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Porcello Talk

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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:19 AM

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Cubs | Discussing deal for Rick Porcello?
Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:50:29 -0800

The Chicago Cubs and Detroit Tigers are reportedly discussing a deal that would send SP Rick Porcello to Chicago. The Tigers are trying to get the Baltimore Orioles involved in this deal in order to acquire SS J.J. Hardy, and they don't think the Cubs have the necessary players to make it a two-team trade. In this three-team deal, the Cubs would have to send pitching Baltimore's way. However, the O's probably aren't very motivated to get rid of Hardy unless they are overwhelmed in a trade. Baltimore isn't prepared to move 3B Manny Machado to shortstop this season. The Orioles are also interested in adding Porcello.



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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:02 AM

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Cubs | Discussing deal for Rick Porcello?
Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:50:29 -0800

The Chicago Cubs and Detroit Tigers are reportedly discussing a deal that would send SP Rick Porcello to Chicago. The Tigers are trying to get the Baltimore Orioles involved in this deal in order to acquire SS J.J. Hardy, and they don't think the Cubs have the necessary players to make it a two-team trade. In this three-team deal, the Cubs would have to send pitching Baltimore's way. However, the O's probably aren't very motivated to get rid of Hardy unless they are overwhelmed in a trade. Baltimore isn't prepared to move 3B Manny Machado to shortstop this season. The Orioles are also interested in adding Porcello.



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What am I missing here? A young arm with a bunch of innings that has already hit arbitration and has a career K rate of 5 per 9. Does this guy offer any more than Travis Wood, who will be struggling to make the starting 5. Unless the Cubs are ready to Dump Garza for a better package than what Porcello costs the team, I'm not sure how this helps.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:18 AM

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absolutebadger wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:

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Cubs | Discussing deal for Rick Porcello?
Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:50:29 -0800

The Chicago Cubs and Detroit Tigers are reportedly discussing a deal that would send SP Rick Porcello to Chicago. The Tigers are trying to get the Baltimore Orioles involved in this deal in order to acquire SS J.J. Hardy, and they don't think the Cubs have the necessary players to make it a two-team trade. In this three-team deal, the Cubs would have to send pitching Baltimore's way. However, the O's probably aren't very motivated to get rid of Hardy unless they are overwhelmed in a trade. Baltimore isn't prepared to move 3B Manny Machado to shortstop this season. The Orioles are also interested in adding Porcello.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/mlb#ixzz2HUYvYa62

What am I missing here? A young arm with a bunch of innings that has already hit arbitration and has a career K rate of 5 per 9. Does this guy offer any more than Travis Wood, who will be struggling to make the starting 5. Unless the Cubs are ready to Dump Garza for a better package than what Porcello costs the team, I'm not sure how this helps.
I think you have it. The hope is that he is young and will continue to improve and that the move to the NL would certainly help his numbers. If they got Porcello, they most certainly would be looking to trade Garza (or some other pitcher) before the start of the season.

I agree that his numbers look similar to Wood, who was acquired on the same kind of thinking.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:25 AM

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It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:37 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
Thanks for the insight, douche. Was hoping that 2013 would bring the exile of this babbling poacher of information, from this board.  Guess not.  ohlord
Do this site a favor and all of it's posters and BAN CLARKTHEBEAR, DURHAMSGLOVE or whatever other lame moniker that is used by Cubs2007 !
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:56 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
We were simply discussing why the Cubs might want him, not whether the deal would actually happen.

The Tigers reportedly want JJ Hardy, which makes exactly one team match up with them well, from their side.

Sure, if the Cubs were willing to part with Castro or Barney, the Tigers may have interest. But Porcello is not worth either one of them. Not sure if they have additional prospects they could include to make it worth it for the Cubs.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:44 PM

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chico23 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
Thanks for the insight, douche. Was hoping that 2013 would bring the exile of this babbling poacher of information, from this board.  Guess not.  ohlord
I was hoping you would grow up this year instead of your childish insulting ways.

Try providing insight on the topic instead of insults.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 2:42 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
We were simply discussing why the Cubs might want him, not whether the deal would actually happen.

The Tigers reportedly want JJ Hardy, which makes exactly one team match up with them well, from their side.

Sure, if the Cubs were willing to part with Castro or Barney, the Tigers may have interest. But Porcello is not worth either one of them. Not sure if they have additional prospects they could include to make it worth it for the Cubs.
If you are discussing adding young pitching with upside that still have controllable years then of course you should add Porcello.

You should always be looking for pitching. Is this a discussion that needs to happen ?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:15 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
We were simply discussing why the Cubs might want him, not whether the deal would actually happen.

The Tigers reportedly want JJ Hardy, which makes exactly one team match up with them well, from their side.

Sure, if the Cubs were willing to part with Castro or Barney, the Tigers may have interest. But Porcello is not worth either one of them. Not sure if they have additional prospects they could include to make it worth it for the Cubs.
If you are discussing adding young pitching with upside that still have controllable years then of course you should add Porcello.

You should always be looking for pitching. Is this a discussion that needs to happen ?
Sure it is a discussion because he isn't very good, he will cost prospects, and the Cubs have an abundance of 4/5 starters on the roster and some of them will be in the pen because only 5 can start. If Garza is traded it makes more sense. It also makes the team weaker.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:31 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
Sure it is a discussion because he isn't very good, he will cost prospects, and the Cubs have an abundance of 4/5 starters on the roster and some of them will be in the pen because only 5 can start. If Garza is traded it makes more sense. It also makes the team weaker.
He has been a decent starter and is still only 24. Go back to his original scouting reports and he projects to a #1 starter. So if the front office still feels he can realize his potential he would be worth the prospects you trade.

Why does trading Garza make more sense when your goal  is to have top of the rotation starters like Garza ?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:46 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
Sure it is a discussion because he isn't very good, he will cost prospects, and the Cubs have an abundance of 4/5 starters on the roster and some of them will be in the pen because only 5 can start. If Garza is traded it makes more sense. It also makes the team weaker.
He has been a decent starter and is still only 24. Go back to his original scouting reports and he projects to a #1 starter. So if the front office still feels he can realize his potential he would be worth the prospects you trade.

Why does trading Garza make more sense when your goal  is to have top of the rotation starters like Garza ?
As of yet, Porcello has only delivered on #5 or maybe bad #4 performance. Yes, he is young, but this is similar to Travis Wood here. That is why we might not want him or certainly why we wouldn't want to break the bank for him.

Trading Garza makes sense because it doesn't sound like they can sign him to an extension for what they want to pay. Simple as that. Trade him and get what you can rather than let him walk for nothing (or the sandwich pick). Obviously don't trade him for less than the sandwich pick, since you do have that as an option.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:47 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.
We were simply discussing why the Cubs might want him, not whether the deal would actually happen.

The Tigers reportedly want JJ Hardy, which makes exactly one team match up with them well, from their side.

Sure, if the Cubs were willing to part with Castro or Barney, the Tigers may have interest. But Porcello is not worth either one of them. Not sure if they have additional prospects they could include to make it worth it for the Cubs.
If you are discussing adding young pitching with upside that still have controllable years then of course you should add Porcello.

You should always be looking for pitching. Is this a discussion that needs to happen ?
You should always be looking for #1 or perhaps #2 starter type pitching. You should not always be looking for #5 starter pitching. Potential or not, he has been pitching like a #5.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:27 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
You should always be looking for #1 or perhaps #2 starter type pitching. You should not always be looking for #5 starter pitching. Potential or not, he has been pitching like a #5.
So if you don't want Porcello - come out and say it is a bad idea - many are afraid to state an opinion on this board.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:40 PM

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I WOULD be interested in Porcello. He was rushed to the big leagues, before he was ready. His stats thus far are not necessarily a reflection of the type of pitcher he can become. Given a fresh start and a chance to grow, without the instant demands that come with being on a contender and he stands a chance at being a real bargain. Where was Samardzija at his age?

I hated to see the Cubs let Bauer get traded without trying to get involved-- they had the young, middle infield depth of prospects the D-backs were looking for in return. Glad to see there is still some smoke with this one. And I WOULD give up Barney in the deal, without any hessitation. Beyond the already touched upon middle infield depth in the minor league system, I simply don't look at Barney as a building block, core player. Porcello still has a chance at being one.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 6:25 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:

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Cubs | Discussing deal for Rick Porcello?
Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:50:29 -0800

The Chicago Cubs and Detroit Tigers are reportedly discussing a deal that would send SP Rick Porcello to Chicago. The Tigers are trying to get the Baltimore Orioles involved in this deal in order to acquire SS J.J. Hardy, and they don't think the Cubs have the necessary players to make it a two-team trade. In this three-team deal, the Cubs would have to send pitching Baltimore's way. However, the O's probably aren't very motivated to get rid of Hardy unless they are overwhelmed in a trade. Baltimore isn't prepared to move 3B Manny Machado to shortstop this season. The Orioles are also interested in adding Porcello.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/mlb#ixzz2HUYvYa62

What am I missing here? A young arm with a bunch of innings that has already hit arbitration and has a career K rate of 5 per 9. Does this guy offer any more than Travis Wood, who will be struggling to make the starting 5. Unless the Cubs are ready to Dump Garza for a better package than what Porcello costs the team, I'm not sure how this helps.
I think you have it. The hope is that he is young and will continue to improve and that the move to the NL would certainly help his numbers. If they got Porcello, they most certainly would be looking to trade Garza (or some other pitcher) before the start of the season.

I agree that his numbers look similar to Wood, who was acquired on the same kind of thinking.

Travis Wood is a fly ball pitcher.  Porcello had a 53.2% ground ball rate in 2012.  How much better would he have pitched with a better infield than Detroit's last season.  His WAR has increased over the past three seasons (2.0, 2.7, 2.9) with a corresponding increase in his K/BB rate (2.21, 2.26, 2.43).  Because of that and his age/potential with a move to the NL, I would trade say Marmol for him definitely, although I would hesitate to trade Barney for him not because he's a building block but because Porcello's value would decrease with less than stellar infield defense.  However, I would still consider it with Valbuena playing his natural position at 2B.

Last edited 1/9/2013 6:35 PM by KatieCubFan

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Posted: 1/9/2013 6:56 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.

Reportedly the Orioles want pitching and the Tigers want Hardy.  The Orioles probably like Garza better than Porcello, otherwise why get the Cubs involved at all.  If Garza is in the deal, I would imagine there would be more than Porcello coming our way.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:17 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.

Reportedly the Orioles want pitching and the Tigers want Hardy.  The Orioles probably like Garza better than Porcello, otherwise why get the Cubs involved at all.  If Garza is in the deal, I would imagine there would be more than Porcello coming our way.
Garza is going to be traded until he shows he is healthy. At best he is traded at the end of spring training when he shows he can pitch 5-6 innings. Otherwise he will be a July trade candidate.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:20 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: It has been reported the Cubs don't match up well with players/prospects. Another rumor that will die soon.

Reportedly the Orioles want pitching and the Tigers want Hardy.  The Orioles probably like Garza better than Porcello, otherwise why get the Cubs involved at all.  If Garza is in the deal, I would imagine there would be more than Porcello coming our way.
If Detroit offered Porcello for Garza head up I'd do it...there's a 6 year age difference, Porcello still has a ceiling to reach and controllable years. Garza is what he is, a #3 at best in any good organization. This is why Detroit doesn't want him because you'd be paying $10M plus for a #4-5 starter on their staff.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 1:35 PM

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This be a hell of a swing for the Cubs to pull off but it be sure nice if they can.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:59 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:
If Detroit offered Porcello for Garza head up I'd do it...there's a 6 year age difference, Porcello still has a ceiling to reach and controllable years. Garza is what he is, a #3 at best in any good organization. This is why Detroit doesn't want him because you'd be paying $10M plus for a #4-5 starter on their staff.
You can't be serious
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