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Giancarlo Stanton

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Posted: 12/27/2012 1:35 PM

Giancarlo Stanton 


Hey guys im not a regular poster here but a long time Cub fan and since being Married and having Kids i haven't been able to keep up with the Cubs as much as I would like, Especially Now. I can not recall the cubs ever doing what they are doing now. So many changes and I am looking foward to the future like many of you.That said, On to my post!

 Has anybody read or heard of the Cubs having contact with the Marlins about Stanton? He is only 23 years old and we have the money to spend so why not put him in Cubbie Blue? Sure, the Marlins farmed him and we are trying to farm our guys. That's how team Chemistry is built from the bottom up. But, if we had him Players, Coaches and Fans for the next 10 years never need to worry or say we need a true Clean up hitter.

This would allow us to Concentrate on growing, hitters (avg)(speed) , Pitchers and Defense. Just a thought
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Posted: 12/27/2012 1:46 PM

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Nice dream to have, but if it were known that the Marlins are willing to part with Stanton there would be plenty of competition.  We'd have to give up Castro and a top prospect or two.  However, to answer your question it was reported that the Cubs contacted the Marlins after their latest firesale to inquire about Stanton (as did many other teams).  Haven't heard anything since.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 2:54 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote: Nice dream to have, but if it were known that the Marlins are willing to part with Stanton there would be plenty of competition.  We'd have to give up Castro and a top prospect or two.  However, to answer your question it was reported that the Cubs contacted the Marlins after their latest firesale to inquire about Stanton (as did many other teams).  Haven't heard anything since.
But what a dream.  Problem for a trade is over his first three seasons Stanton has been worth $60m (12 WAR x $5m).  They actually paid him like $900,000.  They have another year of that kind of value before he is arbitration eligible, so yeah, I highly doubt ANYONE is prying Stanton loose before 2014.  He will get expensive fast and I think he'll be 25 in 2014, so maybe the dream gets a little closer to reality, but what Katie said, 28 other teams know his value too.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 6:26 PM

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zighawk73 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote: Nice dream to have, but if it were known that the Marlins are willing to part with Stanton there would be plenty of competition.  We'd have to give up Castro and a top prospect or two.  However, to answer your question it was reported that the Cubs contacted the Marlins after their latest firesale to inquire about Stanton (as did many other teams).  Haven't heard anything since.
But what a dream.  Problem for a trade is over his first three seasons Stanton has been worth $60m (12 WAR x $5m).  They actually paid him like $900,000.  They have another year of that kind of value before he is arbitration eligible, so yeah, I highly doubt ANYONE is prying Stanton loose before 2014.  He will get expensive fast and I think he'll be 25 in 2014, so maybe the dream gets a little closer to reality, but what Katie said, 28 other teams know his value too.
The other thing is that Uncle Bud might actually step in and block a prospective Stanton trade in the "best interests of the game."  I read somewhere that he thought about doing that during the Marlins-Blue Jays deal but decided against it as Miami received substantial talent in return for their departing (and expensive) stars.  Moving an extremely affordable guy like Stanton might not meet the same criteria...and there's also the thought that the citizens of Dade County might come after Jeffrey Loria with torches and pitchforks as well.  It's pretty hard to see Giancarlo going anywhere for at least another year or two unless some team gives up an outrageous package for him--for the Cubs, you'd be talking about something like Baez, Almora AND Vizcaino just to get the conversation started.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 9:39 PM

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The only reason it was thought that Stanton MIGHT be made available is because of his extreme displeasure at what Loria pulled this offseason.  A disgruntled player is the only reason it made sense for the Marlins.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 11:22 PM

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We don't have enough pieces. Not going to happen.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:31 AM

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I think the Cubs have enough pieces, but it would probably take 3 of the top 5 and 2 of the next 5 to get the deal done.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:51 AM

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absolutebadger wrote: I think the Cubs have enough pieces, but it would probably take 3 of the top 5 and 2 of the next 5 to get the deal done.
Yeah...that's the kind of deal you make when you're trying to win the World Series now; the Cubs ain't that team going into 2013.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:24 AM

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absolutebadger wrote: I think the Cubs have enough pieces, but it would probably take 3 of the top 5 and 2 of the next 5 to get the deal done.

We have the pieces but after we deal them we end up with Giancarlo Stanton and very little talent around him.  Then we have to go the FA route and we are basically back to square 1.

Thus, we don't have the pieces for this trade.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:14 AM

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SPOONER wrote:
absolutebadger wrote: I think the Cubs have enough pieces, but it would probably take 3 of the top 5 and 2 of the next 5 to get the deal done.

We have the pieces but after we deal them we end up with Giancarlo Stanton and very little talent around him.  Then we have to go the FA route and we are basically back to square 1.

Thus, we don't have the pieces for this trade.
I agree that it won't happen, but the Cubs have plenty of talent in their top 10 to make it happen.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:59 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
I agree that it won't happen, but the Cubs have plenty of talent in their top 10 to make it happen.

But it isn't worth mortgaging all that for one guy.  The goal is to have a bevy of major and minor league talent before making a deal like this.  If we were 2-3 years down the road with the current minor league talent proving themselves in the majors and still an equal or greater level of talent in the minors THEN we have plenty of talent for a deal like this to happen and make sense.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 10:46 AM

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Miami is not shopping Stanton - he is young, cheap and the owner can't afford to lose the few fans he has.

Justin Upton is available if you want to add a young potential star OF
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:25 AM

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Miami is not shopping Stanton - he is young, cheap and the owner can't afford to lose the few fans he has.

Justin Upton is available if you want to add a young potential star OF

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Very well put, it is so obvious that the Miami fans are a considering factor in this owners decision making process.

And as far as trading for proven MLB talent, we will not be going that route in my opinion. If anything we will trade MLB proven talent for more prospects.

Last edited 12/29/2012 11:27 AM by Brianj

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Posted: 12/30/2012 1:09 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: Miami is not shopping Stanton - he is young, cheap and the owner can't afford to lose the few fans he has.

Justin Upton is available if you want to add a young potential star OF
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/marlins-will -listen-on-giancarlo-stanton.html

And now they are.  Or at least saying they will listen.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 3:22 PM

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zighawk73 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Miami is not shopping Stanton - he is young, cheap and the owner can't afford to lose the few fans he has.

Justin Upton is available if you want to add a young potential star OF
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/marlins-will -listen-on-giancarlo-stanton.html

And now they are.  Or at least saying they will listen.

Assistant General Manager Dan Jennings says that the club isn't shopping the right fielder, but they will listen to all offers for him, according to Jim Bowden of SiriusXM (on Twitter).


Big difference in shopping a player vs listening. Every GM will listen to a offer on any player on the team. The front office has already stated they don't want to trade their top prospects this offseason so this is going nowhere.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:19 AM

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Yeppers... Stanton (whether he likes it or not) is the Marlins' building block guy.  And whether Cubs fans like it or not, there's a better chance of magical monkeys crawling out of Theo's butt than the brass making a successful offer on Stanton... Almora, Baez, and Soler are untouchable, making the Marlins a very unlikely trading partner. I don't see them taking Lake as the centerpiece of any such trade, and that's what we'd be looking at: Lake, Vogelbach, and other assorted prospects that don't have 'potential All Star' written on them now. It's never going to happen... 

An offer on Bourn, though, could be coming up in early January... it will be interesting to see if Theo & the Gang would give up our 2nd round pick to get him (or if Boras will accept a reasonable offer like he did with Edwin Jackson). Philadelphia, Atlanta, Washington, SF, LAA, LAD, Detroit, and Boston have all pretty much set their OF's (though Atlanta wants to add a banger for LF). Except for Texas and possibly Seattle, the market for Bourn has shrunk to a handful of clubs. I don't see Daniels over-extending himself (when he's looking to replace 40 HR from Hamilton, not 40-50 SB from a good .OBP line drive guy), and I can't see Seattle outbidding anyone when their key issue is power production. I think Bourn to the Cubs will get legs later on this week...

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:48 AM

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mindbodyspirit wrote: Yeppers... Stanton (whether he likes it or not) is the Marlins' building block guy.  And whether Cubs fans like it or not, there's a better chance of magical monkeys crawling out of Theo's butt than the brass making a successful offer on Stanton... Almora, Baez, and Soler are untouchable, making the Marlins a very unlikely trading partner. I don't see them taking Lake as the centerpiece of any such trade, and that's what we'd be looking at: Lake, Vogelbach, and other assorted prospects that don't have 'potential All Star' written on them now. It's never going to happen... 

An offer on Bourn, though, could be coming up in early January... it will be interesting to see if Theo & the Gang would give up our 2nd round pick to get him (or if Boras will accept a reasonable offer like he did with Edwin Jackson). Philadelphia, Atlanta, Washington, SF, LAA, LAD, Detroit, and Boston have all pretty much set their OF's (though Atlanta wants to add a banger for LF). Except for Texas and possibly Seattle, the market for Bourn has shrunk to a handful of clubs. I don't see Daniels over-extending himself (when he's looking to replace 40 HR from Hamilton, not 40-50 SB from a good .OBP line drive guy), and I can't see Seattle outbidding anyone when their key issue is power production. I think Bourn to the Cubs will get legs later on this week...
I hope and pray this is why they WON'T go after him.  Bourn's asking price will be too high as it is.  Adding that pick to the bill would be too much, in my opinion, for an overhyped free agent.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:34 AM

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All I want to see from this point on is a new home for Soriano and DeJesus by the trade deadline and a starting outfield of Szczur, Jackson and Shierholtz with Sappelt and Campana on the bench. Hopefully the dealing of Soriano and DeJesus will bring back some pitching and catching depth.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:20 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: All I want to see from this point on is a new home for Soriano and DeJesus by the trade deadline and a starting outfield of Szczur, Jackson and Shierholtz with Sappelt and Campana on the bench. Hopefully the dealing of Soriano and DeJesus will bring back some pitching and catching depth.
Why would you want an OF of Szczur, Jackson & Schierholtz ? Are you hoping for another 100 loss season ? You need to aim much higher and have higher goals for the major league team.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:24 AM

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zighawk73 wrote:
I hope and pray this is why they WON'T go after him.  Bourn's asking price will be too high as it is.  Adding that pick to the bill would be too much, in my opinion, for an overhyped free agent.
A second round pick should not prevent the Cubs from signing a talented player. Go back and look at his last 4 seasons - He would have been either the top rated or second best player on the Cubs using WAR in those 4 seasons.
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