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Posted: 6/25/2013 12:10 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
wrigleykid wrote:
I look for 2014 to be like the calm before the storm...an audition year so to speak, expecting to see B. Jackson, Junior Lake, Szczur, Logan Watkins all take a shot somewhere in the OF...Ryan Sweeney likely will be in the mix...but I think Ellsbury would be a nice pickup for the next 2-3 years or longer if some of our prospects dont pan out
Logan Watkins is a 2b - he may be a utility type player
Junior Lake - still looking for a defensive position for him - maybe he becomes a Derosa type filling in at multiple positions
Jackson & Szczur are tracking as 4th OF candidates

You mention 2014 as an audition year but I have read that same comment for the past few years. The front office seems to prefer finding "value" players to fill roles over giving to prospects to audition.
this year should be different...for the first time in a long time the cubs will have no one in their lineup that has a huge contract that isnt a core player...no more obligations to run someone out there based on his contract...this is where the tide starts to turn RF,CF, LF, 2B, 3B are all up for grabs..u can sign vets to small contracts and still give ur prospects a chance to prove themselves.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 12:19 PM

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You don't need to wait until 2014 - there will be a handful of players auditioning by the end of this season. Last season a few guys got chances but played their way out of the majors. That's what happens with prospects.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 7:46 PM

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tautology wrote: You don't need to wait until 2014 - there will be a handful of players auditioning by the end of this season. Last season a few guys got chances but played their way out of the majors. That's what happens with prospects.
ur right the auditioning will begin soon enough...then when the year ends we will see where we still need filler...or want to take a chance on an Ellsbury type player...as far as Schierholtz...if this was the 2014 deadline i might say keep him...next year my mindset will start to change and i wont be trying to trade major league talent for prospects unless theres some kind of gaurantee it wont hurt us in 2015...but for now we need to keep stocking the farm and if the deals good u pull the trigger
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