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Winter Meetings News and Signings....

Posted: 12/3/2012 1:27 PM

Winter Meetings News and Signings.... 


http://mlb.si.com/2012/12/03/m...3&eref=sihp

If last year was just a blip on the screen, then the Red Sox made a great signing.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:23 PM

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Giants keep Pagan - 1 less OF option for the Cubs
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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:45 PM

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Some winter meetings rumors have the Cubs pursuing Jason Grilli
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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:33 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: Giants keep Pagan - 1 less OF option for the Cubs
4/40 for a 31 year old Pagan- NO THANKS
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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:48 PM

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absolutebadger wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Giants keep Pagan - 1 less OF option for the Cubs
4/40 for a 31 year old Pagan- NO THANKS
Would you rather have Bourn ?
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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:58 PM

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would rather have neither honestly.  

I'd be interested in Ryan Sweeney.   No pop, but his OBP has been around .340-.350 aside from last year.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 5:11 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
absolutebadger wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Giants keep Pagan - 1 less OF option for the Cubs
4/40 for a 31 year old Pagan- NO THANKS
Would you rather have Bourn ?
I would love Bourn at 4/40, but he wants a 100 million. Because he wants a 100 million doesn't make me like Pagan at 4/40 any more. If Pagan was 28....
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:05 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote: would rather have neither honestly.  

I'd be interested in Ryan Sweeney.   No pop, but his OBP has been around .340-.350 aside from last year.
My money is on Sweeney being the added OF.  I'm sure they'll look into trades but I just don't see the Cubs prying loose a top prospect/MLB ready talent for what they are gonna be willing to give up.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:05 PM

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Geo Soto re-signs with the Rangers.  Good move for him, hope he can start hitting again.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:20 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote: would rather have neither honestly.  

I'd be interested in Ryan Sweeney.   No pop, but his OBP has been around .340-.350 aside from last year.

Why would we want an OF with no discernible speed or pop and a mediocre OBP?
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:44 PM

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SPOONER wrote:
ARAMIS13 wrote: would rather have neither honestly.  

I'd be interested in Ryan Sweeney.   No pop, but his OBP has been around .340-.350 aside from last year.

Why would we want an OF with no discernible speed or pop and a mediocre OBP?
No kidding, Sweeney and DeJesus in the OF would be painful to watch at the plate.  Cubs aren't just shopping for non-tenders are they?
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:50 PM

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doughboy981 wrote:
SPOONER wrote:
ARAMIS13 wrote: would rather have neither honestly.  

I'd be interested in Ryan Sweeney.   No pop, but his OBP has been around .340-.350 aside from last year.

Why would we want an OF with no discernible speed or pop and a mediocre OBP?
No kidding, Sweeney and DeJesus in the OF would be painful to watch at the plate.  Cubs aren't just shopping for non-tenders are they?
They're trying to finish in last place this season to get the chance to draft Carlos Rodon!  Not really, but getting him would be unreal.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:12 PM

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SPOONER wrote:
ARAMIS13 wrote: would rather have neither honestly.  

I'd be interested in Ryan Sweeney.   No pop, but his OBP has been around .340-.350 aside from last year.

Why would we want an OF with no discernible speed or pop and a mediocre OBP?
Bleh, after your post I looked at him again, not sure what I was looking at before, but I retract what I said and agree with you.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:38 PM

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No kidding, Sweeney and DeJesus in the OF would be painful to watch at the plate.  Cubs aren't just shopping for non-tenders are they?
Whoa...easy there big guy. Dejesus is a much better player than Sweeney.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 4:10 AM

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DeJesus was one of the (statistically) worst corner OF in the National league last year. He possesses neither speed nor power. Pairing him with another one of those would be counter-productive. His good (not great) defense is a plus, as is his above-average baseball IQ. I think he's one of the 2013 'flip' candidates for July, not anything more. Certainly not worth adding a carbon-copy on the 25-man.

If we add a starting OF, I would like to see either (a) a guy who can lead-off, (b) a guy who can give us 20+ HR, or (c) a guy who can get on base at an above-average clip AND provide above-average defense. In a market that favors pitching and is weak in position players, we'll either have to overpay ($$ or prospects) to get a guy that's not a stop-gap. If we're going to go the 'stop-gap' route and use 2013 to collect more prospects (ala 2012), I'd just assume the fanbase be spared the drama and disappointment. Truth be told, we could do a LOT worse than giving Campana a legitimate shot at adjusting to MLB pitching and holding down CF for a year. If he can do it, he's a LOT cheaper than the FA's out there, not to mention as fast as Bourn (if not faster). If he can't adjust, are we REALLY worse off? It isn't like Dave Sappelt is going to step in and hit .300 (or hit 20 HR or steal 30 bases), and the brass clearly isn't ready or willing to drop down on a franchise/investment kind of player (the overpay to get 'em type).

I have modest hopes of our Cubbies not sucking as abysmally as we did in 2012, but thus far we are not on a path to that... and am growing tired of the "due diligence" sound bites coming out of Theo/Hoyer of late. We've added 2 #5 starters, a quality back-up catcher, and a (hopefully) solid late-inning relief option. Hardly staggering improvement, but a start...

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 12/4/2012 7:54 AM

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mindbodyspirit wrote: DeJesus was one of the (statistically) worst corner OF in the National league last year. He possesses neither speed nor power. Pairing him with another one of those would be counter-productive. His good (not great) defense is a plus, as is his above-average baseball IQ. I think he's one of the 2013 'flip' candidates for July, not anything more. Certainly not worth adding a carbon-copy on the 25-man.

If we add a starting OF, I would like to see either (a) a guy who can lead-off, (b) a guy who can give us 20+ HR, or (c) a guy who can get on base at an above-average clip AND provide above-average defense. In a market that favors pitching and is weak in position players, we'll either have to overpay ($$ or prospects) to get a guy that's not a stop-gap. If we're going to go the 'stop-gap' route and use 2013 to collect more prospects (ala 2012), I'd just assume the fanbase be spared the drama and disappointment. Truth be told, we could do a LOT worse than giving Campana a legitimate shot at adjusting to MLB pitching and holding down CF for a year. If he can do it, he's a LOT cheaper than the FA's out there, not to mention as fast as Bourn (if not faster). If he can't adjust, are we REALLY worse off? It isn't like Dave Sappelt is going to step in and hit .300 (or hit 20 HR or steal 30 bases), and the brass clearly isn't ready or willing to drop down on a franchise/investment kind of player (the overpay to get 'em type).

I have modest hopes of our Cubbies not sucking as abysmally as we did in 2012, but thus far we are not on a path to that... and am growing tired of the "due diligence" sound bites coming out of Theo/Hoyer of late. We've added 2 #5 starters, a quality back-up catcher, and a (hopefully) solid late-inning relief option. Hardly staggering improvement, but a start...
According to Carrie Muskat:

The Cubs are in the market for an outfielder, preferably someone to play right, which would move David DeJesus to center. 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl...rtnerId=rss_chc


DeJesus's offensive numbers are acceptable for a CF, having an OPS higher than BJ Upton. Plus, if they want they can platoon him with a guy to face lefties, because DeJesus's OPS against righties is .826.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:30 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
mindbodyspirit wrote: DeJesus was one of the (statistically) worst corner OF in the National league last year. He possesses neither speed nor power. Pairing him with another one of those would be counter-productive. His good (not great) defense is a plus, as is his above-average baseball IQ. I think he's one of the 2013 'flip' candidates for July, not anything more. Certainly not worth adding a carbon-copy on the 25-man.

If we add a starting OF, I would like to see either (a) a guy who can lead-off, (b) a guy who can give us 20+ HR, or (c) a guy who can get on base at an above-average clip AND provide above-average defense. In a market that favors pitching and is weak in position players, we'll either have to overpay ($$ or prospects) to get a guy that's not a stop-gap. If we're going to go the 'stop-gap' route and use 2013 to collect more prospects (ala 2012), I'd just assume the fanbase be spared the drama and disappointment. Truth be told, we could do a LOT worse than giving Campana a legitimate shot at adjusting to MLB pitching and holding down CF for a year. If he can do it, he's a LOT cheaper than the FA's out there, not to mention as fast as Bourn (if not faster). If he can't adjust, are we REALLY worse off? It isn't like Dave Sappelt is going to step in and hit .300 (or hit 20 HR or steal 30 bases), and the brass clearly isn't ready or willing to drop down on a franchise/investment kind of player (the overpay to get 'em type).

I have modest hopes of our Cubbies not sucking as abysmally as we did in 2012, but thus far we are not on a path to that... and am growing tired of the "due diligence" sound bites coming out of Theo/Hoyer of late. We've added 2 #5 starters, a quality back-up catcher, and a (hopefully) solid late-inning relief option. Hardly staggering improvement, but a start...
According to Carrie Muskat:

The Cubs are in the market for an outfielder, preferably someone to play right, which would move David DeJesus to center. 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl...rtnerId=rss_chc


DeJesus's offensive numbers are acceptable for a CF, having an OPS higher than BJ Upton. Plus, if they want they can platoon him with a guy to face lefties, because DeJesus's OPS against righties is .826.
Dejesus OPS against lefties .438 - as MBS points out he was one of the lowest ranked RF's in baseball last year. Hoyer just a month ago wanted to keep Dejesus in RF because at the time the organization did not think his defense was good enough for CF. Looks like they are flip flopping on their evaluation.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:56 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
mindbodyspirit wrote: DeJesus was one of the (statistically) worst corner OF in the National league last year. He possesses neither speed nor power. Pairing him with another one of those would be counter-productive. His good (not great) defense is a plus, as is his above-average baseball IQ. I think he's one of the 2013 'flip' candidates for July, not anything more. Certainly not worth adding a carbon-copy on the 25-man.

If we add a starting OF, I would like to see either (a) a guy who can lead-off, (b) a guy who can give us 20+ HR, or (c) a guy who can get on base at an above-average clip AND provide above-average defense. In a market that favors pitching and is weak in position players, we'll either have to overpay ($$ or prospects) to get a guy that's not a stop-gap. If we're going to go the 'stop-gap' route and use 2013 to collect more prospects (ala 2012), I'd just assume the fanbase be spared the drama and disappointment. Truth be told, we could do a LOT worse than giving Campana a legitimate shot at adjusting to MLB pitching and holding down CF for a year. If he can do it, he's a LOT cheaper than the FA's out there, not to mention as fast as Bourn (if not faster). If he can't adjust, are we REALLY worse off? It isn't like Dave Sappelt is going to step in and hit .300 (or hit 20 HR or steal 30 bases), and the brass clearly isn't ready or willing to drop down on a franchise/investment kind of player (the overpay to get 'em type).

I have modest hopes of our Cubbies not sucking as abysmally as we did in 2012, but thus far we are not on a path to that... and am growing tired of the "due diligence" sound bites coming out of Theo/Hoyer of late. We've added 2 #5 starters, a quality back-up catcher, and a (hopefully) solid late-inning relief option. Hardly staggering improvement, but a start...
According to Carrie Muskat:

The Cubs are in the market for an outfielder, preferably someone to play right, which would move David DeJesus to center. 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl...rtnerId=rss_chc


DeJesus's offensive numbers are acceptable for a CF, having an OPS higher than BJ Upton. Plus, if they want they can platoon him with a guy to face lefties, because DeJesus's OPS against righties is .826.
Dejesus OPS against lefties .438 - as MBS points out he was one of the lowest ranked RF's in baseball last year. Hoyer just a month ago wanted to keep Dejesus in RF because at the time the organization did not think his defense was good enough for CF. Looks like they are flip flopping on their evaluation.
Right, the low OPS against Lefties and the high OPS against righties makes him a great platoon candidate. That said, if they choose not to do that, his OPS is still higher than Upton's. Defense is in the Upton-range as well. Neither are exactly Bourn.

One reason they might consider DeJesus at CF is to raise his value in a trade. Another is that it will be much cheaper/easier for them to find a power bat for RF than at CF.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:13 AM

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On a different front, the Nationals just made a smart move: Dan Haren for 1 year (pending physical).

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/nationals-ag ree-to-sign-dan-haren.html

Cheers!

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 12/4/2012 11:44 AM

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mindbodyspirit wrote: On a different front, the Nationals just made a smart move: Dan Haren for 1 year (pending physical).

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/nationals-ag ree-to-sign-dan-haren.html

Cheers!

speaking of the Nationals...If the Nats resign LaRoache..Mike Morse would be a nice fit in the Cub's dugout.. His player profile lists him as  as a 1B,Lf and ss....http://www.baseball-reference....www.typepad.com.. at 245# if he has the arm and mobility for ss he can surely play 3b in a platoon with Vabuena.. He could eventually move to Lf after Soriano is traded or fades away? just thinking outside the box
the probability is small and just one example of a posibility.. Nats are looking for bullpen help..Cub's are shopping Marmoul..
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