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DH or no DH

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Posted: 4/5/2013 8:53 AM

DH or no DH 


http://www.usatoday.com/story/...league/2051665/

I would like the NL to stay as is with no DH
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:27 AM

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The rule should be universal since there is interleague play.  I agree, there should be NO DH, but I don't think it's going away.  If it's not going away, the NL should just adopt the DH rule.

In interleague play, the NL teams are at a pretty big disadvantage.  AL teams pay millions for a DH, while the NL teams have a bench player as a DH (or they have to call some one up for those games).
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:51 AM

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Vogelbach
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:59 AM

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Why not Rizzo?
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:02 AM

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Better question, why would you develop anyone to be a DH? I've never heard of an American League team doing this?
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:23 AM

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no DH.

however, it's the the NL's advantage head-to-head, i think.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:29 AM

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I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:33 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:43 AM

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cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
+1

Nothing more to add, except I'm NOT in favor of the DH in the N.L. in the future. It diminishes the strategy of the game & makes the 3-run HR more important than balanced play... not a fan, never have been.

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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:56 AM

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mindbodyspirit wrote:
cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
+1

Nothing more to add, except I'm NOT in favor of the DH in the N.L. in the future. It diminishes the strategy of the game & makes the 3-run HR more important than balanced play... not a fan, never have been.
the double switch would basically disappear and that is one of the most strategic moves in the game. would hate to lose that.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:10 AM

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pitch hitters would basically be diminished as well.  The strategy part of it is the main problem I would have with the NL adopting the DH.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:13 AM

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I hate the DH. 

My stance on it; even as a kid, pitchers would take their turn hitting.  They should all be forced to play both sides of the game.

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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:30 AM

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Okay, I'll be that guy.

I find it incredibly stupid that pitchers are forced to bat when the game itself places absolutely zero value on a pitcher's ability to hit. When a team is deciding to draft or sign a pitcher, his offensive ability does not factor into the conversation at all. It would be forcing like all quarterbacks to also kick. Nobody cares about it in football because football has always had specialized roles and that's what everybody knows. Baseball hasn't, so therefore people are resistant to change what they've grown up with. Honestly though, is it really going to get your juices flowing when Dave Sappelt pinch hits and Shawn Camp comes into pitch? Holy crap, Camp is now in the 6th spot in the lineup!! GENIUS MOVE!! Come on. Is that enough of a trade off to have to watch Edwin Jackson and his .462 career OPS bat 3 times a game?
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:37 AM

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cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
It is not a push for the AL home. They have 5-10 million dollar players getting 4-5 AB's every day. The NL then rolls out a b/u infielder or outfielder to match the DH. That is a huge AL advantage. The AL has won many more games. There is a reason.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:42 AM

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absolutebadger wrote:
cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
It is not a push for the AL home. They have 5-10 million dollar players getting 4-5 AB's every day. The NL then rolls out a b/u infielder or outfielder to match the DH. That is a huge AL advantage. The AL has won many more games. There is a reason.
Exactly.  And NL home games aren't really an advantage.  Greg Maddux was a decent hitting pitcher and his career OBP was under .200.  Pitchers suck at hitting.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:47 AM

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MikeNesterNR wrote: Better question, why would you develop anyone to be a DH? I've never heard of an American League team doing this?

I don't think they do.  They just go out and get an established slugger on the market, even a position player, and make him the DH if they're willing.  That's why you see some AL teams with two career first basemen and such.  The NL can't and doesn't work that way.  Or they have a guy like Vogelbach in their system.  Some DH's genuinely could never field adequately.  To me it sounds like the equivalent of relief pitchers.  If they were good in all facets (have more than two above average pitches and are durable) they'd be starters.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:50 AM

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absolutebadger wrote:
cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
It is not a push for the AL home. They have 5-10 million dollar players getting 4-5 AB's every day. The NL then rolls out a b/u infielder or outfielder to match the DH. That is a huge AL advantage. The AL has won many more games. There is a reason.
+1. The AL teams can sign steroid (or whatever) gorillas that are too slow or bulky to field any position for their DH spot. The one requirement is that they hit. In the NL, they need their guys to be more versatile and hence won't carry such a guy...and even if they did, he would get one pinch-hit AB per game and not the regular playing time the AL guy did and hence likely will not hit as well.

On the NL side, the NL should have the advantage in that (1)their pitchers have more practice hitting and (2)many AL teams have a lot of money tied up in that DH guy, who can't play in the NL park where he would need to field. This often doesn't play out, however, I think because the AL team payrolls tend to be higher overall.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 11:59 AM

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goblue31 wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
MikeNesterNR wrote: I've never understood the advantage thing. hurts both teams. AL pitchers never hit, NL 25-man roster not designed for DH
NL Home -- Advantage NL (for reason you named)

AL Home -- Push (NL doesn't have to put bat in pitcher's hand - bat goes to actual hitter; no change for AL)
It is not a push for the AL home. They have 5-10 million dollar players getting 4-5 AB's every day. The NL then rolls out a b/u infielder or outfielder to match the DH. That is a huge AL advantage. The AL has won many more games. There is a reason.
Exactly.  And NL home games aren't really an advantage.  Greg Maddux was a decent hitting pitcher and his career OBP was under .200.  Pitchers suck at hitting.

I have to agree with this.  NL pitchers in general are not so great with the bat that it offsets the advantage that AL teams have in their parks with their regular DH's.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 1:16 PM

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I also felt you need to be able to field a position along with being a hitter. You are not a complete player if you only are sitting on the bench waiting to hit. A baseball player needs to be able to field, throw and play a total all around game.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 2:29 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: Okay, I'll be that guy.

I find it incredibly stupid that pitchers are forced to bat when the game itself places absolutely zero value on a pitcher's ability to hit. When a team is deciding to draft or sign a pitcher, his offensive ability does not factor into the conversation at all. It would be forcing like all quarterbacks to also kick. Nobody cares about it in football because football has always had specialized roles and that's what everybody knows. Baseball hasn't, so therefore people are resistant to change what they've grown up with. Honestly though, is it really going to get your juices flowing when Dave Sappelt pinch hits and Shawn Camp comes into pitch? Holy crap, Camp is now in the 6th spot in the lineup!! GENIUS MOVE!! Come on. Is that enough of a trade off to have to watch Edwin Jackson and his .462 career OPS bat 3 times a game?
I'm with you.  Having a DH is better for baseball.  Nobody wants to see a pitcher embarrass himself and be an automatic out 90+% of the time.  Things like this are why baseball has fallen in popularity, refusing to adapt and change with the times.  I would MUCH rather see a Prince Fielder at bat who can jack one at any given time or someone who wreaks havoc on the basepaths when he gets on.  Yeah you don't want to change so much that you don't even recognize the game you love, but this is a minor change.  It's already being done on half the teams.
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