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#1 or #2 in the Draft

  • RAMBLE
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Posted: 1/14/2013 11:56 AM

#1 or #2 in the Draft 


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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:18 PM

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I personally hope #2.  biggrin
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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:41 PM

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zighawk73 wrote: I personally hope #2.  biggrin
Over Appel?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 1:11 PM

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I've seen Appel a bunch of times, and while he seems like a safe pick, I'm not sure he's a lights out dominant starter. Manaea looks like he could be. So the question becomes do you go conservative and be content if Appel turns into a solid mid-rotation starter, which I think he will, assuming health and a normal development curve? Or do you swing for the fences and hope that you strike gold with the possibly more talented arm, but also with a much shorter track record in Manaea?
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Posted: 1/14/2013 1:13 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: I've seen Appel a bunch of times, and while he seems like a safe pick, I'm not sure he's a lights out dominant starter. Manaea looks like he could be. So the question becomes do you go conservative and be content if Appel turns into a solid mid-rotation starter, which I think he will, assuming health and a normal development curve? Or do you swing for the fences and hope that you strike gold with the possibly more talented arm, but also with a much shorter track record in Manaea?
+1, not too many lefties with the size of Manaea.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 1:30 PM

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Let the college players play their season this spring and see which perform the best, avoid injury and see how the scouts view them after another season. A lot can change in a year. Some of the best prospects will regress and no names will become the hot names for the June draft.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 2:00 PM

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I'm not informed on the draft. But it sounds like I'm damn glad we pick #2 rather than #3.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 2:43 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: Let the college players play their season this spring and see which perform the best, avoid injury and see how the scouts view them after another season. A lot can change in a year. Some of the best prospects will regress and no names will become the hot names for the June draft.
No ****!
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Posted: 1/14/2013 3:18 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Let the college players play their season this spring and see which perform the best, avoid injury and see how the scouts view them after another season. A lot can change in a year. Some of the best prospects will regress and no names will become the hot names for the June draft.
No ****!
Some names you can follow -
http://www.minorleaguerundown....nto-spring-1-10
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Posted: 1/14/2013 4:19 PM

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RAMBLE wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I personally hope #2.  biggrin
Over Appel?
The draft is a crap shoot so I'd put my money on a power lefty that's had recent success.  Appel is a year older and there seems to be some questions about him.  I don't think he fell in last years draft just because of signability or at least teams weren't as wowed by him as he was.

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Posted: 1/14/2013 5:13 PM

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zighawk73 wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I personally hope #2.  biggrin
Over Appel?
The draft is a crap shoot so I'd put my money on a power lefty that's had recent success.  Appel is a year older and there seems to be some questions about him.  I don't think he fell in last years draft just because of signability or at least teams weren't as wowed by him as he was.
Getting excited!
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Posted: 1/14/2013 8:17 PM

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2007 is correct, a lot will change between now and the draft. But, as it currently stands, if it comes down to one of the big 3 college arms, I would be dissapointed with Appel, unexcited about Stanek, and elated with Manaea. More importantly, the FO is reported to be totally enamored with Manaea. Good to hear since his upside dwarfs the other two. And picking at the 2 spot, you've got to roll the dice when it comes to upside. Also, I feel  genetics, and not mechanics, is the overriding factor in a pitcher's health.

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Posted: 1/15/2013 8:20 AM

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HolyMackeral wrote:

2007 is correct, a lot will change between now and the draft. But, as it currently stands, if it comes down to one of the big 3 college arms, I would be dissapointed with Appel, unexcited about Stanek, and elated with Manaea. More importantly, the FO is reported to be totally enamored with Manaea. Good to hear since his upside dwarfs the other two. And picking at the 2 spot, you've got to roll the dice when it comes to upside. Also, I feel  genetics, and not mechanics, is the overriding factor in a pitcher's health.

From link I posted in earlier post -
The first four or five college pitchers that go off of the board will be among the best talent in the entire draft, not just the best of the college ranks. Manaea, Stanek, Appel, and Crawford are all close enough in talent to where there isn’t a strong consensus as to who is the best. Each has their specific flaw, even with all of the remarkable upside that each pitcher possesses. After those four are off of the board, the next three or so arms (Wahl, Gonzales, Windle) could manage to be just as valuable in the long run.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 8:51 AM

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RAMBLE wrote:
Getting excited!

Me too.  emjumping3.gif
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Posted: 1/15/2013 2:19 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
Getting excited!

Me too.  emjumping3.gif
Me, too, but I have this slight fear that by the time of the draft it will look like Manaea, and then everyone else, which is a better deal for the Astros than for the Cubs.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 3:17 PM

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cubs08 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
Getting excited!

Me too.  emjumping3.gif
Me, too, but I have this slight fear that by the time of the draft it will look like Manaea, and then everyone else, which is a better deal for the Astros than for the Cubs.

I also have a feeling the Astros are going to jump on Manaea.  frown

But that little blurb that cubs2007 posted, about the first four or five college pitchers to go off the board being among the best talent in the entire draft, makes me optimistic.  We can't really go wrong, I hope.  excited
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:59 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
HolyMackeral wrote:

2007 is correct, a lot will change between now and the draft. But, as it currently stands, if it comes down to one of the big 3 college arms, I would be dissapointed with Appel, unexcited about Stanek, and elated with Manaea. More importantly, the FO is reported to be totally enamored with Manaea. Good to hear since his upside dwarfs the other two. And picking at the 2 spot, you've got to roll the dice when it comes to upside. Also, I feel  genetics, and not mechanics, is the overriding factor in a pitcher's health.

From link I posted in earlier post -
The first four or five college pitchers that go off of the board will be among the best talent in the entire draft, not just the best of the college ranks. Manaea, Stanek, Appel, and Crawford are all close enough in talent to where there isn’t a strong consensus as to who is the best. Each has their specific flaw, even with all of the remarkable upside that each pitcher possesses. After those four are off of the board, the next three or so arms (Wahl, Gonzales, Windle) could manage to be just as valuable in the long run.
Thanks for the regurgitation of the article,. My take on the subject differs. I say Manaea, more and more is breaking away from the pack. With pitching, it usually comes down to  who stays healthy. But, all things being equal, Manaea is the player, from that group, who can develop into a big time star.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:25 AM

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HolyMackeral wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
HolyMackeral wrote:

2007 is correct, a lot will change between now and the draft. But, as it currently stands, if it comes down to one of the big 3 college arms, I would be dissapointed with Appel, unexcited about Stanek, and elated with Manaea. More importantly, the FO is reported to be totally enamored with Manaea. Good to hear since his upside dwarfs the other two. And picking at the 2 spot, you've got to roll the dice when it comes to upside. Also, I feel  genetics, and not mechanics, is the overriding factor in a pitcher's health.

From link I posted in earlier post -
The first four or five college pitchers that go off of the board will be among the best talent in the entire draft, not just the best of the college ranks. Manaea, Stanek, Appel, and Crawford are all close enough in talent to where there isn’t a strong consensus as to who is the best. Each has their specific flaw, even with all of the remarkable upside that each pitcher possesses. After those four are off of the board, the next three or so arms (Wahl, Gonzales, Windle) could manage to be just as valuable in the long run.
Thanks for the regurgitation of the article,. My take on the subject differs. I say Manaea, more and more is breaking away from the pack. With pitching, it usually comes down to  who stays healthy. But, all things being equal, Manaea is the player, from that group, who can develop into a big time star.
How is Manaea breaking away from the pack when the college season doesn't begin for another month ?

Manaea, Stanek, Appel, and Crawford are all close enough in talent to where there isn’t a strong consensus as to who is the best.

What is your scouting background that you can say who is better ?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:31 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
HolyMackeral wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
HolyMackeral wrote:

2007 is correct, a lot will change between now and the draft. But, as it currently stands, if it comes down to one of the big 3 college arms, I would be dissapointed with Appel, unexcited about Stanek, and elated with Manaea. More importantly, the FO is reported to be totally enamored with Manaea. Good to hear since his upside dwarfs the other two. And picking at the 2 spot, you've got to roll the dice when it comes to upside. Also, I feel  genetics, and not mechanics, is the overriding factor in a pitcher's health.

From link I posted in earlier post -
The first four or five college pitchers that go off of the board will be among the best talent in the entire draft, not just the best of the college ranks. Manaea, Stanek, Appel, and Crawford are all close enough in talent to where there isn’t a strong consensus as to who is the best. Each has their specific flaw, even with all of the remarkable upside that each pitcher possesses. After those four are off of the board, the next three or so arms (Wahl, Gonzales, Windle) could manage to be just as valuable in the long run.
Thanks for the regurgitation of the article,. My take on the subject differs. I say Manaea, more and more is breaking away from the pack. With pitching, it usually comes down to  who stays healthy. But, all things being equal, Manaea is the player, from that group, who can develop into a big time star.
How is Manaea breaking away from the pack when the college season doesn't begin for another month ?

Manaea, Stanek, Appel, and Crawford are all close enough in talent to where there isn’t a strong consensus as to who is the best.

What is your scouting background that you can say who is better ?

He's from Indiana St., hardly a college powerhouse, and has leapfrogged all those listed behind him, based on a thoroughly dominant Cape Summer League. I've seen video on him and seen live preformances of the others and I'll stick to my statement-- he is the one in that group with the highest ceiling, not really close. Let's see how it plays out and see who is right. Barring injury, he will separate himself from all the other college arms heading into the draft. Make a note of it. And to top it off,he's a lefty.
The biggest problem with guys like you (other than the obvious fact that you have all the time in the world to spend on the internet and get the last word in) is that you'll be off on some other goofy tangent by the time I'm proven right. But, I'll remember-- especially when it comes to the end results of the rebuild. As for now bored1
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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:16 AM

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HolyMackeral wrote:
He's from Indiana St., hardly a college powerhouse, and has leapfrogged all those listed behind him, based on a thoroughly dominant Cape Summer League. I've seen video on him and seen live preformances of the others and I'll stick to my statement-- he is the one in that group with the highest ceiling, not really close. Let's see how it plays out and see who is right. Barring injury, he will separate himself from all the other college arms heading into the draft. Make a note of it. And to top it off,he's a lefty.
The biggest problem with guys like you (other than the obvious fact that you have all the time in the world to spend on the internet and get the last word in) is that you'll be off on some other goofy tangent by the time I'm proven right. But, I'll remember-- especially when it comes to the end results of the rebuild. As for now
It doesn't seem like it is your opinion - it seems like you agree with the writer of this article
http://www.minorleaguerundown....to-spring-1-10/
From article -
Sean Manaea, LHP (Indiana State): It’s amazing just how much his stock has risen since the beginning of this summer. He certainly didn’t come completely out of nowhere, but Manaea has leapfrogged so many other arms. Even though this draft class is particularly average (or even below-average), you can’t ignore the fact that his mid-90s fastball, strong change-up, and developing slurve make him appear ready to lead a rotation in a few years’ time. Against some of the very best summer competition in the Cape Cod league, he dominated hitters, even though he still needs work as a pitcher (as opposed to being more of a thrower now).

We'll see if you or the author of the story is proven right.
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