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  • RAMBLE
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:37 AM

Any Interest? 



Royals | Two could be dealt
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:19:09 -0800

The Kansas City Royals could decide to trade OF Jeff Francoeur or SP Luke Hochevar.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/mlb#ixzz2GAlwvkUJ

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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:41 AM

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RAMBLE wrote:

Royals | Two could be dealt
Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:19:09 -0800

The Kansas City Royals could decide to trade OF Jeff Francoeur or SP Luke Hochevar.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/mlb#ixzz2GAlwvkUJ

I don't think there would be much interest in a low .300's OBP as an everyday player. Francoeur does have a career .820 against lefties and the Cubs are in need of platoon players. At 7.5 million this season, that is one expensive platoon.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 11:31 AM

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This is off topic but the Cubs must be asking a lot in prospects for Soriano, if no one will take him for Francoeur money.  Francoeur sucks.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 11:41 AM

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After the season Sori had and with the Cubs willing to eat most of the contract, they should be looking for a nice return. If the Cubs are sellers at the deadline, I would be shocked if Sori doesn't move; unless of course his numbers take a big dive. A team in the hunt could rent him for three months and then dump him in the off-season and get most of their prospects back.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 7:28 PM

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After the season Sori had and with the Cubs willing to eat most of the contract, they should be looking for a nice return. If the Cubs are sellers at the deadline, I would be shocked if Sori doesn't move; unless of course his numbers take a big dive. A team in the hunt could rent him for three months and then dump him in the off-season and get most of their prospects back.

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I agree. If Sori has a decent first half, he'll be more interesting to contending teams at the deadline than he is right now. If he Cubs will eat most of his contract then, he should land a nice haul of prospects. Increasingly, trading productive vets and eating their salary seems like the only way to use financial resources to "buy" prospects.

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Posted: 12/27/2012 8:15 AM

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Can someone show previous situations where teams had to pick up 50% or greater of someones salary and received top prospects in return. I'm not buying that someone is going to fork over a top 10 or possibly top 20 prospects for a soon to be 37 year old below average fielding, only DH type of player. I say, don't worry about the return as much reducing the money your eating.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 11:32 AM

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msqboxer2011 wrote: Can someone show previous situations where teams had to pick up 50% or greater of someones salary and received top prospects in return. I'm not buying that someone is going to fork over a top 10 or possibly top 20 prospects for a soon to be 37 year old below average fielding, only DH type of player. I say, don't worry about the return as much reducing the money your eating.

What would be the point of that though?  The Cubs don't need salary relief in return for weakening an already weak lineup.  Better to just keep him which is probably their thinking.  BTW, his fielding was good last year.  Funny how people never amend their opinions about things.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 11:56 AM

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He's been a plus fielder for a couple of seasons now.
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Can someone show previous situations where teams had to pick up 50% or greater of someones salary and received top prospects in return. I'm not buying that someone is going to fork over a top 10 or possibly top 20 prospects for a soon to be 37 year old below average fielding, only DH type of player. I say, don't worry about the return as much reducing the money your eating.

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Posted: 12/27/2012 12:38 PM

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cubbyfan25 wrote:
He's been a plus fielder for a couple of seasons now.
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--- msqboxer2011 wrote:

Can someone show previous situations where teams had to pick up 50% or greater of someones salary and received top prospects in return. I'm not buying that someone is going to fork over a top 10 or possibly top 20 prospects for a soon to be 37 year old below average fielding, only DH type of player. I say, don't worry about the return as much reducing the money your eating.

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Yeah, he's not worthless to us.  He's not a liability in the field and he brings offense that will have to be replaced.  His contract is...sizable, but I don't think it's keeping them from doing what they want.  I like the fact that this FO is being efficient, but Sori isn't SO bad or SO expensive that you absolutely have to get rid of him so you are in a good negotiation position where you can hold out for something good and if it never materializes then oh well.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 12:46 PM

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Francouer is not as bad as his reputation, but he's a very inconsistent player. His 2011 season was really pretty solid, but at this point it's an outlier on his resume. He's a right handed hitter who can get some at bats in right field, but not much more than that.

Hochevar is a guy you can talk yourself into thinking about the first round pedigree and digging deep enough into the stats, but at this point he's a long ways into his career and hasn't really broken out.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 4:23 PM

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cubbyfan25 wrote:
He's been a plus fielder for a couple of seasons now.
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--- msqboxer2011 wrote:

Can someone show previous situations where teams had to pick up 50% or greater of someones salary and received top prospects in return. I'm not buying that someone is going to fork over a top 10 or possibly top 20 prospects for a soon to be 37 year old below average fielding, only DH type of player. I say, don't worry about the return as much reducing the money your eating.

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If Sori continues to be productive, he has value. To a contender who has a major player go down, to a contender who needs a boost at mid season to get over the top.
But to the Cubs, Sori's value is only in prospects which is why they're willing to absorb so much salary. They don't need salary relief, they need prospects.  So they need to hold the line here. Teams know, that if they want Sori they'll have to deliver something of value. Otherwise, there's no deal.
It makes no sense to dump him to save a few million dollars. Where do you go to replace his production for that?
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:32 AM

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dancingwithgoats wrote:
cubbyfan25 wrote:
He's been a plus fielder for a couple of seasons now.
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--- msqboxer2011 wrote:

Can someone show previous situations where teams had to pick up 50% or greater of someones salary and received top prospects in return. I'm not buying that someone is going to fork over a top 10 or possibly top 20 prospects for a soon to be 37 year old below average fielding, only DH type of player. I say, don't worry about the return as much reducing the money your eating.

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If Sori continues to be productive, he has value. To a contender who has a major player go down, to a contender who needs a boost at mid season to get over the top.
But to the Cubs, Sori's value is only in prospects which is why they're willing to absorb so much salary. They don't need salary relief, they need prospects.  So they need to hold the line here. Teams know, that if they want Sori they'll have to deliver something of value. Otherwise, there's no deal.
It makes no sense to dump him to save a few million dollars. Where do you go to replace his production for that?
Whoa.....let's be careful here on the value....are we sure that Sori will only accept a trade to a "contender" or as I heard there is also a geographical requirement. Does anyone know what Sori's trade acceptable teams or locations are?
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:59 AM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: Francouer is not as bad as his reputation, but he's a very inconsistent player. His 2011 season was really pretty solid, but at this point it's an outlier on his resume. He's a right handed hitter who can get some at bats in right field, but not much more than that.

Hochevar is a guy you can talk yourself into thinking about the first round pedigree and digging deep enough into the stats, but at this point he's a long ways into his career and hasn't really broken out.
Francouer's also a terrible RF...much worse at his position than Soriano is at LF.  Hochevar is, frankly, an enigma--you watch the guy pitch and it seems like he should be a lot better than he is.  Kenny Williams made a career out of reclaiming/resurrecting former 1st-rounders, but Hochevar might be beyond that kind of help at this point.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:25 AM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
DoubleDown11 wrote: Francouer is not as bad as his reputation, but he's a very inconsistent player. His 2011 season was really pretty solid, but at this point it's an outlier on his resume. He's a right handed hitter who can get some at bats in right field, but not much more than that.

Hochevar is a guy you can talk yourself into thinking about the first round pedigree and digging deep enough into the stats, but at this point he's a long ways into his career and hasn't really broken out.
Francouer's also a terrible RF...much worse at his position than Soriano is at LF.  Hochevar is, frankly, an enigma--you watch the guy pitch and it seems like he should be a lot better than he is.  Kenny Williams made a career out of reclaiming/resurrecting former 1st-rounders, but Hochevar might be beyond that kind of help at this point.
Sori had better numbers last year in the field, but over the course of their respective careers, Sori has been much worse.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 12:28 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:
Whoa.....let's be careful here on the value....are we sure that Sori will only accept a trade to a "contender" or as I heard there is also a geographical requirement. Does anyone know what Sori's trade acceptable teams or locations are?
Pretty sure any west coast team aside from the LAD is out b/c the flight to the Dominican Republic is too long.  Midwest, West, and South teams I think he'd be ok with geographically.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:08 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote:
Whoa.....let's be careful here on the value....are we sure that Sori will only accept a trade to a "contender" or as I heard there is also a geographical requirement. Does anyone know what Sori's trade acceptable teams or locations are?
Pretty sure any west coast team aside from the LAD is out b/c the flight to the Dominican Republic is too long.  Midwest, West, and South teams I think he'd be ok with geographically.
I have never quite understood the players who state the flight is too long to their native country when they fly all season long. That being said...looks like Tampa, whose cheap, Atlanta not known for taking on payroll and maybe Baltimore seem the most likely fits.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:42 PM

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msqboxer2011 wrote:
ARAMIS13 wrote:
msqboxer2011 wrote:
Whoa.....let's be careful here on the value....are we sure that Sori will only accept a trade to a "contender" or as I heard there is also a geographical requirement. Does anyone know what Sori's trade acceptable teams or locations are?
Pretty sure any west coast team aside from the LAD is out b/c the flight to the Dominican Republic is too long.  Midwest, West, and South teams I think he'd be ok with geographically.
I have never quite understood the players who state the flight is too long to their native country when they fly all season long. That being said...looks like Tampa, whose cheap, Atlanta not known for taking on payroll and maybe Baltimore seem the most likely fits.
Soriano has already nixed a deal to the Orioles. Granted, they might look more like contenders to him now....

Tampa is exactly the kind of fit we would want or also Atlanta..teams, like you said, that don't want to take on payroll. The Cubs are willing to make Soriano very affordable (even free) to the acquiring team if the prospect return is right. Tampa certainly has the prospect depth to make that happen. Atlanta is normally pretty deep in pitching prospects, where we are weak, so that would also seem to be a fit.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:41 PM

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Atlanta, Seattle, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York (Yankees), Texas, Tampa, and Miami all have need and could give us a package worth making the deal. The question is if Soriano would accept a deal. I think its a given that if MLB knew Sori was willing to waive his FNTC, there would be takers in a heartbeat. Soriano is a better OF than many names being bandied about in trade talk; he out-produced everyone (except Bourn) that is on the market (either FA or openly in trade talks); and would cost little in terms of $$. I think the most prohibitive thing is that GM's don't want to waste their time on a deal that will go nowhere.

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