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Mark Appel

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Posted: 3/11/2013 2:26 PM

Mark Appel 


Could be our #1 pick.

Phil Rogers @ ChiTribRogers Mark Appel is overmatching hitters as a Stanford senior. Two unearned runs made him losing pitcher vs; UNLV but he struck out 15 in 7 IP.

Phil Rogers @ ChiTribRogers In Appel's last three starts, he has 40 strikeouts, 3 walks and 10 hits allowed over 25 innings. Will Houston bypass him 2 drafts in a row?

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Posted: 3/11/2013 5:25 PM

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Woah, he's missing bats now.  Combine that with his reputation as a workhorse and his mound presence and I wouldn't mind if the Cubs take him.
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Posted: 3/11/2013 7:49 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: Woah, he's missing bats now.  Combine that with his reputation as a workhorse and his mound presence and I wouldn't mind if the Cubs take him.
Yeah, I thought the same thing.  The other bonus of Appel vs. Manaea is that Appel's a senior; he and Bora$ can hold out until their blue in the face(s) and they have no leverage (other than going to the Northern League or Japan, Taiwan, etc.)  Manaea can always say F-you and go back to glamorous Terre Haute for another year.  I know that the mantra is always to pick the BPA and not draft for need, but I'd really like to get one of these two guys rather than wait 4 years for a high-schooler to develop.  Guess we'll have to wait to find out... noidea
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Posted: 3/12/2013 8:11 AM

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The one knock on Appel previously was that he was never just flat out dominant, so you could argue he projected more as a mid rotation starter versus an ace, but he appears to be changing that now. With as much experience as he has, his path to the majors is going to be very short.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 8:13 AM

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Listening to the front office this offseason it sounds like they are leaning to picking a positional player at #2 that they feel has a greater chance to succeed then load up on pitching in future rounds.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:10 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: Listening to the front office this offseason it sounds like they are leaning to picking a positional player at #2 that they feel has a greater chance to succeed then load up on pitching in future rounds.

I saw one article with a poorly written headline/slant stating this but perhaps I missed some others.  Are there other articles with better info/quotes that state this?  It is possible there are and I just didn't read them.

I don't see this front office as the type to take say the 10th best player at #2 because they are hell bent on a position player.  They will take the best guy on the board, IMHO.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 10:35 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: Listening to the front office this offseason it sounds like they are leaning to picking a positional player at #2 that they feel has a greater chance to succeed then load up on pitching in future rounds.
I heard that too...they could honestly feel that way, or on the other hand they could be B.S.-ing as to not tip their hand.  Guess we'll find out on draft day...
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Posted: 3/12/2013 12:20 PM

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Well, Theo said there is more risk with pitchers at the top of the draft than with position players.  From what I recall it had to do with risk of injury rather than risk of not living up to potential.  Maybe I'm wrong on that.  I would hope injury risk doesn't factor into talent evaluation.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 12:43 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: Well, Theo said there is more risk with pitchers at the top of the draft than with position players.  From what I recall it had to do with risk of injury rather than risk of not living up to potential.  Maybe I'm wrong on that.  I would hope injury risk doesn't factor into talent evaluation.
Yeah, and he also said that "historically" position players have been better bets than pitchers at the top of drafts...and I think you're right that injuries and the inherent fragility of young arms does factor into his thinking.  Does that mean that he wouldn't have grabbed Strasburg with the #1 overall pick?  Hell, no--he's just talking percentages.  For me, I'd say that drafting BPA makes sense, but when you have an organization begging for top-end pitching talent that has to be taken into account.  Austin Meadows may well be a stud for someone in 2017, but given the choice I'd take a guy who you could feasibly project into the 2014 starting rotation.  But hey, that's just me...and I'm just a middle-aged goof who takes X-Rays for a living :)
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Posted: 3/12/2013 12:58 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote: Well, Theo said there is more risk with pitchers at the top of the draft than with position players.  From what I recall it had to do with risk of injury rather than risk of not living up to potential.  Maybe I'm wrong on that.  I would hope injury risk doesn't factor into talent evaluation.
Yeah, and he also said that "historically" position players have been better bets than pitchers at the top of drafts...and I think you're right that injuries and the inherent fragility of young arms does factor into his thinking.  Does that mean that he wouldn't have grabbed Strasburg with the #1 overall pick?  Hell, no--he's just talking percentages.  For me, I'd say that drafting BPA makes sense, but when you have an organization begging for top-end pitching talent that has to be taken into account.  Austin Meadows may well be a stud for someone in 2017, but given the choice I'd take a guy who you could feasibly project into the 2014 starting rotation.  But hey, that's just me...and I'm just a middle-aged goof who takes X-Rays for a living :)
It's not just you.  I agree with everything you said.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 8:26 PM

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Jim Callis @ jimcallisBA Throwing very well, still behind Appel & Manaea. @ clarkj79 : Any chance Jon Gray puts himself in contention for # Cubs at No. 2?
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:31 PM

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RAMBLE wrote: Jim Callis @ jimcallisBA Throwing very well, still behind Appel & Manaea. @ clarkj79 : Any chance Jon Gray puts himself in contention for # Cubs at No. 2?
Can't say I'd heard much about Gray until you mentioned him, but here he is in action against UCLA last week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpmOv_EhynI

Btw, the gun readings shown on the video might have been a bit hot--I've seen other people list his velocity during this game as 94-98.  Still, not to shabby!  Btw, he threw 7 innings of shutout ball against UCLA and fanned 8 while allowing just 5 hits.  Gotta say I'm impressed.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 11:03 AM

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Jim Callis @ jimcallisBA Tossup. Would go with Appel right now. @ cubsman1980 : Jim do you like Appel or Manaea better? # mlbdraft
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Posted: 3/13/2013 11:23 AM

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One Cubs’ evaluator told Jim Bowden that if right-handed pitcher Mark Appel is sitting there at No. 2 in this year’s draft, he won’t get by the Cubs.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 11:56 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: One Cubs’ evaluator told Jim Bowden that if right-handed pitcher Mark Appel is sitting there at No. 2 in this year’s draft, he won’t get by the Cubs.

Great to know they are interested, but I have a feeling he won't get past the Astros.  frown

If that's the case, I hope they're taking a long hard look at Manaea.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:19 PM

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I don't know if Jonathan Crawford was ever in play as high as #2, but he's pitching himself right out of the first round so far this year.  He just hasn't been very good.  Maybe he'll fall to the Cubs in the 2nd at #41.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:25 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: One Cubs’ evaluator told Jim Bowden that if right-handed pitcher Mark Appel is sitting there at No. 2 in this year’s draft, he won’t get by the Cubs.

Great to know they are interested, but I have a feeling he won't get past the Astros.  frown

If that's the case, I hope they're taking a long hard look at Manaea.
I'm hoping that Houston goes BPA and decides on Meadows.  They're further away from contention than the Cubs and can wait years for an 18-year old to develop.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 7:50 AM

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The best thing is that both Appel and Manea are pitching well this year.  Don't know if Gray can keep up the pace.


Baez has "top-shelf bat speed," according to one National League scout who recently saw him play. "I haven't seen that type of bat speed this year outside of the big leagues. It's pure, unadulterated, just violent bat-speed."

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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:55 AM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: One Cubs’ evaluator told Jim Bowden that if right-handed pitcher Mark Appel is sitting there at No. 2 in this year’s draft, he won’t get by the Cubs.

Great to know they are interested, but I have a feeling he won't get past the Astros.  frown

If that's the case, I hope they're taking a long hard look at Manaea.
I'm hoping that Houston goes BPA and decides on Meadows.  They're further away from contention than the Cubs and can wait years for an 18-year old to develop.

Good point.  Some mocks have them picking Meadows.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:59 AM

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mhuml32 wrote: The best thing is that both Appel and Manea are pitching well this year.  Don't know if Gray can keep up the pace.

It was reported that they were recently scouting Stanek, great stuff apparently but I'd pass on him because he's an injury waiting to happen and profiles as a reliever.  You're right about Appel and Manaea.  The great thing is that one or the other is there for the taking, if the Cubs want a pitcher with their top pick.
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