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Dissolve the Cubs and have a dispersal draft for their players

  • jb95695
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:36 PM

Dissolve the Cubs and have a dispersal draft for their players 


It's shameful what type of product this team put on the field last year and this coming year could be even worse. There's not one sign that they are attempting to improve. Why put fans through another 100 loss season? Because they can and fans will continue getting screwed.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:10 PM

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jb95695 wrote: It's shameful what type of product this team put on the field last year and this coming year could be even worse. There's not one sign that they are attempting to improve. Why put fans through another 100 loss season? Because they can and fans will continue getting screwed.
seriously. stop the trolling.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:14 PM

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Agree. There should be a rule that if you don't win a championship at least once a century your franchise is dissolved. It appears Epstein's approach to building a team is the same one used by the chick in Major League. I'm pretty confident that once spring training rolls around we'll find that one of the invited players is actually dead.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:28 PM

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youre guys opinions are worthless. if ur so smart why are you sitting at home and theo is making millions. shut up please bcuz u will ruin the only good substainable management we have had in years.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:55 PM

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LOL! Hey tell Ricketts to give me a call. I guarantee I can also put together a 100 loss team, but I'll do it for a third of the salary Epstein is stealing from him.

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youre guys opinions are worthless. if ur so smart why are you sitting at home and theo is making millions. shut up please bcuz u will ruin the only good substainable management we have had in years.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 4:02 AM

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gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:00 AM

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jb is one of the biggest trolls on scout. He never has anything good to say about any of his "teams". In time you'll never hear anything from him again.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:11 AM

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The title could have been phrased better but the idea of not making a huge effort to improve the 2013 team is correct. Even the Theo lovers that back the plan have written off 2013.

This has been a small market off-season approach so far. The off-season total for 8 players is $23.85 million

Additions so far -
two starters Scott Baker and Scott Feldman
three relievers Kyuji Fujikawa, Shawn Camp and Rondon
one outfielder Schierholtz
a third baseman Stewart 
backup catcher Dioner Navarro

Since most are giving up on 2013 which of these players has you excited for 2014 and beyond ?
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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:52 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: The title could have been phrased better but the idea of not making a huge effort to improve the 2013 team is correct. Even the Theo lovers that back the plan have written off 2013.

This has been a small market off-season approach so far. The off-season total for 8 players is $23.85 million

Additions so far -
two starters Scott Baker and Scott Feldman
three relievers Kyuji Fujikawa, Shawn Camp and Rondon
one outfielder Schierholtz
a third baseman Stewart 
backup catcher Dioner Navarro

Since most are giving up on 2013 which of these players has you excited for 2014 and beyond ?
Obviously none of them really do.  There is no doubt that this rebuilding project is frustrating, but I'm willing to give it a chance.  Nothing else has worked in my lifetime.  Overpaying for guys for what they've done in the past is what most of us know the Cubs as.  Will Theo's plan work?  I have no idea, but I'm willing to give it a shot.  If it doesn't work in 2-3 years, then I will admit it was a bad plan.  Then you, and a few others can gloat and say, "I told you so."  If it does work, I hope you and a few others can say, "I was wrong and shouldn't have questioned these guys."  We don't know how it's going to turn out.  It's not a lot of fun right now, for sure.  But, I'm willing to give it a chance.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:07 AM

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It takes time to rebuild. Would a player like Hamilton make this team a playoff contender? I doubt it, plus he would eat up valuable money when the time comes to resign the young players that are worth keeping. There is no offseason fix this year if you ask me. You can add Greinke, Hamilton, and Bourne and you still are’nt going to win. Yes the team would be improved, but is it worth over 400 million dollars of guaranteed money for the next 5-10 years? For players who are all over 30?

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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:35 AM

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I would like nothing more than to see the Cubs start winning, but there is nothing in the pipeline that would suggest they will or can. It takes four great or very reliable starting pitchers to win the World Series ( SF Giants). The Cubs do not currently have even a fourth starter they could come in and start for the Giants. The minors has no saviors on the horizon. Call me a troll if you like, it's better than being a homer that can't see what this team is doing. Ricketts bought this team and is using it as an ATM machine for his other ventures. I have been a Cub fan since the late 60's and feel I have earned the right to speak the truth.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:46 AM

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jb95695 wrote: I would like nothing more than to see the Cubs start winning, but there is nothing in the pipeline that would suggest they will or can. It takes four great or very reliable starting pitchers to win the World Series ( SF Giants). The Cubs do not currently have even a fourth starter they could come in and start for the Giants. The minors has no saviors on the horizon. Call me a troll if you like, it's better than being a homer that can't see what this team is doing. Ricketts bought this team and is using it as an ATM machine for his other ventures. I have been a Cub fan since the late 60's and feel I have earned the right to speak the truth.
This is the most productive post you've ever made here. 
I'm not exactly sure what you meant in your post, but I think MG or JS could start for the Giants. 
I'm not a homer at all.  I'm just not rushing to conclusions on this rebuild.  If it fails, I'll admit I was wrong.  Then you can still claim that you're smarter than everyone else on how to rebuild.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:47 AM

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The idea that if a team doesn't have a huge payroll it means the owners are just pocketing the money and spending it on cocaine and prostitutes is one of the stupidest message board/talk radio isms out there. People really think that the only way to spend money towards a winning franchise is to have a $150 million payroll each and every season. It's so freaking short sighted and small minded that it makes me wonder if people have ever had to manage any kind of budget at all, let alone knowing the ins and out of how to run a successful baseball franchise.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:13 AM

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I agree with you, and I find it frustrating as well.  However, as customer and fan, we should not be expected to understand the difficulties of running the team.  The idea that the Cubs have to completely tear it down to compete in the NL Central is laughable. 

I would like the Cubs to trade DeJesus and Soriano.  Continue to add to the farm system.  Sign Josh Hamilton to a 4 year $100 million deal.  Sign another starter and try to win 83 games and get the second wildcard.

If Hamilton's deal turns out poorly, you eat the contract and continue on the plan.  It just does not matter that much if its a bad contract in year 4.  This team has the ability to spend $150 million and more.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:18 AM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: The idea that if a team doesn't have a huge payroll it means the owners are just pocketing the money and spending it on cocaine and prostitutes is one of the stupidest message board/talk radio isms out there. People really think that the only way to spend money towards a winning franchise is to have a $150 million payroll each and every season. It's so freaking short sighted and small minded that it makes me wonder if people have ever had to manage any kind of budget at all, let alone knowing the ins and out of how to run a successful baseball franchise.
 The Cubs are a big market team with small market players.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:40 AM

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CoachK34 wrote:
Obviously none of them really do.  There is no doubt that this rebuilding project is frustrating, but I'm willing to give it a chance.  Nothing else has worked in my lifetime.  Overpaying for guys for what they've done in the past is what most of us know the Cubs as.  Will Theo's plan work?  I have no idea, but I'm willing to give it a shot.  If it doesn't work in 2-3 years, then I will admit it was a bad plan.  Then you, and a few others can gloat and say, "I told you so."  If it does work, I hope you and a few others can say, "I was wrong and shouldn't have questioned these guys."  We don't know how it's going to turn out.  It's not a lot of fun right now, for sure.  But, I'm willing to give it a chance.
So none of the acquisitions are going to help in 2014 and beyond and yet your optomistic about the rebuild.

Do you like the strategy of acquiring pitchers coming off TJ surgery ? Baker, Vizcaino, Rondon

Do you like picking up players coming off down years or other injuries ? Stewart, Dejesus, Feldman, etc

I wanted Hendry gone and a new fresh approach - Going after injured or players coming off down years to hope to flip for prospects was not what I expected.

I was hoping for creative trades like the Rizzo move. I expected a focus on good drafts and adding int'l players like Soler. Player development and building the farm should be a priority and it is with the Cubs and 90% of the league. I still hope for a couple moves that can improve the team long term this off-season.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:25 AM

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papa46 wrote: I agree with you, and I find it frustrating as well.  However, as customer and fan, we should not be expected to understand the difficulties of running the team.  The idea that the Cubs have to completely tear it down to compete in the NL Central is laughable. 

I would like the Cubs to trade DeJesus and Soriano.  Continue to add to the farm system.  Sign Josh Hamilton to a 4 year $100 million deal.  Sign another starter and try to win 83 games and get the second wildcard.

If Hamilton's deal turns out poorly, you eat the contract and continue on the plan.  It just does not matter that much if its a bad contract in year 4.  This team has the ability to spend $150 million and more.

Just another example I am happy your not running the team.......
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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:40 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
CoachK34 wrote:
Obviously none of them really do.  There is no doubt that this rebuilding project is frustrating, but I'm willing to give it a chance.  Nothing else has worked in my lifetime.  Overpaying for guys for what they've done in the past is what most of us know the Cubs as.  Will Theo's plan work?  I have no idea, but I'm willing to give it a shot.  If it doesn't work in 2-3 years, then I will admit it was a bad plan.  Then you, and a few others can gloat and say, "I told you so."  If it does work, I hope you and a few others can say, "I was wrong and shouldn't have questioned these guys."  We don't know how it's going to turn out.  It's not a lot of fun right now, for sure.  But, I'm willing to give it a chance.
So none of the acquisitions are going to help in 2014 and beyond and yet your optomistic about the rebuild.

Do you like the strategy of acquiring pitchers coming off TJ surgery ? Baker, Vizcaino, Rondon

Do you like picking up players coming off down years or other injuries ? Stewart, Dejesus, Feldman, etc

I wanted Hendry gone and a new fresh approach - Going after injured or players coming off down years to hope to flip for prospects was not what I expected.

I was hoping for creative trades like the Rizzo move. I expected a focus on good drafts and adding int'l players like Soler. Player development and building the farm should be a priority and it is with the Cubs and 90% of the league. I still hope for a couple moves that can improve the team long term this off-season.
I just said this part is not fun and frustrating, but it is obviously part of their plan.  It $ucks that I have to watch another year of bad baseball, but if it means that we're going to be good for a long time in the near future, I can live with it.  None of us really know what this plan is.  I'm putting my money on the FO that they are smarter than me or any of us.  If in 2-3 years it doesn't work, I'll be the in line wanting them gone.  I'll admit I was wrong in believing in them.  I understand some want results now and to be more competitive now.  Thats not their plan.  You either have to live with it or find a new team to follow.  No matter what any of us thinks, this is what they are going to do.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:50 AM

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papa46 wrote: I agree with you, and I find it frustrating as well.  However, as customer and fan, we should not be expected to understand the difficulties of running the team.  The idea that the Cubs have to completely tear it down to compete in the NL Central is laughable. 

I would like the Cubs to trade DeJesus and Soriano.  Continue to add to the farm system.  Sign Josh Hamilton to a 4 year $100 million deal.  Sign another starter and try to win 83 games and get the second wildcard.

If Hamilton's deal turns out poorly, you eat the contract and continue on the plan.  It just does not matter that much if its a bad contract in year 4.  This team has the ability to spend $150 million and more.
Dude, I understand the argument that the Cubs are a large market team and can spend more but not even the Yankees would do some crazy crap like that.  When a large market team quibbles over 4-5 million it irks me, but good God, saying they shouldn't sweat 50-100 million dollars is insane.  Let's keep at least a tenuous grip on reality here.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:53 AM

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CoachK34 wrote: None of us really know what this plan is.  I'm putting my money on the FO that they are smarter than me or any of us. 
They been pretty honest since Day 1 about it. Ditto for Ricketts for that matter.

Patrick Mooney was on Comcast Sportsnet the other night and talk about besides the Cubs looking to add more young core players as they done over the past two years, look to them to continue adding hard throwing pitchers. You get the sense the way the Cubs brass is almost obsessed with hard throwing pitchers, that is one of the most glaring weaknesses they found when they did a top to bottom internal review of the organization over the past year.

I find that kinda of ironic considering there was a time in the Hendry Era is when all the Cubs had where hard throwing pitchers in the system. It makes sense though. Seems like every pitcher the Cubs have brought the past few years are like Randy Wells and couldn't break a glass window.

Edit: And of course, they are smarter then any of us or any poster or any blogger when it comes to running a baseball team. That is why they are professional baseball executives and that is why were just geeky deeky fans.  If any of us were smarter then them, we would be running a team and not be on here. Just in keep in mind, there are only 32 baseball teams and therefore, only a couple hundred jobs in terms of being a true MLB executives. Yet there are millions and millions of pathetic individuals who all think they are GM's. I think most people though still have the good sense to know where they stand in this matter though some including a few on here truly think are dillusional enough to think they are baseball executives. Funny how they are the ones always screaming the loudest about how the executives are a bunch of idiots but when you push them into a corner and asked them to come up with a realistic answer, they give you something full of BS that even the AI on MLB12 would not allow. Hell, I heard some ideas on here so luxurious the computer mind laugh at it. biggrin

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