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Wait Til Next Year

  • RAMBLE
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:20 PM

Wait Til Next Year 


Or is this the Cubs year?

I guess Cubs fans can't even dream any more.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:40 PM

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In fairness, the team is poised to be more successful in 2013 than it was in 2012. But I don't think the Cubs can compete with Cincy's offense, St. Louis's pitching depth, or even leap-frog over Pittsburgh's slew of young talent. I think the games will be less cringe-worthy this year, and we're probably going to be competitive in a lot more of them; however, when all is siad and done, we don't have the speed, power, or 'go to' starters to really push past 3rd place in the best of scenarios this year (as the team's make-up currently stands). I look at 2013 much like I looked at the 1982-83 teams... quite a bit of promise, but everything depends on what the front office decides to do with it. Back when Dallas Green was steering the Cubs ship, he jumped on some opportunities to fill out the roster with veterans that made the team highly competitive... and left the farm somewhat understocked. It seems Theo & the Gang aren't likely to make that kind of jump nearly as soon, though nobody can be certain. Regardless, I am grateful that we have rotation depth and an improved bullpen.

Should Theo/Hoyer add a lead-off guy or a dangerous bat, we might be able to muster 2nd this year on the backs of some starters (if they return to form). If nothing else, it may be an exciting season... which was my biggest knock against the 2012 product. There was nothing exciting about seeing the team get the snot kicked out of them 100+ times & being outclassed... Barney's glovework, Rizzo's awesome half-season, Samardzija's emergence in the rotation, and Castro's steps forward not withstanding. MANY of the 2012 games were just painful to watch, knowing we had practically no chance from "Play ball!"

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 1/1/2013 11:16 AM

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if this team is 7 games better than last year I will be shocked.

 

I say worse than last year.  this team is not going to score any runs as of now and pitching is not good.

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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:08 PM

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RAMBLE wrote:
I guess Cubs fans can't even dream any more.

Good.  There is no sense in it.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:38 PM

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this team is still a year or even two away from rock bottom.  55-62 wins
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:53 PM

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win at least 10 more this year - not great but a step in the right direction
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Posted: 1/1/2013 4:22 PM

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--- promar200 wrote:

this team is still a year or even two away from rock bottom.  55-62 wins

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I'll take that bet
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Posted: 1/1/2013 6:37 PM

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I'll say 72-90 with the team as presently constructed.  We still have a huge mess at 3B, an untested catcher, a weak RF platoon (Schierholtz/?) and a CF (DeJesus) who's basically a placeholder.  The Cubs' pitching should be signifigantly better than it was at the end of 2012, but the offense is light years away from Cincinnati and St. Louis.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:39 AM

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promar200 wrote:

if this team is 7 games better than last year I will be shocked.

 

I say worse than last year.  this team is not going to score any runs as of now and pitching is not good.


The bullpen has the potential to be a strength and while we don't have an established #1 ace, there are a couple guys that can pitch like #2's, a solid #3 and probably one of the better 4/5's in the league (health permitting).
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:31 AM

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Pitching will be solid this season, but not being able to score runs will be the downfall.  I don't think they'll lose 100 games again next year, they should improve this year. 

I think Castro will be much better this year now that he has his long term contract and he can just focus on playing.

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Posted: 1/2/2013 11:38 AM

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mike04gt wrote: Pitching will be solid this season, but not being able to score runs will be the downfall.  I don't think they'll lose 100 games again next year, they should improve this year. 

I think Castro will be much better this year now that he has his long term contract and he can just focus on playing.
mike,

Love your fan club there. Anyone who can do a Koyie has to be a brave, brave man. And a fab fan.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 1:05 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
promar200 wrote:

if this team is 7 games better than last year I will be shocked.

 

I say worse than last year.  this team is not going to score any runs as of now and pitching is not good.


The bullpen has the potential to be a strength and while we don't have an established #1 ace, there are a couple guys that can pitch like #2's, a solid #3 and probably one of the better 4/5's in the league (health permitting).
If the rotation stays healthy and they don't sell at the deadline the numbers for 2013 should be better than 2012. There were are a bunch of starts last season by guys with terrible numbers. If the Cubs can avoid starts from outside the top 7 guys, they should show improvement.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 1:27 PM

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promar200 wrote: this team is still a year or even two away from rock bottom.  55-62 wins
The thing that propelled the Cubs to 100+ losses was after they shut down Garza and Samardzija and traded Maholm and Dempster, they had nothing but hot mess pitching almost every game. Not simply #5 starter hot mess. Truly, truly horrific pitching.

Famous last words, but I think the pitching depth is better this year if/when the trades happen.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 2:51 PM

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promar200 wrote: this team is still a year or even two away from rock bottom.  55-62 wins
Last year was rock bottom. With the right move or 2 this offseason they may actually have a chance to get close to 500. You are about 20 wins short in your prediction.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 3:01 PM

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The good thing is that Houston is no longer in the division so it increased our odds of winning the division. The bad thing is Houston is no longer in the division so it increased our odds of finishing in last place.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:05 PM

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RAMBLE wrote:
mike,

Love your fan club there. Anyone who can do a Koyie has to be a brave, brave man. And a fab fan.

Koyie was basically an adonis when it came to the sport.  He lived, breathed and tried to play baseball.  If we had an entire team of Koyie Hill's, I can't say we would win alot but we'd certainly look like we knew what we were doing.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:33 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
promar200 wrote: this team is still a year or even two away from rock bottom.  55-62 wins
Last year was rock bottom. With the right move or 2 this offseason they may actually have a chance to get close to 500. You are about 20 wins short in your prediction.
I didn't think it possible but, next to him your rather sage, thoughtful..even wise. It's all relative, I guess.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:31 PM

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70 win season is more realistic.  I can't see then getting any worse than 61 wins.  As long as the Cubs suck on offense, good pitching isn't gonna mean much.    The Cubs will certainly lose a lotta 1-run games for sure (if that good pitching holds up).

That does sound better than the idea of em losing most of their games in blowout fashion.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:45 PM

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mike04gt wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
mike,

Love your fan club there. Anyone who can do a Koyie has to be a brave, brave man. And a fab fan.

Koyie was basically an adonis when it came to the sport.  He lived, breathed and tried to play baseball.  If we had an entire team of Koyie Hill's, I can't say we would win alot but we'd certainly look like we knew what we were doing.
You'd be fun to drink with.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:56 PM

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mike04gt wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
mike,

Love your fan club there. Anyone who can do a Koyie has to be a brave, brave man. And a fab fan.

Koyie was basically an adonis when it came to the sport.  He lived, breathed and tried to play baseball.  If we had an entire team of Koyie Hill's, I can't say we would win alot but we'd certainly look like we knew what we were doing.
Yes, but we would have fewer fingers.
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