Posted: 12/6/2012 9:36 PM
Posted: 12/6/2012 10:10 PM
jb95695 wrote: It's shameful what type of product this team put on the field last year and this coming year could be even worse. There's not one sign that they are attempting to improve. Why put fans through another 100 loss season? Because they can and fans will continue getting screwed.
Posted: 12/6/2012 10:14 PM
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Posted: 12/7/2012 4:02 AM
Posted: 12/7/2012 8:00 AM
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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:52 AM
cubs2007 wrote: The title could have been phrased better but the idea of not making a huge effort to improve the 2013 team is correct. Even the Theo lovers that back the plan have written off 2013.This has been a small market off-season approach so far. The off-season total for 8 players is $23.85 millionAdditions so far -two starters Scott Baker and Scott Feldmanthree relievers Kyuji Fujikawa, Shawn Camp and Rondonone outfielder Schierholtza third baseman Stewart backup catcher Dioner NavarroSince most are giving up on 2013 which of these players has you excited for 2014 and beyond ?
Posted: 12/7/2012 9:07 AM
It takes time to rebuild. Would a player like Hamilton make this team a playoff contender? I doubt it, plus he would eat up valuable money when the time comes to resign the young players that are worth keeping. There is no offseason fix this year if you ask me. You can add Greinke, Hamilton, and Bourne and you still are’nt going to win. Yes the team would be improved, but is it worth over 400 million dollars of guaranteed money for the next 5-10 years? For players who are all over 30?
Posted: 12/7/2012 9:35 AM
Posted: 12/7/2012 9:46 AM
jb95695 wrote: I would like nothing more than to see the Cubs start winning, but there is nothing in the pipeline that would suggest they will or can. It takes four great or very reliable starting pitchers to win the World Series ( SF Giants). The Cubs do not currently have even a fourth starter they could come in and start for the Giants. The minors has no saviors on the horizon. Call me a troll if you like, it's better than being a homer that can't see what this team is doing. Ricketts bought this team and is using it as an ATM machine for his other ventures. I have been a Cub fan since the late 60's and feel I have earned the right to speak the truth.
Posted: 12/7/2012 9:47 AM
Posted: 12/7/2012 10:13 AM
Posted: 12/7/2012 10:18 AM
DoubleDown11 wrote: The idea that if a team doesn't have a huge payroll it means the owners are just pocketing the money and spending it on cocaine and prostitutes is one of the stupidest message board/talk radio isms out there. People really think that the only way to spend money towards a winning franchise is to have a $150 million payroll each and every season. It's so freaking short sighted and small minded that it makes me wonder if people have ever had to manage any kind of budget at all, let alone knowing the ins and out of how to run a successful baseball franchise.
Posted: 12/7/2012 10:40 AM
CoachK34 wrote: Obviously none of them really do. There is no doubt that this rebuilding project is frustrating, but I'm willing to give it a chance. Nothing else has worked in my lifetime. Overpaying for guys for what they've done in the past is what most of us know the Cubs as. Will Theo's plan work? I have no idea, but I'm willing to give it a shot. If it doesn't work in 2-3 years, then I will admit it was a bad plan. Then you, and a few others can gloat and say, "I told you so." If it does work, I hope you and a few others can say, "I was wrong and shouldn't have questioned these guys." We don't know how it's going to turn out. It's not a lot of fun right now, for sure. But, I'm willing to give it a chance.
Posted: 12/7/2012 11:25 AM
papa46 wrote: I agree with you, and I find it frustrating as well. However, as customer and fan, we should not be expected to understand the difficulties of running the team. The idea that the Cubs have to completely tear it down to compete in the NL Central is laughable. I would like the Cubs to trade DeJesus and Soriano. Continue to add to the farm system. Sign Josh Hamilton to a 4 year $100 million deal. Sign another starter and try to win 83 games and get the second wildcard.If Hamilton's deal turns out poorly, you eat the contract and continue on the plan. It just does not matter that much if its a bad contract in year 4. This team has the ability to spend $150 million and more.
Posted: 12/7/2012 11:40 AM
cubs2007 wrote: CoachK34 wrote: Obviously none of them really do. There is no doubt that this rebuilding project is frustrating, but I'm willing to give it a chance. Nothing else has worked in my lifetime. Overpaying for guys for what they've done in the past is what most of us know the Cubs as. Will Theo's plan work? I have no idea, but I'm willing to give it a shot. If it doesn't work in 2-3 years, then I will admit it was a bad plan. Then you, and a few others can gloat and say, "I told you so." If it does work, I hope you and a few others can say, "I was wrong and shouldn't have questioned these guys." We don't know how it's going to turn out. It's not a lot of fun right now, for sure. But, I'm willing to give it a chance.So none of the acquisitions are going to help in 2014 and beyond and yet your optomistic about the rebuild. Do you like the strategy of acquiring pitchers coming off TJ surgery ? Baker, Vizcaino, RondonDo you like picking up players coming off down years or other injuries ? Stewart, Dejesus, Feldman, etcI wanted Hendry gone and a new fresh approach - Going after injured or players coming off down years to hope to flip for prospects was not what I expected.I was hoping for creative trades like the Rizzo move. I expected a focus on good drafts and adding int'l players like Soler. Player development and building the farm should be a priority and it is with the Cubs and 90% of the league. I still hope for a couple moves that can improve the team long term this off-season.
Posted: 12/7/2012 11:50 AM
Posted: 12/7/2012 11:53 AM
CoachK34 wrote: None of us really know what this plan is. I'm putting my money on the FO that they are smarter than me or any of us.
Last edited 12/7/2012 12:00 PM by PorkChopExpress12
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