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Cubs Minors Pitching Coach AND 1st Draft Pick

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Posted: 12/22/2012 4:00 PM

Cubs Minors Pitching Coach AND 1st Draft Pick 


I likey the Vandy pitching coach idea. Thinking outside the box and just getting what they think is the best from wherever.

The first pick guy is interesting with impressive numbers, numericals, etc.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...olumn?track=rss
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Posted: 12/23/2012 12:55 PM

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Regardless of who they take with the second pick-- picking this high I say you gotta take the best player available regardless of position-- it's great to see the focus on shoring up minor league developmernt continue. For so long its has been a double whammy of bad picks (bad scouting and a behind the times, old school system) AND horrendous player development. The call ups of Jackson and Vitters put this obvious problem on full display. Dumping Oneri Flieta and eating 3 years of that head scratching extension and getting guys like Johnsopn aboard point to a much brighter future.

As for the pick, I hope it's not a "need" selection. At the present moment, the only college pitcher I like with that high a pick is Manaea. A lefty with his stuff, frame, and projectability-- wow.

Appel strikes me as overrated. All his stuff hasn't produced dominant results after three years at one of the best coached programs in the country and Stanek has some red flags without the upside of Manaea.

The Astros once more will pass on Appel and I hope the Cubs don't bite. I love Manaea and Clint Frazier blows my socks off everytime I watch video of him. A genuine 5 tool guy, with thru the roof intangibles, and he brings it in all-star game competition, unlike Meadows. He's who I have my fingers crossed for.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 1:35 PM

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I agree you should go BPA, but I just hope the draft works out so that it's a college pitcher. This obviously goes without saying, but it would be awesome to have a Chris Sale type who is anchoring the rotation 2 years after being drafted.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 3:59 PM

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Here's some video of Manaea...me likey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COO96Em5MnE
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Posted: 12/23/2012 4:16 PM

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Posted: 12/23/2012 4:40 PM

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HolyMackeral wrote: Regardless of who they take with the second pick-- picking this high I say you gotta take the best player available regardless of position-- it's great to see the focus on shoring up minor league developmernt continue. For so long its has been a double whammy of bad picks (bad scouting and a behind the times, old school system) AND horrendous player development. The call ups of Jackson and Vitters put this obvious problem on full display. Dumping Oneri Flieta and eating 3 years of that head scratching extension and getting guys like Johnsopn aboard point to a much brighter future.

As for the pick, I hope it's not a "need" selection. At the present moment, the only college pitcher I like with that high a pick is Manaea. A lefty with his stuff, frame, and projectability-- wow.

Appel strikes me as overrated. All his stuff hasn't produced dominant results after three years at one of the best coached programs in the country and Stanek has some red flags without the upside of Manaea.

The Astros once more will pass on Appel and I hope the Cubs don't bite. I love Manaea and Clint Frazier blows my socks off everytime I watch video of him. A genuine 5 tool guy, with thru the roof intangibles, and he brings it in all-star game competition, unlike Meadows. He's who I have my fingers crossed for.
I'm with you here, but I'm afraid if the Astros pass on Appel then Manaea is the obvious choice for them and I want him over anyone else in this draft (well, so far).  The Cubs aren't in a bad position one way or the other, but I'd really like to see them in position to land an impact pitcher and I'm not a huge fan of Appel either.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 5:19 PM

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Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 6:30 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: I agree you should go BPA, but I just hope the draft works out so that it's a college pitcher. This obviously goes without saying, but it would be awesome to have a Chris Sale type who is anchoring the rotation 2 years after being drafted.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 11:11 AM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 3:29 PM

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RAMBLE wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.
Carlos Rodon would be worth it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 5:11 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.
Carlos Rodon would be worth it, but I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe someone could help me here, but under the new CBA would there be any way to add any non-cash "goodies" into a signing bonus?  In Manaea's case I'd be talking about something like a guaranteed call-up or adding him to the 40-man roster by a certain date.  Even a promise to start him out in AA might be an enticement.  Maybe things like this aren't even allowed, but I'm just trying to think of what might entice a kid to take the slotted $$ (or a bit more) instead of trying to blackmail the Cubs into blowing their entire draft allotment.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 8:42 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.
Carlos Rodon would be worth it, but I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe someone could help me here, but under the new CBA would there be any way to add any non-cash "goodies" into a signing bonus?  In Manaea's case I'd be talking about something like a guaranteed call-up or adding him to the 40-man roster by a certain date.  Even a promise to start him out in AA might be an enticement.  Maybe things like this aren't even allowed, but I'm just trying to think of what might entice a kid to take the slotted $$ (or a bit more) instead of trying to blackmail the Cubs into blowing their entire draft allotment.

I don't know whether it's allowed, but it sounds like a handshake kind of thing anyway and therefore wouldn't be written into the contract.  Grant you, it would have to be done unbeknownst to Boras.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 9:55 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.
Carlos Rodon would be worth it, but I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe someone could help me here, but under the new CBA would there be any way to add any non-cash "goodies" into a signing bonus?  In Manaea's case I'd be talking about something like a guaranteed call-up or adding him to the 40-man roster by a certain date.  Even a promise to start him out in AA might be an enticement.  Maybe things like this aren't even allowed, but I'm just trying to think of what might entice a kid to take the slotted $$ (or a bit more) instead of trying to blackmail the Cubs into blowing their entire draft allotment.

I don't know whether it's allowed, but it sounds like a handshake kind of thing anyway and therefore wouldn't be written into the contract.  Grant you, it would have to be done unbeknownst to Boras.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 5:09 PM

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RAMBLE wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.

Interesting thing about this under the new CBA.  The Mets had the 10th worst record in 2012 and the first 10 picks are protected in case one of those teams signs a Bourn type free agent.  Because the Pirates couldn't sign their first round pick in 2012, the Mets' pick falls to 11th and therefore is no longer protected.  Kind of a raw deal for teams that fall on the cusp of the top ten.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 5:20 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
RAMBLE wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Of course, Manaea is only a junior at Indiana State...and he's represented by our favorite agent, Scott Boras.  What are the odds that they try to pull an "Appel" and demand a team's entire draft $$$ allotment in exchange for giving up another year in lovely Terre Haute?  On the other hand, Appel's also a Boras client, but he'll be a graduating senior...not a lot of leverage there, unless they threaten to go to Japan or sue to overturn the current draft rules.  I'd like to see if Theo & Jed have the cojones to pick Manaea anyway; there has to be some creative way to get this kid without forfeiting the rest of the draft and potentially some of 2014's as well.
I believe if we drafted him but couldn't sign him, that we would get the close to the same pick the following year. Actually, it would be the next pick after our original spot. Example, Pirates took Appel 8th and get the 9th in this year's draft. Plus we would get our own for that year too. So, 2 picks. One being the 3rd pick.

If so, perhaps in that draft players would be even better. And that strategy could pay off.

Interesting thing about this under the new CBA.  The Mets had the 10th worst record in 2012 and the first 10 picks are protected in case one of those teams signs a Bourn type free agent.  Because the Pirates couldn't sign their first round pick in 2012, the Mets' pick falls to 11th and therefore is no longer protected.  Kind of a raw deal for teams that fall on the cusp of the top ten.
Heard on the radio that the Mets may get that overturned either by petitioning the Commissioner or having the Players Union protest it.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:43 PM

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Some options with summaries for the 2nd pick
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog...ubs-draft-picks
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:13 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: Some options with summaries for the 2nd pick
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog...ubs-draft-picks

So Appel has drawn comparisons with David Price, Manaea with Chris Sale and Frazier with Mike Trout.  If they do end up warranting those comps I would pick Trout and try to trade for the real Price next year.
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