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Jair Jurrjens

Posted: 12/1/2012 1:51 PM

Jair Jurrjens 


Am I the only one that will predict that the Cubs will be signing him shortly??
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Posted: 12/1/2012 3:09 PM

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Yes lol. Sorry I don't see it happening.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 3:33 PM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote: Yes lol. Sorry I don't see it happening.
I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:27 PM

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He does seem like a potential target.  Guys like Jurrjens and Feldman want to sign with a team that will pretty much guarantee them a start every 5 days so they can re-establish their careers.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:24 AM

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I'd go for it. He's had some pretty good seasons and only 26. If you can sign him on the cheap it could be a great signing.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:41 AM

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zighawk73 wrote: I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.

I agree it's a good fit and be happy if the Cubs made the acquistion but for some reason I don't see it happening. Just call it a hunch.

 

I hope I am wrong because Jurrjens would be a great reward/no risk pickup.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:25 AM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.

I agree it's a good fit and be happy if the Cubs made the acquistion but for some reason I don't see it happening. Just call it a hunch.

 

I hope I am wrong because Jurrjens would be a great reward/no risk pickup.

Juujens is not better than any of the current starting 5. He would have trouble being better than any of Iowa's starting 5.  Pass
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:36 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.

I agree it's a good fit and be happy if the Cubs made the acquistion but for some reason I don't see it happening. Just call it a hunch.

 

I hope I am wrong because Jurrjens would be a great reward/no risk pickup.

Juujens is not better than any of the current starting 5. He would have trouble being better than any of Iowa's starting 5.  Pass

If he isn't healthy, sure.  But look at the seasons he's put up AND he only turns 27 in January.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:27 PM

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SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.

I agree it's a good fit and be happy if the Cubs made the acquistion but for some reason I don't see it happening. Just call it a hunch.

 

I hope I am wrong because Jurrjens would be a great reward/no risk pickup.

Juujens is not better than any of the current starting 5. He would have trouble being better than any of Iowa's starting 5.  Pass

If he isn't healthy, sure.  But look at the seasons he's put up AND he only turns 27 in January.
That's the question. I trust Altanta to know their pitchers...clearly he wasn't 'worth' the $6M and change he might have cost them for 2013. He was very good a few years back; would want to know more about his health and what the heck happened to him.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:50 PM

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SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.

I agree it's a good fit and be happy if the Cubs made the acquistion but for some reason I don't see it happening. Just call it a hunch.

 

I hope I am wrong because Jurrjens would be a great reward/no risk pickup.

Juujens is not better than any of the current starting 5. He would have trouble being better than any of Iowa's starting 5.  Pass

If he isn't healthy, sure.  But look at the seasons he's put up AND he only turns 27 in January.
I don't think Atlanta lets him go if he is healthy
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:29 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:That's the question. I trust Altanta to know their pitchers...clearly he wasn't 'worth' the $6M and change he might have cost them for 2013. He was very good a few years back; would want to know more about his health and what the heck happened to him.
I wouldn't be opposed if they give him a minimum deal and see if he can rehab. Obviously it has to be an injury where he can come back from but there is no harm in giving a guy with Jurrjens a shot if the investment is low.

Think of it this way. If he wasn't hurt, would be even be on the Cubs radar possibly?

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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:19 PM

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PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:That's the question. I trust Altanta to know their pitchers...clearly he wasn't 'worth' the $6M and change he might have cost them for 2013. He was very good a few years back; would want to know more about his health and what the heck happened to him.
I wouldn't be opposed if they give him a minimum deal and see if he can rehab. Obviously it has to be an injury where he can come back from but there is no harm in giving a guy with Jurrjens a shot if the investment is low.

Think of it this way. If he wasn't hurt, would be even be on the Cubs radar possibly?
Where do you want him to rehab ? In AAA you have Raley, Rusin, Struck, Cabrerra & Vizcaino and maybe others that need to start.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:39 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:That's the question. I trust Altanta to know their pitchers...clearly he wasn't 'worth' the $6M and change he might have cost them for 2013. He was very good a few years back; would want to know more about his health and what the heck happened to him.
I wouldn't be opposed if they give him a minimum deal and see if he can rehab. Obviously it has to be an injury where he can come back from but there is no harm in giving a guy with Jurrjens a shot if the investment is low.

Think of it this way. If he wasn't hurt, would be even be on the Cubs radar possibly?
Where do you want him to rehab ? In AAA you have Raley, Rusin, Struck, Cabrerra & Vizcaino and maybe others that need to start.
Well, that one's a no-brainer. Jurrjens put up an ERA under 3 in the big leagues as recently as 2011. He can take Raley or Rusin or Struck's spot and I won't lose too much sleep over it. Heck, take one or more of those guys we just mentioned and bring them up to try them in the bullpen. The Rangers had success with that approach with CJ Wilson.

The advantage the Cubs have in signing Jurrjens over other teams if they want to are (and yes Porkchop the Cubs do have some advantages here):

(1)Big market town (if he likes that. if he doesn't like that, then clearly not an advantage).

and the biggest advantage

(2)Greater confidence that he will pitch in the majors. Sign with the Braves and they are deep in pitching...you might flounder in AAA until they trade you somewhere. If you can't crack the Cubs starting rotation, especially after they ship Garza, Feldman and/or Baker, then you are probably done with baseball, at least as a starter.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:44 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote: The advantage the Cubs have in signing Jurrjens over other teams if they want to are (and yes Porkchop the Cubs do have some advantages here):

(1)Big market town (if he likes that. if he doesn't like that, then clearly not an advantage).

and the biggest advantage

(2)Greater confidence that he will pitch in the majors. Sign with the Braves and they are deep in pitching...you might flounder in AAA until they trade you somewhere. If you can't crack the Cubs starting rotation, especially after they ship Garza, Feldman and/or Baker, then you are probably done with baseball, at least as a starter.
I meant it more what if he wasn't hurt and was available. A player of Jurrjens ability would not be on the Cubs radar unless it was a situation like this. He be too expensive.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:07 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: Where do you want him to rehab ? In AAA you have Raley, Rusin, Struck, Cabrerra & Vizcaino and maybe others that need to start.

Yeah it is just sooooo important that Raley, Struck and Rusin get their innings in.  And it isn't like there aren't innings to be had in the Cubs system elsewhere.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:29 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
PorkChopExpress12 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: I am not going to predict it, but he seems right in line with the FOs thinking.  Young, talented and coming off a down year.  That the Braves gave up on him is a bit alarming but I'm curious as to why you think it is a no brainer that they won't get him.

I agree it's a good fit and be happy if the Cubs made the acquistion but for some reason I don't see it happening. Just call it a hunch.

 

I hope I am wrong because Jurrjens would be a great reward/no risk pickup.

Juujens is not better than any of the current starting 5. He would have trouble being better than any of Iowa's starting 5.  Pass
Don't spend as much time on here anymore but I can see someone has not gotten any smarter, hmmm wonder who I am talking about.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:21 AM

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SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Where do you want him to rehab ? In AAA you have Raley, Rusin, Struck, Cabrerra & Vizcaino and maybe others that need to start.

Yeah it is just sooooo important that Raley, Struck and Rusin get their innings in.  And it isn't like there aren't innings to be had in the Cubs system elsewhere.


Isn't a big part of the new plan to develop you own talent like Raley, Rusin and Struck ?

You already have Baker coming back from Tmmy John atthe major league level and Vizcaino at the minor league level. You are hoping to get a bounce back season from Feldman and Garza is coming back from an injury. You are looking to convert Cabrerra and maybe Bowden to starters. Why bring in another pitcher you are hoping to rehab or have a comeback year when his upside isn't higher than what you already have ?
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:05 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Where do you want him to rehab ? In AAA you have Raley, Rusin, Struck, Cabrerra & Vizcaino and maybe others that need to start.

Yeah it is just sooooo important that Raley, Struck and Rusin get their innings in.  And it isn't like there aren't innings to be had in the Cubs system elsewhere.


Isn't a big part of the new plan to develop you own talent like Raley, Rusin and Struck ?

You already have Baker coming back from Tmmy John atthe major league level and Vizcaino at the minor league level. You are hoping to get a bounce back season from Feldman and Garza is coming back from an injury. You are looking to convert Cabrerra and maybe Bowden to starters. Why bring in another pitcher you are hoping to rehab or have a comeback year when his upside isn't higher than what you already have ?
All depends on the price and what is actually wrong with him. Look at Jurrjens stats again. At his best, he was as good as any pitcher we have. It's been a couple years from his best, but he is young, and if his problem is fixable, he might be worth the investment.

I like Struck, but he likely projects as a #5 or bullpen guy: they didn't even protect him on the 40 man roster. I don't think Struck, Raley or Rusin are projected any higher than #4s. Like I said, assuming Jurrjens's arm is still attached, he is probably worth taking a look at.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:52 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
All depends on the price and what is actually wrong with him. Look at Jurrjens stats again. At his best, he was as good as any pitcher we have. It's been a couple years from his best, but he is young, and if his problem is fixable, he might be worth the investment.

I like Struck, but he likely projects as a #5 or bullpen guy: they didn't even protect him on the 40 man roster. I don't think Struck, Raley or Rusin are projected any higher than #4s. Like I said, assuming Jurrjens's arm is still attached, he is probably worth taking a look at.
If he didn't have a dramatic reduction in velocity and numerous injuries he would have been traded before he was non tendered. Obviously no team was willing to deal for him and if Atlanta is willing to let him go there is a good chance they don't think he is going to regain his previous form. If you want to keep taking flyers then go for it.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:22 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: Where do you want him to rehab ? In AAA you have Raley, Rusin, Struck, Cabrerra & Vizcaino and maybe others that need to start.

Yeah it is just sooooo important that Raley, Struck and Rusin get their innings in.  And it isn't like there aren't innings to be had in the Cubs system elsewhere.


Isn't a big part of the new plan to develop you own talent like Raley, Rusin and Struck ?

You already have Baker coming back from Tmmy John atthe major league level and Vizcaino at the minor league level. You are hoping to get a bounce back season from Feldman and Garza is coming back from an injury. You are looking to convert Cabrerra and maybe Bowden to starters. Why bring in another pitcher you are hoping to rehab or have a comeback year when his upside isn't higher than what you already have ?

You don't think Jurrjens has a higher upside than a guy like Raley?  Really?
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