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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:51 AM

2015 


From the Cubs convention Epstein provided the following quote -
“By ’15, we should not just be talking about October, but hopefully you fans should be making your plans for October,” Epstein told the crowd.

Who is on the team now that will be part of the 2015 playoff team -
Rizzo
Castro
Barney ?
Castillo ?
Jackson
Samardzija
Garza ?
Wood ?

Still a lot of building left before 2015
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:41 AM

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I don't think Wood or Barney will be here in 2015

Fujikawa
I am not ready to close the door on Jackson/Vitters completely - Shark would have been gone already if we did that -

Hopefully 3 or more of the following - Baez/Almora/Soler/Vizcaino/Villanueva/Lake/Szczur/ Johnson

Vogelbach might bring something back in trade as I don't think he can play OF and Rizzo blocks him but he could be a great hitter

Our #2 pick in June could be also if we draft a college player

With what they have accomplished in a year I am very excited to see the additions in the draft, FA, and trades over the next couple years.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:28 AM

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I pray Theo is right. 

Last year and the coming couple years of rebuilding better pay off for all of us fans who believe in his ways of doing things.  If 2015 comes and the years following don't result in a competitive team yearly, you will see ALOT of upset Cub fans being done with this team.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:50 AM

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Radar3454 wrote: I don't think Wood or Barney will be here in 2015

Fujikawa
I am not ready to close the door on Jackson/Vitters completely - Shark would have been gone already if we did that -

Hopefully 3 or more of the following - Baez/Almora/Soler/Vizcaino/Villanueva/Lake/Szczur/ Johnson

Vogelbach might bring something back in trade as I don't think he can play OF and Rizzo blocks him but he could be a great hitter

Our #2 pick in June could be also if we draft a college player

With what they have accomplished in a year I am very excited to see the additions in the draft, FA, and trades over the next couple years.
The front office will need to make some smart free agent signings and trades to become competitive. They can not keep filling the roster with stop gap players. Waiting for prospects will also not be enough to be competitive.

The best prospects - Almora/Baez/Soler/Vogelbach/Johnson will all be starting the year in A ball. Even if they are on an aggressive promotion path through the minors that is a 1/2 year in A ball and 1/2 year in AA ball in 2013. Them 1/2 year in AA ball and 1/2 year in AAA ball in 2014. That would leave them short of the 500 AB's the front office wants prospects to have in AAA before getting promoted to the majors.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:12 AM

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I have a hard time believing many top prospects get 500+ AB's in AAA anymore.  The jump from AA seems more and more prevalent.  I will be a bit disappointed if Baez and Almora or Soler are not up by the end of 2014 as I think they will all be top 50ish players going into this year.

I agree they will have to get a hitter or 2 thru trade/FA though and they have shown this offseason they will be players in FA.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:56 PM

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Radar3454 wrote: I have a hard time believing many top prospects get 500+ AB's in AAA anymore.  The jump from AA seems more and more prevalent.  I will be a bit disappointed if Baez and Almora or Soler are not up by the end of 2014 as I think they will all be top 50ish players going into this year.

I agree they will have to get a hitter or 2 thru trade/FA though and they have shown this offseason they will be players in FA.
Epstein & Hoyer are the ones wanting prospects to get 500 AB's in AAA. They are trying not to rush prospects through the system and want them mentally and physically ready once they are promoted to the majors.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:19 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
Radar3454 wrote: I have a hard time believing many top prospects get 500+ AB's in AAA anymore.  The jump from AA seems more and more prevalent.  I will be a bit disappointed if Baez and Almora or Soler are not up by the end of 2014 as I think they will all be top 50ish players going into this year.

I agree they will have to get a hitter or 2 thru trade/FA though and they have shown this offseason they will be players in FA.
Epstein & Hoyer are the ones wanting prospects to get 500 AB's in AAA. They are trying not to rush prospects through the system and want them mentally and physically ready once they are promoted to the majors.

They might "want it" but they also understand they don't "need it."  It isn't a hard and fast rule.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:20 PM

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agreed but I don't see it for the elite prospects - if Baez crushes AA for example it won't be long before he is promoted
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Posted: 1/21/2013 2:33 PM

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Radar3454 wrote: agreed but I don't see it for the elite prospects - if Baez crushes AA for example it won't be long before he is promoted
Even if a Soler or Baez fly through the system it would be very unlikely they would be major contributors to a playoff team by 2015.

We'll see if the front offoce becomes more aggressive with trades at the July deadline and next offseason to get players that can help now instead trades for low level prospects that may help years down the road. They will also need to be use free agency to get players that are more than stop gap players.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:11 PM

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So what's your definition of "flying"? 3 years, 4 years? 5 years?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:28 AM

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Even in the age of uber-long contracts there is only going to be a handful of teams that can project their roster out two years.


Baez has "top-shelf bat speed," according to one National League scout who recently saw him play. "I haven't seen that type of bat speed this year outside of the big leagues. It's pure, unadulterated, just violent bat-speed."

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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:31 AM

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seedlessgrapes wrote: So what's your definition of "flying"? 3 years, 4 years? 5 years?

Use Baez as the example - He is 2 years into his minor league career and just reached high A ball. He will probably start at Daytona and if he performs get to AA sometime in year 3. Then next season in year 4 play AA/AAA and maybe get a Sept. callup.

He is the top prospect and is most likely ready in year 5.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:31 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
seedlessgrapes wrote: So what's your definition of "flying"? 3 years, 4 years? 5 years?

Use Baez as the example - He is 2 years into his minor league career and just reached high A ball. He will probably start at Daytona and if he performs get to AA sometime in year 3. Then next season in year 4 play AA/AAA and maybe get a Sept. callup.

He is the top prospect and is most likely ready in year 5.
If he rakes it in AA in year 4 he may only touch AAA or skip it completely, especially if there's a need on the big league club.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:49 AM

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Dan Vogelbach and Jorge Soler are the two prospects that have me the most excited. 

If Vogelbach hits nearly as well as he did last year you are going to see him shoot up on lists, not only the Cubs but in all of MLB. 

.322 17 hrs 62 RBI 35 BB to 48 Ks with a .410 OBP in 245 ABs is outstanding.

I realize it's hard to get real excited about stats at such a low level, but the one thing that excites me most from that stat line is the BB to K ratio.  That tells me he is going to hit for a high average b/c he had some command of the strike zone and his best tool is power.

I for one am not too worried about his size, guys like CC Sabathia and Prince Fielder are doing just fine despite their size and with major league nutrionalists and trainers I think he will be able to lose some of the weight and put on the muscle if he's serious about his career. 

Of course the biggest issue with him is that he's going to be a 1B so him or Rizzo would have to move.  He's most likely going to be the prospect in our system that is included to get a big name player in a trade when we are ready to really compete, but I just get the gut feeling about him that he's going to become a stud.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 11:02 AM

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ARAMIS13 wrote: Dan Vogelbach and Jorge Soler are the two prospects that have me the most excited. 

If Vogelbach hits nearly as well as he did last year you are going to see him shoot up on lists, not only the Cubs but in all of MLB. 

.322 17 hrs 62 RBI 35 BB to 48 Ks with a .410 OBP in 245 ABs is outstanding.

I realize it's hard to get real excited about stats at such a low level, but the one thing that excites me most from that stat line is the BB to K ratio.  That tells me he is going to hit for a high average b/c he had some command of the strike zone and his best tool is power.

I for one am not too worried about his size, guys like CC Sabathia and Prince Fielder are doing just fine despite their size and with major league nutrionalists and trainers I think he will be able to lose some of the weight and put on the muscle if he's serious about his career. 

Of course the biggest issue with him is that he's going to be a 1B so him or Rizzo would have to move.  He's most likely going to be the prospect in our system that is included to get a big name player in a trade when we are ready to really compete, but I just get the gut feeling about him that he's going to become a stud.

My guess is they eventually trade him unless Rizzo really hits the wall. Rizzo can be a Mark Teixeira type first baseman. Not only very good with the bat but also with his glove as well. And he is already showing great leadership qualities.

You could be right but hedging bets say, Vogelbach is moved sometime over the next 2 years.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 12:05 PM

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Well.....Jed Hoyer will be gone by 2015....#1 Because he was able to rebuild this franchise and he got better job and is tired of the Theo getting the credit or #2 They aren't there and Theo needs to blame someone and he's ego tells him to do both jobs.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 12:35 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: Well.....Jed Hoyer will be gone by 2015....#1 Because he was able to rebuild this franchise and he got better job and is tired of the Theo getting the credit or #2 They aren't there and Theo needs to blame someone and he's ego tells him to do both jobs.

He is Executive Vice President and General Manager of the Chicago Cubs. The only better job if he moved up to a Team President like Theo is. Took Theo nearly ten years as Boston's GM to land such a gig. And if he was worried about "not getting enough credit" then he would have stayed in SD where he had the same job. He knew Theo would get most of the credit if this went well in the media and he didn't care. They are pals. So are he, Theo and McCloud. Why do you think he brought the two of them in besides the face they are very good baseball executives? They are a very tight knit group. Hell, Hoyer was part of the "Gang of Four" that help run the baseball operations in Boston back when Theo took his breather there. Theo has the ultimate trust in Hoyer's ability. That unalone is enough "credit" for Hoyer.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:11 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: Well.....Jed Hoyer will be gone by 2015....#1 Because he was able to rebuild this franchise and he got better job and is tired of the Theo getting the credit or #2 They aren't there and Theo needs to blame someone and he's ego tells him to do both jobs.

WTH?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:16 PM

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By 2015 I think the majority of our offensive problems will be solved in-house. Castro and Rizzo will be entering their primes, and the holy trinity of Almora/Soler/Baez should be ready to contribute. Hopefully one of Castillo or Clevenger evolves into an above average backstop and we find a longterm solution at third. The only step left if we plan to contend is to somehow acquire some elite starting pitchers.

The idea floated around on here and many other forums I've read is trying to go hard after David Price. He'd be a nice left-handed counterpart to Shark at the top of the rotation (they're the same age). The problem is not giving up one of the aforementioned Almora/Soler/Baez in a deal with Tampa. Hopefully by then some other top prospects emerge that we can surrender.

Looking at the free agent market for pitchers after 2013, Josh Johnson is the only name that jumps out at me. And I'll be shocked if he pitches well and the Jays don't ink him to a longterm contract.

I think we need to count on guys like Vizcaino, Maples, P Johnson, etc emerging in the same fashion that Samardijza did in 2012.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:38 PM

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Anomalied wrote: By 2015 I think the majority of our offensive problems will be solved in-house. Castro and Rizzo will be entering their primes, and the holy trinity of Almora/Soler/Baez should be ready to contribute. Hopefully one of Castillo or Clevenger evolves into an above average backstop and we find a longterm solution at third. The only step left if we plan to contend is to somehow acquire some elite starting pitchers.

The idea floated around on here and many other forums I've read is trying to go hard after David Price. He'd be a nice left-handed counterpart to Shark at the top of the rotation (they're the same age). The problem is not giving up one of the aforementioned Almora/Soler/Baez in a deal with Tampa. Hopefully by then some other top prospects emerge that we can surrender.

Looking at the free agent market for pitchers after 2013, Josh Johnson is the only name that jumps out at me. And I'll be shocked if he pitches well and the Jays don't ink him to a longterm contract.

I think we need to count on guys like Vizcaino, Maples, P Johnson, etc emerging in the same fashion that Samardijza did in 2012.

That to me is the key. The core needs to be Castro/Rizzo along with two hopefully out of the Almora/Soler/Baez group with solid contributions from guys like Barney and Castillo. If they get that by 2015, they will be in great shape to make run for a long time.
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